People saying it "strips women of their identity" & that it makes them "uncomfortable"... A person's identity and worth is not based on their appearance. How about you try having an actual conversation with those women instead of judging or dismissing?
These women are loving mothers. They're students. They're neighbours. They're dancers. They're artists. Some are just as smart and as accomplished as anyone else. Their cultural dress doesn't stop them from achieving anything another woman cannot. If anything, it sounds like you are the ones dehumanizing them.
People saying it "strips women of their identity" & that it makes them "uncomfortable"... A person's identity and worth is not based on their appearance. How about you try having an actual conversation with those women instead of judging or dismissing?
These women are loving mothers. They're students. They're neighbours. They're dancers. They're artists. Some are just as smart and as accomplished as anyone else. Their cultural dress doesn't stop them from achieving anything another woman cannot. If anything, it sounds like you are the ones dehumanizing them.
If you knew anything about fundamentalist Islamic belief you would know none of what you said is true at all for many of these women.. This is a lot more than just some stupid pieces of clothing. The clothing is just one of the many restrictions these women faced and have faced since the 70's and 80's when these Wahabbian laws were enacted .
If you knew anything about fundamentalist Islamic belief you would know none of what you said is true at all for many of these women.. This is a lot more than just some stupid pieces of clothing. The clothing is just one of the many restrictions these women faced and have faced since the 70's and 80's when these Wahabbian laws were enacted .
Lol, "if I knew anything".
I was raised a Muslim.
I've lived in a UAE country growing up.
So take more of those judgements up with somebody else.
My post was referring to women in the west & acknowledged those oppressive laws in other nations.
Yes, it's obviously an issue, for a small percentage of women when compared to the larger spectrum of Muslims, however let's not pretend people are pioneering women's rights in here. They're being hateful & ignorant. A woman's right first and foremost, should be choice. It is not up to you to pass judgements on these choices.
Of course the whites in this thread will play the saviour game, pretending to be devoted to the rights and protection of Muslim womyn while simultaneously slandering their religion and practices because it makes THEM uncomfortable.
The fact that you whites will nitpick over Islam's 'atrocities' in the past, failing to acknowledge that Islam pioneered modern science and mathematics - that, without Islam, the world would be a lot different - is beyond me. (Renaissance writers, philosophers and theologians stole from Islamic literature and theories.) You fail to understand that white Christians literally enslaved, raped, exploited and stole from people around the world for hundreds of years - A LOT longer and more viciously than those damned Mozlimz! And yet, Christian terrorist groups still plague the west, but of course they aren't significant enough, it's solely 'those towel-headed camel riders' who want to destroy humanity.
As much as you'd like to think this is a war against the West - it isn't. White people interfere so much with Middle Eastern topics, thinking their misinformed understandings, and how uncultured they are, are advanced enough to tackle Islam. WRONG. This is a Muslim issue which globally affects more Muslims than any other religion. Whites can't control their hurt feelings then wonder why there is such a magnitude of hostility towards such laws from Muslims. Stripping Muslims of their religious garments, as if the average Muslim is a terrorist, is so dehumanising and intolerant. It baffles me that THIS is the level of terror among white people and what they feel appropriate to accomplish instead of solidarity and respect. The fact that it's even a viable discussion, as if it concerns you all that much.
I say whites and not Christians or non-Muslims in general because it's the whites who feel Muslims owe them an apology, who continuously complain that 'if a woman went to their countries dressed in a bikini she would be stoned' (how ironic that these whites only care about their women and their men failing to understand how different cultures work. Though, to some extent, it regards religion, this is primarily a cultural thing. Stop likening sexual prowess and body confidence to the pinnacle of female advancement and remember that culture differs worldwide. What your white saviour instinct seems 'oh so insufferable and crude' is not the case in different parts of the world - and not just women covering themselves up either. LOL!!!)
The burqa and hijab are not the problem but paranoia and decades of propaganda. For people who pride themselves in NOT being SJWs, you sure are an easily offended bunch.
Also, just an observation, but is there a reason why pretty much every single person with an ignorant and terribly offensive mindset in this thread is a Britney Spears fan?
Ridiculous anti-white vitriol with absolutely no historical basis. Shocking that such blatant racist sentiment has become acceptable.
I was raised a Muslim.
I've lived in a UAE country growing up.
So take more of those judgements up with somebody else.
My post was referring to women in the west & acknowledged those oppressive laws in other nations.
Yes, it's obviously an issue, for a small percentage of women when compared to the larger spectrum of Muslims, however let's not pretend people are pioneering women's rights in here. They're being hateful & ignorant. A woman's right first and foremost, should be choice. It is not up to you to pass judgements on these choices.
Yes, so just because your a Muslim you're well versed in the origins and studies behind fundamentalist Islamic beliefs... which are much a 20th century phenomena. Thats like saying that since my mothers Jewish I should have post collegiate knowledge on jewish studies...
I would not consider millions of women to be a "small percentage". I recently completed thorough research on Iran's particular development of this fundamentalism and it is in no way shape or form granting women ANY choices for that matter. And how am I passing judgement? This area of Switzerland simply passed the law banning them as a security issue which I agree with. People aren't pioneering women's right with it. It just so happens that the banning of these oppressive garments could free women from other restrictive practices as well.
When you say that this dress is a personal choice, and therefore shouldn’t be banned, ask yourself, “If it truly weren’t required, and there was no opprobrium attached to dressing however one wanted, including wearing skirts that show the legs or blouses that show the arms, would all women in countries like Saudi Arabia really continue to dress this way?” I would argue “no,” because the uniformity of dress reflects not a universality of individual choice, but coercion by coreligionists. The minute those women get by themselves in a private home, they take off the burqas and show off their fancy clothing, which supposedly would drive Muslim men to distraction and rape if they ever saw it.
they don't ban hijab tho the main point is not to cover your face because of terrorist threats that makes sense. Muslim women can still wear hijab if they want - and like they should if they live in Western countries
This is kinda where I lean towards. Western countries absolutely do have a right to limit religious freedoms when they pose a security risk.... and not being able to see someone's face is kind of a huge security risk My bigger issue is this should probably have been more widespread and not just limited to Muslim religion, which is admittedly pretty problematic. But do I have a problem with a general ban on covering your face in public so it can't be seen? Nope.
That's not to say I don't understand the logic (it's clearly an anti-Isis move and Isis IS a Muslim group. They won't be running around in scarecrow masks), but I can't say I agree with it. They should have done the general ban
I was raised a Muslim.
I've lived in a UAE country growing up.
So take more of those judgements up with somebody else.
My post was referring to women in the west & acknowledged those oppressive laws in other nations.
Yes, it's obviously an issue, for a small percentage of women when compared to the larger spectrum of Muslims, however let's not pretend people are pioneering women's rights in here. They're being hateful & ignorant. A woman's right first and foremost, should be choice. It is not up to you to pass judgements on these choices.
boomboombee
Why you have that instagram nickname,if u dont wanna get judged LOL
If I take your point this woman knows her family will leave her and she will end up without a husband or even dead,what choice does she has?I know muslim woman from Iran,who dont wear nothing on their heads, they are better dressed than most europeans and they are always with a smile on their face.But they they live in Austria now
People in Belgium still wear them tho.
This summer, I took the tube in Brussels and it was one of the hottest days of the year actually.
An arabic couple entered the tube and they were both wearing 'uniforms' (in lack of a better word, no offense to anyone).
The man was dressed lighter than the woman + he was in white while she was in an all black niqab.
Mind you that this was an extremely hot day and normally I don't even notice or care about these things.
But all I could think was... poor woman in this heat and you could def. see that she wanted to just rip it off.
Then again maybe she wanted to wear it but I did notice it for the first time.
My point is, even if it's banned.
People still wear it, even in the most extreme circumstances...
I understand the banning on Niqqabs for security purposes.
However, why is their such a stigma around the Hijab?
What is the difference between a Nun who covers her hair, dresses modestly, deprives herself of sex & devotes herself to God & her beliefs, and a Muslim woman who dresses modestly & devotes herself to God & her beliefs?
Those that are screaming "oppression!" fail to realise that it is in fact a CHOICE a woman makes and these laws are the oppressing factors, denying them of practicing their culture simply because you don't share their views & values.
Yes, in some nations it is forced - and that I don't necessarily agree with - However, essentially, nobody in the western world can force a woman to do anything she rejects.
The post by "Glamorous" in this thread is spot on.
I don't think I could've said it any better, honestly. I have no issue with someone wearing Hijabs at all. They pose no kind of security risk and it is absolutely the woman's choice. On the other hand, Niqabs/Burkas pose a very large one as you cannot see the women's face at all (and, honestly, you should be able to see a person's face in public )
If you knew anything about fundamentalist Islamic belief you would know none of what you said is true at all for many of these women.. This is a lot more than just some stupid pieces of clothing. The clothing is just one of the many restrictions these women faced and have faced since the 70's and 80's when these Wahabbian laws were enacted .
Burqas exist for ages seriously
around 5 mins
yes the islamic revolutions kinda brought them back but muslim women were always conservative
Yall are totally taking this out of proportion.
I live in Paris and I see women wearing niqabs or sometimes burka here almost every day.
They don't get stopped by the police or get fined in the middle of the street for doing it.
Also i can see both sides of this argument and i am very confliced.
As an atheist a part of me wants religion to get banned all together from this world but yeah obviously cannot happen hhaaha
Also i can see both sides of this argument and i am very confliced.
As an atheist a part of me wants religion to get banned all together from this world but yeah obviously cannot happen hhaaha
I'm religious, and I believe in religious freedom (you can't just ban Islam, for example), but I also think when a religious teaching poses some kind of security or health risk to others, security/health wins. Not being able to see someone's face IS a security risk. Objectively. Therefore it's reasonable to say you can't wear Burqas or Niqabs. You can see someone's face if they wore a Hijab, so banning that would be unreasonable (and they didn't ban it, so)
I also wish the U.S. government would classify refusing to allow a child to receiver proper medical treatment on religious grounds/pray the sickness away as neglect and have social services take the child.
Whats even more disrespectful to their religion is ISIS using the religion as an excuse to commit crimes in the name of God which unfortunately means for the safety of everyone INCLUDING the women themselves that no ones face should be hidden especially at times when terrorism is at high level. Its time to start being selfish when masses of lives can be at risk including yours and mine.
Innocent people are dying and the best thing you think we should do is be selfish.
I respect other peoples religious beliefs (As I would want mine respected)
the main point is not to cover your face because of terrorist threats 
that makes sense. Muslim women can still wear hijab if they want - and like they should if they live in Western countries 
My bigger issue is this should probably have been more widespread and not just limited to Muslim religion, which is admittedly pretty problematic. But do I have a problem with a general ban on covering your face in public so it can't be seen? Nope.
