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Discussion: Is Gaga's impact as big as Britney's in her peak?
Member Since: 6/17/2011
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Originally posted by Mister Martian
Piracy was around in the nineties before most people even had computers. Stawp. People were in the streets bootlegging. 
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Wow.....I hope your joking in comparing the availability of piracy in 2000 compared to 2009.
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Member Since: 5/27/2010
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Originally posted by Mister Martian
You do realize that there is no proof the online file sharing damages the music industry enough for them to build a strong enough case for it to banned in the US, unlike movies, where you are 100x more likely to get fined for illegally downloading because they've proven that it is hurting that industry.
You should research the SOPA law that they are trying to put in place. It has less to do with music than anything else... Why? Because no one can prove that illegal downloading is hurting sales any more than digital singles.
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I guess there must be some other reason why nobody but Adele can sell 3m these days when multiple albums used to go diamond a year. Maybe people just don't like music anymore.
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Member Since: 4/11/2011
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Originally posted by Amaru
Interesting....
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Because Britney wasn't loved and well-known before this.
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Member Since: 11/12/2011
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Originally posted by Mister Martian
Albums still sell plenty. Look at Adele. Look at Duffy two years ago. Drake sells pretty well. Even Rihanna and Katy go multi-platinum.
Y'all act like everybody was going diamond back then. They weren't. Britney just managed to pull two certifications out in the end. You know the RIAA changed certification standards once... and they haven't found a reason to since? Oop. There goes that argument.
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You're ****ing delusional. They don't sell as much as they used too. 2x Platinum (which only three artists did this year) was NOTHING for major artists. Hell, even 4x Platinum was a walk in the park for Mariah, Britney, Michael, Madonna, etc.
But the only person to do this in recent history is Adele and she's the one shititng on our faves.
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Member Since: 6/9/2011
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Originally posted by mariska
Not by a substantial margin. If Gaga is smart she can easily become the next major pop icon and dethrone Britney.
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She can't "dethrone" Britney, Britney has already made a massive impact that simply can't be denied. She's eternally embedded in pop culture and pop music.
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Member Since: 12/22/2009
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Originally posted by mikeking
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Gaga is definitely the biggest thing since her though
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Exactly, monsters should be proud of this! Britney influenced gaga! Plus their generational gap isn't even as big as some of you are making it seem.
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Member Since: 3/30/2011
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Originally posted by mariska
Graph the gradual decline of album sales yourself, sis! Numbers don't lie. |
Hmm, let some random nobody from online give me their knowledge on this subject, or people who went to college for years in order to be able to fully discuss the money's trend in different industries. 
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Member Since: 7/9/2010
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Originally posted by mariska
If Gaga is smart she can easily become the next major pop icon and dethrone Britney.
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Gaga WAS on the tram to becoming her heir, but she derailed.
Like Nicole said, once you shatter the image you held it's hard to restore it.
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Member Since: 6/20/2011
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Impact goes beyond sales people. Dolly Parton changed country music for females and has like only one multiplatinum album. The same with a lot of iconic rock bands
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Member Since: 3/13/2011
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Originally posted by MusicTalker
To be fair, if sales were like they were in 2000-2002 right now, Adele would be at almost 50 million WW & 15-18 million in the US alone, which would have been phenomenal even then & I believe it would've outsold all of Britney's albums individual sales easily, just like Adele is eclipsing TF's sales.
In summary : Adele is unstoppable & outselling everyone everywhere in any way.
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I think these theories are cute because you can't take things out of context in this way. If Adele released 21 in 1999 or 2002 there is no way possible to know it would have seen similar success as what they received in 2011, same with Gaga's The Fame. But I realize this is often used as a conciliatory point by fans who released material in weaker sales climates.
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Member Since: 11/4/2011
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Uh oh. I think it's time to like close this thread.
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Member Since: 11/12/2011
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Originally posted by i spit on haters
She can't "dethrone" Britney, Britney has already made a massive impact that simply can't be denied. She's eternally embedded in pop culture and pop music.
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I meant in terms of impact on pop culture.
I think that within time if Gaga is smart her impact can be bigger. Like she'll move Britney to third place and Gaga will get second place. 
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Member Since: 12/22/2009
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Originally posted by mariska
Not by a substantial margin. If Gaga is smart she can easily become the next major pop icon and dethrone Britney.
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False. Not because gaga cant be bigger. But because gaga has already made her initial impact. This statement is simply false.
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Member Since: 9/4/2011
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maybe
after all Gaga is now a cultural icon
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Member Since: 3/30/2011
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Originally posted by mariska
You're ****ing delusional. They don't sell as much as they used too. 2x Platinum (which only three artists did this year) was NOTHING for major artists. Hell, even 4x Platinum was a walk in the park for Mariah, Britney, Michael, Madonna, etc.
But the only person to do this in recent history is Adele and she's the one shititng on our faves.
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Yeah, but really, we don't have any powerhouse artists like we used to. Rihanna, Katy, Ke$ha and others are more like the Jessica Simpsons and Mandy Moores of our time.
There are still plenty of artists out there who sell well, especially in the country industry, who have become just a victimized by piracy.
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Member Since: 11/12/2011
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Originally posted by Monroe
I think these theories are cute because you can't take things out of context in this way. If Adele released 21 in 1999 or 2002 there is no way possible to know it would have seen similar success as what they received in 2011, same with Gaga's The Fame. But I realize this is often used as a conciliatory point by fans who released material in weaker sales climates.
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Are you..?
The market was bigger and more prosperous back then. If The Fame was released in a market similar to that it woulda outsold anything Britney has ever done.
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Member Since: 5/25/2010
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Flawless thread by Chickenchiki.
And of course Gaga hasn't made as big an impact as Britney Spears.
...Vin
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Member Since: 5/27/2010
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Originally posted by Monroe
This still means Adele is out pacing Gaga though. The only artist that out paced Britney during the late 90's/early 00's was the Backstreet Boys and they had a three year head start in terms of album sales. What does it say that Adele who has sold nearly 20 million albums this last year has out sold Gaga in the "best selling album since 2002?" I'm not trying to troll I think it's a valid question this is why I question her impact. Gaga was a digital seller who got big enough to transition to an album seller because she finally caught on with a video clip (Bad Romance), while Adele seems to have stolen her thunder very quickly after Gaga was crowned. Britney never had that happen so early in her career.
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Uhuh. It says that Adele is an aberration in a totally different lane from Gaga, Britney, or even Madonna. 21's performance transcends them all.
Britney never had the best selling album in any respective year. BTW will have the same yearly rank worldwide as Oops did (#3).
Don't be dense. Adele defying the industry is not singularly reflective commentary on Gaga's sales achievements as a pop star.
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Member Since: 8/10/2010
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Originally posted by Mister Martian
You do realize that there is no proof the online file sharing damages the music industry enough for them to build a strong enough case for it to banned in the US, unlike movies, where you are 100x more likely to get fined for illegally downloading because they've proven that it is hurting that industry.
You should research the SOPA law that they are trying to put in place. It has less to do with music than anything else... Why? Because no one can prove that illegal downloading is hurting sales any more than digital singles.
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Originally posted by RIAA
Q: What is the scope of the problem?
Music theft is a real, ongoing and evolving challenge. Both the volume of music acquired illegally and the resulting drop in revenues are staggering. Digital sales, while on the rise, are not making up the difference.
Consider these staggering statistics:
-In the decade since peer-to-peer (p2p) file-sharing site Napster emerged in 1999, music sales in the U.S. have dropped 47 percent, from $14.6 billion to $7.7 billion.
-From 2004 through 2009 alone, approximately 30 billion songs were illegally downloaded on file-sharing networks.
-NPD reports that only 37 percent of music acquired by U.S. consumers in 2009 was paid for.
-Frontier Economics recently estimated that U.S. Internet users annually consume between $7 and $20 billion worth of digitally pirated recorded music.
Q: How much money does the music industry lose from piracy?
There are two categories to consider here: losses from street piracy – the manufacture and sale of counterfeit CDs – and losses from online piracy.
One credible analysis by the Institute for Policy Innovation concludes that global music piracy causes $12.5 billion of economic losses every year, 71,060 U.S. jobs lost, a loss of $2.7 billion in workers' earnings, and a loss of $422 million in tax revenues, $291 million in personal income tax and $131 million in lost corporate income and production taxes.
As you can imagine, calculating loses for online piracy is a difficult task. We do know that the pirate marketplace currently far dwarfs the legal marketplace, and when that happens, that means investment in new music is compromised.
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Member Since: 6/20/2011
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Originally posted by mariska
Not by a substantial margin. If Gaga is smart she can easily become the next major pop icon and dethrone Britney.
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Dethrone? Overcome Britney's impact? Mariska honey you are something else. Impact is there, Britney will remain iconic.
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