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Discussion: Is TTT Rihanna's worst album yet?
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Originally posted by Alberto
And that just proves my point. Reviewers are taking in count the quality of the album, not if the album is gonna flop or if the album will be a commercial success. The objective of every reviewer is and should be to point out the album's flaws and solid points, so the general public can see that the album is a 'masterpiece', or just a commercial radio-friendly filled disc. What everyone in the industry has forgotten, is that music is art, and therefore everything that they do is going to have while on an artistic side, a critic, whether it is good or bad. Lady Gaga may have not be as you say relevant in the general public (while this seems contradictory, taking in count that she's the one with most followers on twitter and the second one on facebook, and her album has sold 8 million copies in barely 6 months, adding to it 4 top 10 hits, one being number one and breaking records), but she is truly garnering respect in the industry, in an aspect that she's above this generation artists, and in a way she's breaking rules, cause she's not making the typical music, she's trying to make a statement. Maybe that is why her albums are highly praised, and highly copied.
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Pop music as an art is not what's important for the general public.
They want catchy, melodic & light songs that make them dance or give them the urge to finish their drinks !
Why do you think "California Gurls","Teenage Dream","Last Friday Night", "S&M","Only Girl" & "What's My Name" were so big around the world ?
My statement is not contradictory people used to be brainwashed with Gaga's generic songs but now Rihanna & Katy have taken her place because they (or their producers) know what the general public want.
Her album shifted 8 millions copies but we both she's didn't sell these numbers.
Also, you can't measure the impact & success of a song by its peak. Many songs peak high before falling into oblivion.
I don't see anyone trying to copy BTW. And tbh half of the record sounds just like songs from the past.
It may not be "typical" but it's far from original & progressive.
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I co-sign with the critics all the way on this one, but I don't understand why so many Rihanna stans are bothered by the reviews. She's never been a critical darling (save for Rated R, I know, but that was an exception), and as much as you may enjoy the album, you can't tell me that you honestly think the critics would praise this to the high heavens. Critics rarely give pop albums great reviews, what is so special about this one that things would be different?
If you genuinely like the album, reviews should mean **** to you. I love One of The Boys, and that album has a 47/100 rating on Metacritic. Does it change my love for it? Absolutely not.
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Not Really. Shes never had a bad album.
Good Girl Gone Bad Is Her Best album
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Member Since: 6/16/2010
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I was SO excited for this album but I find it to be rather hit and miss...it seems to be trying too hard to be edgy, I don't find the songs cohesive and I find some of the cornier songs to be...just no.
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Originally posted by Moonage Daydream
I co-sign with the critics all the way on this one, but I don't understand why so many Rihanna stans are bothered by the reviews. She's never been a critical darling (save for Rated R, I know, but that was an exception), and as much as you may enjoy the album, you can't tell me that you honestly think the critics would praise this to the high heavens. Critics rarely give pop albums great reviews, what is so special about this one that things would be different?
If you genuinely like the album, reviews should mean **** to you. I love One of The Boys, and that album has a 47/100 rating on Metacritic. Does it change my love for it? Absolutely not.
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I didn't (and haven't) really think about what the album deserves to get on Metacritic. I think it deserves better than Loud, but I'm not going to winge and complain if it doesn't. I love the album, others love the album, and it doesn't matter what critics say. I like reading the positive reviews, though. But critics really don't persuade me to buy or not buy an album.
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Member Since: 9/13/2009
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It has a few gems and the rest are average or above. It's above Loud.
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Member Since: 7/18/2010
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Yes.
You da One and Where Have You Been are the only listenable ones.
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Member Since: 5/18/2010
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I don't like "Rated R" but it was more solid than TTT. I mean most of TTT feels like a filler to me, nothing on the album is horrible but it doesn't feel like it has a clear direction like her other records. Only 5 of the songs on that album really stands out to me.
She should have just made it an EP IMO.
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Member Since: 8/21/2011
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Originally posted by Blur
Pop music as an art is not what's important for the general public.
They want catchy, melodic & light songs that make them dance or give them the urge to finish their drinks !
Why do you think "California Gurls","Teenage Dream","Last Friday Night", "S&M","Only Girl" & "What's My Name" were so big around the world ?
My statement is not contradictory people used to be brainwashed with Gaga's generic songs but now Rihanna & Katy have taken her place because they (or their producers) know what the general public want.
Her album shifted 8 millions copies but we both she's didn't sell these numbers.
Also, you can't measure the impact & success of a song by its peak. Many songs peak high before falling into oblivion.
I don't see anyone trying to copy BTW. And tbh half of the record sounds just like songs from the past.
It may not be "typical" but it's far from original & progressive.
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Exactly, but that's the reason why it's getting bad reviews, that's the only thing I'm saying, and you are still contradicting yourself. My argument is that by not achieving a fulfilled aesthetic work she's getting bad reviews, cause they are recognizing that Talk That Talk is, as you said, generic garbage. First of all, The Fame wasn't in its entirety garbage. In fact, The Fame is considered an essay on today's pop culture and how we tend to be fetishized by the celebrity culture. And she's been copied. The Fame was the blueprint of Teenage Dream, and Born This Way sexual nature is the ultimate matrix of Talk That Talk abrassive nature. Born This Way is an anthem, for a whole generation, that you don't want to see it is another issue. And, top 10 hits count as Rihanna's top 10 streak, so why don't count them also? Born This Way isn't typical, and is progressive in the aspect that it pushes this sad moment in the music industry from being a brainless lyrics machine to one full of anthems, political messages, gender-equality protests, religion issues, and true love. And, the word 'original' is not accepted in pop culture. Even Michael Jackson has said to be inspired by others. The concept of originality as a whole is truthfully denied when the artist takes from another, but pop culture is a practice in creativity, something we see Gaga being a total Master. Gaga's reviews are that strong because of that, and I don't even know why you took her here.. This is a Rihanna thread, and we are talking about reviews, and her reviews are bad because of that: senseless and robotic material.
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It's not her worst album but it's not her best either. I can't get into a few of the tracks.
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I wouldn't say it's the worst, but it was a disappointment, I expected to see a different side of Rihanna with this album, but all I got was a album full of sex songs. There are some nice hits on there. But as a whole this album is not her best. It lacks substance. Rihanna is capable of so much more.. TTT was a big disappointment.
I'm not here for a "album full of hits" i want a masterpiece, a story.... smh.
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Originally posted by _Monster_
I wouldn't say it's the worst, but it was a disappointment, I expected to see a different side of Rihanna with this album, but all I got was a album full of sex songs. There are some nice hits on there. But as a whole this album is not her best. It lacks substance. Rihanna is capable of so much more.. TTT was a big disappointment.
I'm not here for a "album full of hits" i want a masterpiece, a story.... smh.
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Member Since: 9/8/2011
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It is better than MOTS and AGLM
You will hate me but I like GGGB, RR and Loud better
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I think 'Loud' was her worst one. Nothing good apart from 'Only Girl', 'What's My Name', 'Man Down' and MAYBE 'Skin'.
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No that title goes to either of her Bob Marley tribute albums.
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Member Since: 4/9/2009
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Originally posted by Alberto
Exactly, but that's the reason why it's getting bad reviews, that's the only thing I'm saying, and you are still contradicting yourself. My argument is that by not achieving a fulfilled aesthetic work she's getting bad reviews, cause they are recognizing that Talk That Talk is, as you said, generic garbage. First of all, The Fame wasn't in its entirety garbage. In fact, The Fame is considered an essay on today's pop culture and how we tend to be fetishized by the celebrity culture. And she's been copied. The Fame was the blueprint of Teenage Dream, and Born This Way sexual nature is the ultimate matrix of Talk That Talk abrassive nature. Born This Way is an anthem, for a whole generation, that you don't want to see it is another issue. And, top 10 hits count as Rihanna's top 10 streak, so why don't count them also? Born This Way isn't typical, and is progressive in the aspect that it pushes this sad moment in the music industry from being a brainless lyrics machine to one full of anthems, political messages, gender-equality protests, religion issues, and true love. And, the word 'original' is not accepted in pop culture. Even Michael Jackson has said to be inspired by others. The concept of originality as a whole is truthfully denied when the artist takes from another, but pop culture is a practice in creativity, something we see Gaga being a total Master. Gaga's reviews are that strong because of that, and I don't even know why you took her here.. This is a Rihanna thread, and we are talking about reviews, and her reviews are bad because of that: senseless and robotic material.
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Wow !!! That's why I never want to be a stan of anyone ! Lmao
First of all, I never said Katy, Britney, Rihanna, or Ke$ha's music was garbage.
It serves a purpose and sometimes is really pleasant to listen to.
You're just too manichean. they're all popstars, at the end of day. You're too blind of a worshipper.
The Fame is not the blueprint for Teenage Dream ! Are you serious ?
It's an album full of hits and heavily produced like L.A.M.B, Loose and The Dutchess were, for example.
Talk That Talk owes nothing to BTW. Uber sexual female pop album have been there since the 90s.
The topics used by GaGa have been done to death and people are not interested by them seeing the GIANT drop in sales & popularity, she has went through this era. What's worse, a good commercial pop album or a failed artistic album ? What's the lesser of the two evils ? Like really if you want "real" heartfelt artistic moment stop listening to pop music.
You brought your idol here as the savior of artistic pop music and I thought you needed a little reality check, that's all. You're entitled to your opinion ofc.
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GGGB is still her best album, then Rated R, then Girl Like Me / Loud and TTT at the same rank
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From the songs I've heard its better than Loud. And Loud was cool.
Critics always get harsher with each album. They seem to think you should grow as an artist and make better music.
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I don't think Rhianna has made an outright bad album. I find her albums to be very consistent with a few songs I like. GGGB probably has the most songs I like.
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Member Since: 8/21/2011
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Originally posted by Blur
Wow !!! That's why I never want to be a stan of anyone ! Lmao
First of all, I never said Katy, Britney, Rihanna, or Ke$ha's music was garbage.
It serves a purpose and sometimes is really pleasant to listen to.
You're just too manichean. they're all popstars, at the end of day. You're too blind of a worshipper.
The Fame is not the blueprint for Teenage Dream ! Are you serious ?
It's an album full of hits and heavily produced like L.A.M.B, Loose and The Dutchess were, for example.
Talk That Talk owes nothing to BTW. Uber sexual female pop album have been there since the 90s.
The topics used by GaGa have been done to death and people are not interested by them seeing the GIANT drop in sales & popularity, she has went through this era. What's worse, a good commercial pop album or a failed artistic album ? What's the lesser of the two evils ? Like really if you want "real" heartfelt artistic moment stop listening to pop music.
You brought your idol here as the savior of artistic pop music and I thought you needed a little reality check, that's all. You're entitled to your opinion ofc.
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Nope, I didn't bring her, it was you trying to behead my opinion. Do I have to quote you, or are you checking it already?
Second of, music IS art. So I prefer it to stay as what it is than to be a brainless wreak havoc machine. Michael Jackson, David Bowie, and a ton of popstars way before have proved pop music can be art while also be commercially successful. That was Andy Warhol's principle.
Thirdly, I can't prove it, so you can either ignore what I'm going to say or take me down, but are you seriously thinking Def Jam and Capitol didn't heard Lady Gaga's tracks? It's like, competition exists in many ways, and when someone is trying THAT hard to squeeze money, they've got to study their biggest enemy, not only copying their tracks, but miming her whole persona. And it would be okay if they used it to make productive material, not a brain harmful one. I didn't mentioned Ke$ha by the way, but I really don't know what to say about her. And their music has a purpose as well, it is party music, but staying ON TOPIC, their music is not as good to have GOOD REVIEWS. Was that what we were talking about?
And lastly, when have you heard a song about LGBT and skin color and identity go #1 on more than 23 countries? When have you heard a track about inmigration that also defies Catholic belief? Have you heard a song from the perspective of Marilyn Monroe affair with John F. Kennedy and the way government control us? She hasn't decreased popularly. Gained 6 milion twitter fans this year, sold 8 million copies in almost 7 months. What more do you want? Let's not pretend USA is the only country in this world ok?
To really finish this, you have forgotten what pop music is, or was, it seems. And Gaga is trying to fix it, but as long as people with such a close mind keep throwing rocks at windows, boundaries will still be pushed, but a very, very, very big amount of energy and passion will be needed. I didn't say Gaga was the ultimate art pop icon Picasso baroque whatever you are thinking. It just seems so ignorant when a person doesn't want to see the Truth.
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