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ATRL: Nicole's Farewell Letter?
Member Since: 6/7/2005
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Originally posted by FameHooker
And I'm tired of her Mother Monster thing. I'm gay and I'm not a ****ing freak that needs to be protected like it is some kind of puppy.
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=-o I KNEW this was gonna happen with some fans.
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Member Since: 11/7/2010
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Originally posted by ToMmY
=-o I KNEW this was gonna happen with some fans.
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It's been happened
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Member Since: 7/13/2010
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Originally posted by FameHooker
Honestly Nicole, I agree with you. I like Born This Way, but sometimes... Idk. Why can't she be a "normal" pop star? She CAN be remembered (because that's what she wants) even if she puts out "commercial" music. If she wanted to, she could be the perfect pop star, because she's the most talented out there. Her voice is perfect for pop. She's dancing, singing live, writing her own songs, etc.
Fernando Garibay is the Executive Producer of Born This Way. Dr. Luke AND Max Martin are the Executive Producers of Femme Fatale and Teenage Dream. What the ****. She could've hired ANYBODY to make this ****ing album and she chose him. I'm often wondering what her music would sound like if it was produced by Stargate, for example. She needed someone with experience.
ALL of the song on Born This Way have weaknesses. Not one could be a big fat hit like BR, PF or JD. We've seen it with Judas, Hair and TEOG; the songs she's releasing are climbing the charts but are falling just as fast. She doesn't understand that you do not need to merge your music style with some other **** to make it work or to be remembered. The world and the music industry evolved a lot but unfortunately she's living the past. Why isn't she forward thinking?
And I'm tired of her Mother Monster thing. I'm gay and I'm not a ****ing freak that needs to be protected like it is some kind of puppy.
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At least youve only wasted 330 posts on Gaga unlike Nicoles however many thousand. If she chose Dr Luke and Max Martin that would basically mean Kesha, Britney, Katy, and Gaga would all have albums out in the last year that were produced by them....Ill stick listening to Bloody Mary and Heavy Metal Lover.
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Member Since: 8/10/2010
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Originally posted by VeroElectronica
this thread is so emotional
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Member Since: 9/25/2001
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I only like to use "Mother Monster" if I'm being extremely sarcastic. I can't at the fans who take that **** seriously.
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Member Since: 3/5/2011
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I guess at the end of the day if Nicole wasn't prepared to allow her musical taste to evolve this was to be expected. If Lady GaGa released another version of 'The Fame', she wouldn't be where she is today. I read Nicole saying that this is the end of Lady GaGa as a pop powerhouse and, to be honest, she couldn't be more wrong. She's just shading GaGa intentionally because the musical direction of the album is not to her taste. To be honest it is just selfishness to expect GaGa to cater to her needs rather than releasing the music she wants to release.
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Member Since: 2/16/2010
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Originally posted by Darren-5-08
I guess at the end of the day if Nicole wasn't prepared to allow her musical taste to evolve this was to be expected. If Lady GaGa released another version of 'The Fame', she wouldn't be where she is today. I read Nicole saying that this is the end of Lady GaGa as a pop powerhouse and, to be honest, she couldn't be more wrong. She's just shading GaGa intentionally because the musical direction of the album is not to her taste. To be honest it is just selfishness to expect GaGa to cater to her needs rather than releasing the music she wants to release.
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We are not here for Fame reboots. Evolution >>>
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Member Since: 9/19/2008
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CHANGE YOURSELF OR STAY BEHIND. BYE
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Member Since: 3/5/2011
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Originally posted by MusicTalker
We are not here for Fame reboots. Evolution >>>
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This is exactly my point. I mean obviously Nicole has been a great stan for GaGa, but surely she didn't expect her to churn out album after album, all of which have songs sounding like Just Dance.
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Member Since: 9/26/2009
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Guys, you're missing the point though. Nicole doesn't dislike musical evolution. She just misses the Gaga that experimented with POP music. She doesn't like the Gaga that forces herself to follow other genres just to seem more credible.
Madonna went through so many fazes and re-inventions, but she always retained her pop sound, appeal and character, whether she fuzed pop with R&B, electronica or whatever. She didn't try to become a "rock star", which is what Gaga is attempting at the moment. Gaga is acting way too serious compared to the "pop music will never be low brow" girl. For instance, Bad Romance is a POP song with a dark theme and you can see that in the sassy music video. On the other hand, Born this Way tries to be an anthem, a rock track and a serious song, which suggests that Gaga is betraying her own roots.
At least that's how I view the whole BTW era and that's why I agree with Nicole. Well, I also dislike the album, which is an unfocused mess for me, but that's another story.
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Member Since: 3/3/2011
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If album no catchy, why I dance like Jesus with hands above head?
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Member Since: 3/18/2011
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I think people also miss the point that GaGa wasn't JUST about pop before she was famous now was she?
She seemed pretty much into Rock to me. I think she used pop music to make it to the top and now that she's the new "it" girl she's doing whatever she wants to do. In fact, I think for the first time we're getting what she really wanted to do in the first place, and TFM was just a transition from the pop music that made her famous and the material that she wanted to make with BTW.
If Nicole doesn't like it, if I don't like it, and if anyone else doesn't like it, we can all get off the ****ing boat.
Nicole may have gotten off the boat. That's ok. She can enjoy "old" GaGa if she wants.
I, on the other hand, will stay on the boat and row away jamming to Born This Way. It's really quite simple.
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Member Since: 4/19/2008
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DIVERSITY. I think that is the keyword and that keyword is synonymous with Lady GaGa.
The diversity she is showing makes me like her the way I never liked her before. I'm pretty sure her next album would sound totally different with BTW.
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Member Since: 12/27/2010
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Originally posted by Ra2
I think people also miss the point that GaGa wasn't JUST about pop before she was famous now was she?
She seemed pretty much into Rock to me. I think she used pop music to make it to the top and now that she's the new "it" girl she's doing whatever she wants to do. In fact, I think for the first time we're getting what she really wanted to do in the first place, and TFM was just a transition from the pop music that made her famous and the material that she wanted to make with BTW.
If Nicole doesn't like it, if I don't like it, and if anyone else doesn't like it, we can all get off the ****ing boat.
Nicole may have gotten off the boat. That's ok. She can enjoy "old" GaGa if she wants.
I, on the other hand, will stay on the boat and row away jamming to Born This Way. It's really quite simple.
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Remember on the HBO special when Gaga said you can't forget where you came from and what brought you here? Whether anyone likes it or not... The Fame, pop, and the huge catchy hooks are what brought her here. She can "evolve" and be a rockstar and this inspiring peace advocate all she wants...but mark my words, it will come at the cost of success that she admittedly deserves. The public will turn its back faster than you can say flop. I hate to say it, but it's true.
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Member Since: 5/10/2011
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Originally posted by L/\DY G/\G/\
At least youve only wasted 330 posts on Gaga unlike Nicoles however many thousand. If she chose Dr Luke and Max Martin that would basically mean Kesha, Britney, Katy, and Gaga would all have albums out in the last year that were produced by them....Ill stick listening to Bloody Mary and Heavy Metal Lover.
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I thought she chose RedOne which means she'll go with J.Lo and Kat DeLuna ?
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Member Since: 7/10/2010
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Yall still taking bout this??
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Member Since: 3/18/2011
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Originally posted by Icing
Remember on the HBO special when Gaga said you can't forget where you came from and what brought you here? Whether anyone likes it or not... The Fame, pop, and the huge catchy hooks are what brought her here. She can "evolve" and be a rockstar and this inspiring peace advocate all she wants...but mark my words, it will come at the cost of success that she admittedly deserves. The public will turn its back faster than you can say flop. I hate to say it, but it's true.
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You bring up a fair point.
Would you say that Judas is one of those tracks that are similar to "The Fame" seeing as people called it "Poker Face 3.0" and "Bad Romance 2.0?"
Not all of her songs on Born This Way are "Rockesque."
Arguably, Born This Way/Marry The Night seem somewhat similar to The Fame pop. MTN less so than BTW.
Plus, she worked with RedOne on a few songs, Hair/Judas in particular, and RedOne tracks have a distinct sound,and I think that's certainly apparent on both of those tracks.
It may not be quite the respect to one's roots that one may want or expect, but I think she gave enough of old GaGa persay. For instance, I think that if RedOne was the musical direction with this record instead of Fernando, I think this would have been a flop era, perhaps one ending her career. So I'm really glad she kept the RedOne work to a minimal.
Either way, she's certainly exploring other venues, no one can blame her for that. It's really early in her career for people to really say too much. Time will tell I think in regards to whether or not she continues to change drastically or return back to her roots a bit more.
(Thanks for bringing that point up by the way, It's an interesting thought I didn't think about originally).
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Member Since: 5/23/2009
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Awww poor Monster. I can't blame her though, BTW is a horrible album (I personally only like, 'Judas', 'Gov't Hooker' and 'Americano').
GAG should be ashamed.
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Member Since: 3/13/2011
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Originally posted by Peep
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Ha! I was literally coming in here to post the exact same gif.
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