I am appalled at the fact that Bernie's campaign has been restored access. This should not be allowed, especially since DWS said very clearly that the investigation into whether Sanders' campaign still has the data is still ongoing. It is wrong, and it is disrespectful to those whose privacy was violated. If I had any clout, I would demand immediately to know whether my information was involved and I would call for the dismissal of all three of the other staffers involved, and that's just at the minimum. I know that Bernie himself might never pull this, but he should have taken immediate responsibility, made immediate reparations, and seriously reconsidered whether the people he employs are representing his ideals properly and in a professional manner.
Anyway, I was 522'd for several hours, so buckle up and prepare yourselves for the reckoning, slw48 style.
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Originally posted by Beatfreak
I'm glad Bernie's campaign is suing the DNC. It should be illegal for the DNC chair to have a work history with a candidate (in this case, Hillary). You guys think they didn't know about the security breach before someone from Bernie's team found it? The DNC are so afraid of Bernie's campaign that smearing him is all they have left. The revolution will not be televised. Bernie for the primary. Bernie for the presidency, written in if need be (although I hope he runs Independent if/when the DNC is successful in the smearing).
They want a coronation, not a democratic voting system.
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Yes, I think it's pretty clear that the DNC had no clue this was happening - and it's also been shown that Sanders' team did NOT report the issue to the DNC, but rather the DNC was notified by the actual system administrators from the third party company that controls the system. It was a very short (~40 minutes) breach and it's not at all unreasonable to believe that the Sanders thefts occurred before the DNC had any indication of a problem at their disposal.
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Personally, I don't feel Bernie would ever condone or encourage his staff to do what they did, however, it's disappointing at how his camp are responding. There is no level of ownership in this matter, just deflection. Apologize, delete the files (if they're still saved), and then try to make amends with hopes of an early lift on the suspension. Had this been an accident as some in there camp were insinuating, I wouldn't have a problem and would give kudos had they self-reported, BUT, they didn't. Some individuals took it upon themselves to take, take, and take some more, saving to their personal accounts on the server.
It's a bit astounding that instead of full accountability being taken, after being blatantly caught, they point the finger to the DNC for a harsh punishment that followed. What other course of action would've been deemed satisfactory to fit the problem? The data was what had been breached, therefore, data access should be suspended to the guilty party. Also, I think the DNC, along with the software company are to be held accountable. Such collapses should not be happening, especially with sensitive voting data such as this.
Yes, the breach shouldn't have happened, BUT no one held a gun to Bernie's staff for 40 minutes, forcing them to steal as much info from their competition as possible. They should've left it alone and reported the problem instead of taking advantage of it.
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Foxay, I always, always love and appreciate your contributions. You understand it completely.
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Originally posted by Beatfreak
Do you have any evidence proving the DNC didn't know about the security breach? You can say I am wrong, and I can say it right back.
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Burden of proof lies with you in saying that the DNC knew, but someone else already addressed that and I already explained why they may not know. Actually, Corsola put it cutely:
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Girl... the burden of proof is on YOU. Judge Judy would not be having it with your ass.
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Judy is fab!
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This is going to backfire on Hilary.
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Literally impossible.
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It's the optics. Hilary should be sticking up for Bernie but not a peep. Not saying anything at all makes it look like they are trying to sabotage Bernie. So.... Yeah this is a gift to Republicans.
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No, it's making it look like they're entirely fine with Bernie's campaign destroying itself from the inside out.
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Originally posted by Sasha.
speaks volumes of their character when bernie stood up for hillary and told people to stfu about the email scandal but she'll most definitely use this to throw in his face ![clap3](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v232/korn0818/67d90ee8.gif)
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Yes, indeed - it shows that Bernie has a weaker constitution and is the one who would actually make such an error as to give an opposing candidate a pass for what is (or in Hillary's case, in contrast with this one, what is perceived to be) a breach of ethics, judgement, and potentially the law. I wouldn't want to support a candidate who's going to give a pass to an opponent, and I hope she doesn't give him any ground whatsoever.
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Ah, I forgot we're supposed to ignore the one time the RNC speaks up for a candidate on the opposite party!
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Yes, considering their primary motive is to inspire the nomination of someone they feel they can beat? They're clearly terrified of Hillary, and they've made that very obvious since before she even announced her candidacy. Meanwhile, you actually have a nickname in your signature comparing her to the man who started World War II and by extension killed almost a hundred million people, so forgive me if I don't take your contributions very seriously.
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I don't care enough to argue about Hillary at this point. Because people need to understand that if Hillary wins, she's going to have to reconcile with all the Bernie Supporters who already dislike her as it is, and this nonsense is only intensifying the hate. I prefer Bernie, but I have accepted I may end up having to vote for Hillary. But keep in mind these Bernie supporters will vote for Trump if Bern doesn't win, I've seen many of them discussing this.
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This is actually a very common misconception, but as I detailed earlier (either in this thread or the main election thread, I forget) it's not at all true. Over 80% of Democrats who support Sanders would be completely fine if Hillary were to win the nomination, and would definitely support her - this figure comes from an actual poll, and an article on it was recently featured on Politico's site. The vast majority of people would not switch to trump or anyone else; the vocal, Tumblr-esque minority who controls the online polls after Debates might, but they're actually such a small proportion of Bernie's base that I don't think anyone is concerned about them.