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Celeb News: Gaga: "Acoustic music isn't better than electronic music"
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Originally posted by LDYGG
Nobody has time for your Sylvia Plath narratives, Monroe.  |
Are you even bothering to read them.  Don't worry they are Monster safe. Laughs. Regardless I am actually having a real conversation with someone about the perception and values of music with a member on this form that is actually delving deeper into this topic than you have with your Monster Apologetics. Go defend Gaga somewhere else. No one is attacking her anymore. You can at-ease.
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Originally posted by Monroe
I get that, even respect it but at the same time I don't believe people will think that regardless of if it takes forever to produce that sound electronically. I'm far more interested in trying to figure out why the prejudice exists rather than simply saying it doesn't and I think what I said is pretty sound in regards to that reasoning.
I believe the production is referenced in that it sounds pleasing to the audience, but I also believe a large part of the reason for those songs success is due to the lyrics and story that is referenced in those songs.
You can't make this statement for 21. It's sold 20+ million records and people have been absorbed with each story each of her songs have put out from Rolling In The Deep to Rumor Has It. People definitely responded to Adele's story telling, inner emotional text and lyrical content. Fun. might be more difficult to justify but the success of WAY was propelled by the relatability to the listener and the genuine spirit that came from the record. It's production isn't that astounding or progressive and it doesn't uphold most of the song in the way other dance records do. There is a focus on the story telling and lyricism that isn't referenced usually in most popular dance songs. Most people would say these songs sound more holistic and are better composed than other popular dance tracks in terms of accessible lyrics and meaning.
I can definitely see this, but again the integrity comes from the production which is sound based which comes from a computer and which is believed to be on some part artificial and computer generated. While the intergrity from other genre's seems to be coming from instrumentation, vocals, lyrics, writings or other things contributed by human expression which is what people are valuing and seeing as true personal expression.
I don't think dance music is any less impressive then acoustic music but I can see why people do think that way considering the main themes that comprise dance music: little lyricism, overabundance of processed sound, spare vocals, no or little story, etc.
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Not a whole epic. How does anyone have the time for this ****?
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In an acoustic or electronic situation, the lyrics should always be the main focus if you ask me. You can save lives with lyrics, electronic beat or acoustic sound. You can have the best beat/chord in the world but if you have crap lyrics, not as many people will care. At least I know I wouldn't.
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Originally posted by Monroe
I get that, even respect it but at the same time I don't believe people will think that regardless of if it takes forever to produce that sound electronically. I'm far more interested in trying to figure out why the prejudice exists rather than simply saying it doesn't and I think what I said is pretty sound in regards to that reasoning.
I believe the production is referenced in that it sounds pleasing to the audience, but I also believe a large part of the reason for those songs success is due to the lyrics and story that is referenced in those songs.
You can't make this statement for 21. It's sold 20+ million records and people have been absorbed with each story each of her songs have put out from Rolling In The Deep to Rumor Has It. People definitely responded to Adele's story telling, inner emotional text and lyrical content. Fun. might be more difficult to justify but the success of WAY was propelled by the relatability to the listener and the genuine spirit that came from the record. It's production isn't that astounding or progressive and it doesn't uphold most of the song in the way other dance records do. There is a focus on the story telling and lyricism that isn't referenced usually in most popular dance songs. Most people would say these songs sound more holistic and are better composed than other popular dance tracks in terms of accessible lyrics and meaning.
I can definitely see this, but again the integrity comes from the production which is sound based which comes from a computer and which is believed to be on some part artificial and computer generated. While the intergrity from other genre's seems to be coming from instrumentation, vocals, lyrics, writings or other things contributed by human expression which is what people are valuing and seeing as true personal expression.
I don't think dance music is any less impressive then acoustic music but I can see why people do think that way considering the main themes that comprise dance music: little lyricism, overabundance of processed sound, spare vocals, no or little story, etc.
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My main argument against the "absorbed by the storytelling" of 21 is that I honestly believe people were, in a sense, completely tricked by the record. I think the album features fantastic lyrics, most prominently in its first 3 singles, but I think the reason it is so successful is based almost entirely in the production of the album. Her debut album, and many others, carry the emotional intensity and relatability of 21, but the difference is that her trio of singles off of 21 were immaculately produced and accessible. As a result of this accessibility, I believe many people found it easy to listen to and subsequently viewed the music as sophisticated in a coffee-house sense, despite the fact that the production is what intrigued them in the first place.
I think skilled productions--carried out in the same electronic studios with similar electronic tricks by talented producers--are the deciding factor in the popular acoustic business, just as much as they are in the electronic dance business, even though people like to believe it's simply the depth of the lyrics or general sophistication.
Someone Like You could be an exception to all of this, but even that would have never been possible without the success of Rolling in the Deep.
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Boy people who don't like her love to put words in her mouth and pretend to know her intentions. All she said is you can make a strong case that electronic music is equal to acoustic and electronic music is much harder to make than what people might think. Not that hard to grasp.
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It amazes me that every day you guys find new ways to fill 15+ pages of Gaga-bashing, all just saying the same things over and over and over again.
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Originally posted by Twai
It amazes me that every day you guys find new ways to fill 15+ pages of Gaga-bashing, all just saying the same things over and over and over again.
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People haven't bashed Gaga in the last 5 pages. What are you talking about? 
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Originally posted by RobynYoBank
I think skilled productions--carried out in the same electronic studios with similar electronic tricks by talented producers--are the deciding factor in the popular acoustic business, just as much as they are in the electronic dance business, even though people like to believe it's simply the depth of the lyrics or general sophistication.
Someone Like You could be an exception to all of this, but even that would have never been possible without the success of Rolling in the Deep.
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I definitely think there has been a focus on the lyricism, that's not to say the production didn't play a part. If the songs were completely cacophonous they wouldn't have been played but her lyrical journey definitely sold the songs with the accompanied, pleasant production in the background. 21 reminds me a lot of Jagged Little Pill in terms of an audience completely reacting to the words, spirit, sound, voice and journey a person underwent and the audience really feeling one with her and wanting to support her. As you said even SLY's success kind of tells this, as it's just a voice with a piano.
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Originally posted by Cap10Planet
I agree that acoustic isn't any better than electronic, but she's sounding like a snob herself. It sounds like she's writing off acoustic pop as "easy" to big up her type of music. One is not better than the other and both take skill. Not everyone can master acoustic pop either.
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Nowhere did she say one is better than the other. You're putting words into her mouth. You said you agree with her; no need to call her a snob just because she dared to state her opinion which you agree with.
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Originally posted by Monroe
People haven't bashed Gaga in the last 5 pages. What are you talking about? |
In the last two pages she's been called cocky and a snob. So.
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Member Since: 3/27/2012
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She said no lies, and I love her more for saying it. She pretty much shut up everyone who constantly drags Pop, Electronic, Dance, or any of the like. People will drag Pop/Electronic any day over Acoustic or Indie sounding music. Just go on Youtube and see how many constantly say any of these artist who make similar music have no talent and they aren't credible musicians or artist.
She's defending her genre without dragging some one else's, I see no wrong here.
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Member Since: 12/29/2010
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Ok... Most of you say everytime: That's Generic !! And you're talking bout Electronic & Electro-pop Music.
So please c'mon... Get real *yawn*
Don't be hypocrites. I respect Gaga's opinion, but i think she's wrong.
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Originally posted by Giacobbe
Yeah I mean of course that's hard and way more precise than just a simple software like GarageBand, but to even attempt to do acoustic, you actually need to know how to play an instrument. You just need to be good with computers and have a keen ear to make electronic music, or really any type of pop music tbh.
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Could you just take a seat already? You are downplaying things . Making electronic music is not easy . First of all producers have an infinite array of sounds from which to choose and mix PROPERLY . Electronic productions are a lot more intricate than acoustics and you need the same level of musical knowledge . If you want proof look into Grimes and her music . That said i think Gaga is right . It's a shame crappy Dj's and producers with their run of the mill dance pop electro songs give electronic music a bad reputation  .
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Originally posted by DripDrip
She said no lies, and I love her more for saying it. She pretty much shut up everyone who constantly drags Pop, Electronic, Dance, or any of the like. People will drag Pop/Electronic any day over Acoustic or Indie sounding music. Just go on Youtube and see how many constantly say any of these artist who make similar music have no talent and they aren't credible musicians or artist.
She's defending her genre without dragging some one else's, I see no wrong here.
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Exactly. All she said was acoustic music isn't inherently better than electronic, not that electronic is better than acoustic.
But of course ATRL will lose their ****ing minds at any opportunity to make her seem snobby.
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Originally posted by Mr.Link
And this is why I hate her.
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You hate her and you don't even know her personally. Child, that's quite sad.
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And finally our favs (most of them) sing Electronic-Pop music. Maybe it's not that hard makes it.
and maybe 21 (acoustic) isn't better than BTW (Electro-pop) but has sold more... #TeamAcoustic
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Originally posted by MrPeanut
I don't think it's disrespectful to attack the stereotype that if you do electro-pop you're inherently less talented than/inferior to someone who primarily utilizes acoustic instrumentation.
This is really an attack on that whole "real music" idea wherein silly people try to tell us that anything that involves a computer is of an inferior grade.
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I'm not going to read this entire thread but I hope people understand that this is what she meant. Judging by the page number, probably not, but...
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Member Since: 7/22/2010
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Originally posted by Sye
I'm not going to read this entire thread but I hope people understand that this is what she meant. Judging by the page number, probably not, but...
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Of course people didn't understand it. She's pressed at Adele's success, she's cocky, she's a snob, she thinks she's too good for the kind of music America wants, etc. and you're delusional if you defend her.
Basically, it's any other day on ATRL.
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