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Discussion: UK may join European Economic Area | EU Referendum
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Theresa May thought she was slick going off into oblivion. But there's rumours that she's going to get demoted if Remain win because she's been so quiet in the campaign
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Almost the entire world, from business leaders to financiers and on to country leaders. Experts in every field, politicians from a cross the board, the vast majority of MPs, prime ministers from both parties. Even the church of England. All of these say stay. All of these say it would be a monumentally bad idea to leave. Yet outers are wilfully ignoring all of these people, ignoring all of the evidence, ignoring the volatile markets and even ignoring the sky fairies representatives on earth.
The monumental arrogance of brexiters is insane.
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Some random poster over at The Telegraph.
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If leaving was going to be that much of a disaster, we wouldn't have been given a referendum in the first place.
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Originally posted by geo
Theresa May thought she was slick going off into oblivion. But there's rumours that she's going to get demoted if Remain win because she's been so quiet in the campaign
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That would be heinous af. She's great in her post.
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Originally posted by geo
Theresa May thought she was slick going off into oblivion. But there's rumours that she's going to get demoted if Remain win because she's been so quiet in the campaign
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She's second favourite to be the next leader. I just read an article saying her being quiet through this process may help her because people are sick of all the other loud mouths. Plus she has done well as Home Secretary, I don't know why Cameron would demote her and trigger her fury.
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Is it confirmed that Cameron will resign if leave wins?
Tbh if leave wins we need King Nigel in power
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Originally posted by geo
If leaving was going to be that much of a disaster, we wouldn't have been given a referendum in the first place.
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Do you not know how politics work? David Cameron (dumbass) promised a referendum to win votes and democracy allows for it.
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Originally posted by geo
If leaving was going to be that much of a disaster, we wouldn't have been given a referendum in the first place.
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Ever since the Maastricht Treaty of 1992, which created the modern EU, there have been those calling for another vote to take into account how things have has changed, with Eurosceptics claiming that membership now represents an unacceptable transfer of powers from our Parliament to Brussels. It has been a running sore for the Conservative Party in particular, with many MPs and much of the membership never fully reconciled to our membership.
But a long period of economic growth (until the financial crash of 2008) under two pro-EU Labour Prime Ministers, Tony Blair and Gordon Brown, gave credence to the idea that being in the EU and its Single Market was good for Britain’s prosperity, and the issue was placed on the backburner for nearly 20 years.
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http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7042791.html (mixed, neutral publication)
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If Leave did win, which I highly doubt, it could **** up our future, if we wanted to travel around the EU freely or live in the EU, it's going to be that much harder to be able to work and live in countries such as France, Spain and Italy etc. What will happen to roaming charges?
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Originally posted by Qwerty1234
Do you not know how politics work? David Cameron (dumbass) promised a referendum to win votes and democracy allows for it.
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I'm just saying, leaving wouldn't be catastrophic. We'd take a short-term economic hit, I think that's guaranteed due to the uncertainty, but for a lot of people it's a worthy trade-off for regaining sovereignty and democracy.
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Member Since: 8/16/2010
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Originally posted by geo
If leaving was going to be that much of a disaster, we wouldn't have been given a referendum in the first place.
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Propaganda in the media keeps trying to get y'all to stay for their own benefits.
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Originally posted by Saintlor
Is it confirmed that Cameron will resign if leave wins?
Tbh if leave wins we need King Nigel in power
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He will basically have to. For him to be fighting against such a big issue, and for him to lose, it would diminish him almost completely.
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Originally posted by kennylovesRihanna
Propaganda in the media keeps trying to get y'all to stay for their own benefits.
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The media is split tho
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Originally posted by geo
I'm just saying, leaving wouldn't be catastrophic. We'd take a short-term economic hit, I think that's guaranteed due to the uncertainty, but for a lot of people it's a worthy trade-off for regaining sovereignty and democracy.
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But just imagine all the American immigrants you'll get if you all do a point based system which is expected if you all leave as opposed to being forced to just accept lazy EU members who simply want y'all benefits. Now new immigrants will have to contribute to the country to stay
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Originally posted by geo
I'm just saying, leaving wouldn't be catastrophic. We'd take a short-term economic hit, I think that's guaranteed due to the uncertainty, but for a lot of people it's a worthy trade-off for regaining sovereignty and democracy.
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You ahve democracy, **** UK even has veto powers in the EU!
And no Western country on earth has total sovereignty. If UK wants to be completely independent, then I'm going to need the country to get out of NATO, the United Nations, the WTO, etc!
Only UK is looking for independence when countries all over Asia and Africa are realizing that in order to compete, a single internal market is necessary.
Short term economic hit my ass. What are you going to replace the single matter with? Who will even want to enter any (trade) agreement with Britain after this?
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Originally posted by Buyonce1814
The media is split tho
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Here in the US the media is pro stay claiming "it would kill the world stock markets" and all the uk press I've read have said it'll ruin y'all... Same thing with EU publications
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Originally posted by kennylovesRihanna
But just imagine all the American immigrants you'll get if you all do a point based system which is expected if you all leave as opposed to being forced to just accept lazy EU members who simply want y'all benefits. Now new immigrants will have to contribute to the country to stay
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Exactly.
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Originally posted by Qwerty1234
You ahve democracy, **** UK even has veto powers in the EU!
And no Western country on earth has total sovereignty. If UK wants to be completely indepedent, then I'm going to need the country to get out of NATO, the United Nations, the WTO, etc!
Only UK is looking for independence when countries all over Asia and African are realizing that in order to compete, a single internal market is necessary.
Short term economic hit my ass. What are you going to replace the single matter with? Who will even want to enter any (trade) agreement with Britain after this?
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Clearly you have no idea what the EU has done to our working classes.
The EU will be perfectly happy to have a trade deal with the UK. We're one of their biggest trading partners. You think they're going to let themselves go into recession just because we left their political union?
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Net migration to the UK stood at 333,000 in 2015. 630,000 people moved to the country in that year, and 297,000 left, according to the Office for National Statistics, giving us the oft-quoted net migration figure of 333,000. Of those who immigrated to the UK, there were slightly more non-EU citizens than EU citizens.
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So what does closing the borders and regulating the EU migrants do?
There's still MORE non-EU, the people we supposedly can "control"
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Originally posted by J a y
So what does closing the borders and regulating the EU migrants do? There's still MORE non-EU, the people we can "control"
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188,000 from > 6 billion is a lot different to 184,000 from 500 million.
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Originally posted by kennylovesRihanna
Here in the US the media is pro stay claiming "it would kill the world stock markets" and all the uk press I've read have said it'll ruin y'all... Same thing with EU publications
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Headlines today in the UK, where it matters - a handful are saying vote remain and a handful are saying vote leave. There's propaganda on both sides.
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