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Originally posted by h.u.r.r.i.c.a.n.e
we reserve "Indian" for South Asians.
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Why would you call a Pakistani or Bangladeshi, etc. an "Indian"? 
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Originally posted by Inverted
What's with all the ranting about BLM in a thread about Asians... by the two non-Asian members in this thread? 
You mean by North Americans (and people in Oceania), not westerners in general. The first people to use the word "Asian" were the British and they used it to refer to Indians and other South Asians. They still use the word "Asian" in the UK for South Asians mainly. For an example, Jay Sean is a British Asian singer.
In any case, Americans adopted the word "Asian" for East Asians in the '90s because "Oriental" (which they were called previously) was considered offensive and East Asian-American intellectuals pushed for a stop to the word. I don't care about the offensive part, but the word doesn't make any sense because "Oriental" means eastern, but east of what? Oriental rugs are from Iran, oriental dancing is from Greece, Turkey, etc. It does not refer to East Asians solely. In any case, American media has really pushed the idea that Asian = East Asian or Mongoloid since then. Now Canada, Australia and New Zealand do it too and other American-influenced countries (pretty much all over the world) are following.
As for Filipinos, many Americans (and other people influenced by American media) usually do recognize them as "Asian" easily because they're often Mongoloid enough. It's just some confused people who have embedded in their heads that Asian = Mongoloid when the vast majority of Asians are not racially Mongoloid. |
If you're referring to me, you should first question why a black-sponsored movement is being talked about in an Asian-oriented thread in the first place.
Westerners generally refers to the anglosphere, or in particular the white-dominant and heavily-British areas like Canada, North America, Australia, and so forth.
I'm guessing that "east" is referring to "east [of North America]". Although more than half the world is east to America I guess that's what they came up with for East Asians. I'm also assuming Americans only acknowledge East Asians as "real" Asians because the country has been in contact with them more than other Asian areas.
For Filipinos it's a hit or miss case. Because of the Spanish conquest in the Philippines a lot of its residents are part Spanish, which I guess is why many look and tend to be confused for hispanics. Some can have mongoloid features while others don't.
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Originally posted by kyogul
I have a question: Why aren't South Asians and Southeast Asians (Indians, Pakistanis,Piñoys, etc.) considered Asians by western societies (and I assume other areas as well)? I never understood why people only think people from East Asia are real Asians. People seem to follow by the guideline that if you don't have pale-to-yellow skin AND small eyes you aren't considered Asian
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it honestly depends on how you look. People have a very limited image of what an asian looks like because a lot of people have only been exposed to chinese and korean people. So when they see people from South,West, and sometimes southeast Asia, because they dont look like how we typically imagine the word "asian", nobody thinks of them as asian. Hell, ive had chinese friends refer to indians as brown people and when i said that indians are asian too, they shook there heads back and forth. People form the philippines and Thailand get treated the same way. When a filipino looks like this
they will not seen as an asian because he doesnt look stereotypical but a filipino who looks like this:
will be seen as asian. Im actually guilty of it too. there's three filipino guys in my frat but i thought one of them was indian. I still consider everyone on asia to be asian but i realized because he didnt look like what i was exposed to, he was a different ethnicity. Even my roommate mistakes philipino people for mexicans sometimes. I agree with you that people need to realize that not every asian is going to look chinese/korea/japanese and that asians come in different colors with different physical features.
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To the first point you said, this whole war thing is taking the movement/debate out of context. This is the first I have heard it been calling a war. Also, you don't need two sides to be angry to have an issue. You say the black community is angry and for faulty reasons, which I find highly untrue. What do you consider these faulty reasons?
I would also like to note that the first article you linked has its hidden agendas. I'm sure if more research is done, it won't paint as a clear of a picture as you are trying to make it out to be. Taking a quick peruse around that website, I think its almost certain that is a pretty conservative POV. Anyways there are studies to indicate the mistreatment Black and Hispanic individuals are more likely to receive. For instance, there is one showing that people have a hidden bias against black people. Individuals are shown blurred pictures of a gun, and individuals are able to tell more readily what the blurred picture entails when they are shown a picture of a black individual vs a white individual.
Also the second link you posted is another conservative website so it will skew its POV against the BLM movement and minorities in general. The thing about these "statistics" especially the crime rate on race one is that it ignores the fact that many minorities live within close proximity. Furthermore, I love how the article focuses on the minoriy on minority crime rate but yet based off their pie charts, white on white crime is high. Overall, this article is ignoring A LOT of other factors.
I'm not even going to read the rest of your post because its late and I already get the picture. If you actually wanna be more informed on this issue and not be super biased (I'm biased too, we have to watch out for that) then I suggest you vary your sources, also you must question the validity of your sources. So, don't tear down the Black Lives Matter movement as if its not legitimate, because it is.
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Originally posted by Inverted
Why would you call a Pakistani or Bangladeshi, etc. an "Indian"? |
Its just something some people do. Its kind of ingrained in western society that Asian = East Asian looking individuals.
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Originally posted by Inverted
What's with all the ranting about BLM in a thread about Asians... by the two non-Asian members in this thread? |
we were defending the asian community when several atrl members said that the asian community has never stood with the black community and then proceeded to defend chris rock's use of asian stereotypes for humor which IBeMe asked in the thread how we felt about it. We were simply discussing why they were wrong and that asians have been socially active.
Also: thanks for pointing out that I (who literally bumps this thread to keep it from being inactive) and IBeMe (who started the thread) are non asian
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I don't even know who is not Asian in this thread and it doesn't even matter 
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Originally posted by Inverted
What's with all the ranting about BLM in a thread about Asians... by the two non-Asian members in this thread? |
Heyyyyy Asian brothas n sistas! I don't know much about y'all but y'all cute!
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Originally posted by kyogul
BlackLivesMatter is a one sided and narrow-minded race argument; it's often dubbed as a war, but in order to have a war, minimum two sides need to be angry, and only the black community is, and for faulty reasons.
If you look at statistics, such as this you can see that police brutality isn't necessarily biased. Whites on average are more likely to get killed. It's also funny to point out that black people are their own worst enemies; they are more likely to commit a crime against themselves than white people..
I also find a lot of the cases that created BLM to be really...stupid. For example the Ferguson case. He was a thug who robbed a store and attempted to assault a police officer and ended up getting shot. The Zimmerman issue was also stupid; Martin assaulted the man before Zimmernan shot him. Also a fun fact about the Zimmerman issue; the black community likes to claim mixed people as "black" if they're half, or even less than half in proximity of African ancestry. Zimmerman has an great-grandfather from Peru who was African, making him an eighth black. Funny, people would label that coloured twin as black while she's 75% white but won't claim Zimmerman...funny how fickle the black community can be
Although I'm black myself, I wholeheartedly despise the BLM and loathe the inequality. But even before this came about, I noticed severe racial bias; in the case of racism, it's always skewed in a black perspective. None care about racism towards Asians, Semitics, or Hispanics and Latinos. And between you and me, I find blacks on average to be more vitriolic and racist than any other group. I've never had any racist experience with any person, including white people. But I've had several occasions with black people. The black community invokes a hive mind and if you inconvenience one by doing something different, even in the slightest way, you're ostracised.
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I agree with everything you said but im scared of ichinaru so i'll just silently applaud
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Originally posted by Ichinaru19
I don't even know who is not Asian in this thread and it doesn't even matter |
Exactly, one non asian started the thread and the other non asian keeps it active by bumping it and posting new question, 
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This is the first I have heard it been calling a war. Also, you don't need two sides to be angry to have an issue. You say the black community is angry and for faulty reasons, which I find highly untrue. What do you consider these faulty reasons?
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I've heard it be referenced as "[another] race war" several times. And that "issue" without a second component would be one dimensional, or stagnant. For example if I were to make you aware that something you wore greatly disturbed me, but you didn't find an issue with it, then where's the issue? It's a personal problem in all honesty. And also there is nothing "untrue" about an opinion. You can disagree, but for something this subjective you can't disprove it or claim it to be false.
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I would also like to note that the first article you linked has its hidden agendas. I'm sure if more research is done, it won't paint as a clear of a picture as you are trying to make it out to be. Taking a quick peruse around that website, I think its almost certain that is a pretty conservative POV.
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Everything is biased. Do you think you're going to get something totally unbiased from a BLM activist? Writing aside, I linked them for statistics, not the writer's diction and conclusions.
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Anyways there are studies to indicate the mistreatment Black and Hispanic individuals are more likely to receive. For instance, there is one showing that people have a hidden bias against black people. Individuals are shown blurred pictures of a gun, and individuals are able to tell more readily what the blurred picture entails when they are shown a picture of a black individual vs a white individual.
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You're getting off topic. The foundation of BLM started with the several media cases of police brutality against black people, hence why I talked about it. No where did I indicate that minorities aren't mistreated. Black people still get killed, still get profiled, etc. Nothing I said or linked suggested otherwise.
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Also the second link you posted is another conservative website so it will skew its POV against the BLM movement and minorities in general. The thing about these "statistics" especially the crime rate on race one is that it ignores the fact that many minorities live within close proximity. Furthermore, I love how the article focuses on the minoriy on minority crime rate but yet based off their pie charts, white on white crime is high. Overall, this article is ignoring A LOT of other factors.
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Your own incredulity doesn't warrant something to be false. I don't care, nor does the world care if you don't agree with the perspective. I repeat, I posted it for the statistics, not the writer's conclusions. And if you need a brush up on biases, I'll repost what I said earlier.
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Everything is biased. Do you think you're going to get something totally unbiased and factual from a BLM activist? Writing aside, I linked them for statistics, not the writer's diction and conclusions.
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I'm not even going to read the rest of your post because its late and I already get the picture. If you actually wanna be more informed on this issue and not be super biased (I'm biased too, we have to watch out for that) then I suggest you vary your sources, also you must question the validity of your sources. So, don't tear down the Black Lives Matter movement as if its not legitimate, because it is.
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Absolutely NOTHING you said was constructive or countered what I said. I repeat, your own incredulity, which is the biggest bias a person can have, does not warrant something to be false.
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So, don't tear down the Black Lives Matter movement as if its not legitimate, because it is.
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please tell me you're sarcastic because this sounds so much like a tumblr post
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Originally posted by TheLuckyOnes
Exactly, one non asian started the thread and the other non asian keeps it active by bumping it and posting new question, |
I hope it's ok that I am not asian and started the thread  ... I mean Priyanka and I both discussed about it before forming it so I got blessings 
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Originally posted by Inverted
What's with all the ranting about BLM in a thread about Asians... by the two non-Asian members in this thread?
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girl I haven't said anything about Black Lives Matter. you have me mistaken with another member I think 
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Yes everything is biased, I never said it isn't but we have to remain aware of how these biases can lead to rather short sighted thinking (on boths sides. I am not one to say that all cops are bad unlike some BLM protesters). There may be some faults with the BLM movement, but it didn't start for no reason. Also you say you are using those articles for the statistics, but you are framing it the same way the article is so...
Also I agree that my post about the study I said is a bit off topic. My point is however is that in these high profiled cases, I highly doubt the person would have been shot if it was a white person (in replace of the killed black individual). Do you think the same would have happen if the person was white?
Also bye with your last comment, if you are going to throw the "tumblr post" argument to try and belittle me then this conversation can simply stop here 
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Originally posted by IBeMe
I hope it's ok that I am not asian and started the thread ... I mean Priyanka and I both discussed about it before forming it so I got blessings |
No you misunderstood me. i like that you made the thread.  that member was singling us both out for not being asian which doesnt and shouldnt matter because you started the thread, and i probably post the most in the thread therefore that member trying to shade us for not being asian should keep their mouth shut
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Originally posted by Ichinaru19
Yes everything is biased, I never said it isn't but we have to remain aware of how these biases can lead to rather short sighted thinking (on boths sides. I am not one to say that all cops are bad unlike some BLM protesters). There may be some faults with the BLM movement, but it didn't start for no reason. Also you say you are using those articles for the statistics, but you are framing it the same way the article is so...
Also I agree that my post about the study I said is a bit off topic. My point is however is that in these high profiled cases, I highly doubt the person would have been shot if it was a white person (in replace of the killed black individual). Do you think the same would have happen if the person was white?
Also bye with your last comment, if you are going to throw the "tumblr post" argument to try and belittle me then this conversation can simply stop here |
wait, so you're telling me that because you don't like what the statistics conclude to means you're gonig to disregard FACTS?
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Also to continue on this everything is biased topic, its true but like I said its something you still have to watch out for. Just like in other scenarios such as anti-science movements like wanting intelligent design to be taught in the classrooms. People like this pretend its support argument in science class, but their hidden agenda is to promote their religion in the classroom. This is what I am trying to aim at here. If you are going to use statistics that is fine, but the way the statistic is shown is already highly misconstrued.
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BTW
we should agree to disagree
Ichinaru is right, we shouldnt generalize or make harmful statements because the USA sucks and we all eed each other's support
but kyogul is a black man just giving his opinion on BLM, something that directly affects him so his thoughts and opinions matter a lot within the conversation
but in order to not fight lets bring it back to Asia
I do want to hear you guys' answer to IBeMe's question about asian pride. Do asians feel a collective asian pride or is that just something that is relevant in the US where we have things like Latino pride, and Black Pride
EDIT: I MEANT SHOULDNT GENERALIZE....
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East Asians are a mini-minority here  I wish I could live in a country where you can see every race daily  lucky Multicultural northamericans
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Originally posted by kyogul
wait, so you're telling me that because you don't like what the statistics conclude to means you're gonig to disregard FACTS?
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Thats not even what I said. I simply said that just because it is statistics doesn't mean it is supporting what they are saying. I offered an alternative reason on why these statistics are like so and you ignored it. Another thing to note, just because you have "facts" or statistics doesn't mean the way you use it is correct.
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Originally posted by TheLuckyOnes
No you misunderstood me. i like that you made the thread. that member was singling us both out for not being asian which doesnt and shouldnt matter because you started the thread, and i probably post the most in the thread therefore that member trying to shade us for not being asian should keep their mouth shut |
I am so confused but yass drag ha (who was draggin us though? I think I missed the post or I'm just severally confused AF since it's 2AM over here)! 
and thanks for the sweet words and posts! you make this thread fun and active 
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