I wonder sometimes what Avril thinks about her decline. She probably must have noticed that plaque she received for TBDT said 6M albums sold WW while the AL one says 1M records WW...
She said that radio is changing and digital era has some impact on sales. I guess she noticed...
P.S. and i noticed your status «Dijevojka s sela» and still laughing
I mean she's not super smart but no person ever can be stupid enough not to notice the decline. Like she must notice at least that money is not coming like it used to
I really wonder how she feels about this I want to know whether she thinks it's because she's releasing bad music or because her music is too rock for this age
Definitely this - her music is too rock for this age
Like when that random pop station didn't want to play RNR because it wad "too rock".
You are kidding right ?
I need new music from A
I'm really losing her.. Fly was really a non event.. + the song is
The only exciting thing was the Taylor concert...
I hope she will release the song about the Lyme and new album in 2016...
I want her to try something new/experimental so so much.. with the new album....
Okay, so I think that even since the start of her career, she has been managed poorly, there were so many songs off of Let Go and Under My Skin that could've been singles, but they ended up always killing the eras by releasing non-singleworthy songs like Losing Grip, He Wasn't, etc.
Let Go smashes that got away:
-Things I'll Never Say (this one kills me the most tbh)
-Anything But Ordinary
-Mobile (they cancelled the video, only for it to leak 9 years later in 2011)
UMS smashes that got away:
-Daydream (Choosing Don't Tell Me over this masterpiece.... )
-Fall to Pieces
-Who Knows (She even performed it at the Olympics, why not push the song???)
Then we get to The Best Damn Thing, aka the album that started to kill her career. Girlfriend is the biggest offender because, the song itself was a monstrous success, but it completely changed her image and a lot of her original fans abandoned ship. Not only that, her label from that point on pressured her into giving them "Girlfriend 2.0's" when that's not the sound she built such a huge dedicated fan base with. Still, there were tracks on TBDT that could've been singles.
-Keep Holding On would've been an iconic song if it was given the full single treatment, a video, etc. but of course they paid one of her best songs dust because that's what Avril's team does
-Innocence (47 million views on a FANMADE video )
The absolute biggest mistake in her entire career was not making "I Will Be" a single, let alone a DAMN STANDARD ALBUM TRACK. It was a "preorder only" itunes track in the US, and a bonus track in select Asian regions. That is a damn TRAVESTY. It could've been THE wedding song of the 00's. That song is in her Top 5 of her best songs, Max Martin & Dr Luke even freaking wrote it with her and produced it, it's one of their best songs as well, I will never forgive her for paying it complete dust and it was ultimately given to Leona Lewis, who butchered it. Even Katy Perry was saying how before she was famous and working with Dr. Luke, he expressed his frustration on how Avril "didn't like the song" and she even said "Omg this song is so good I cried and begged for it" but it didn't work out.
Then, she took 4 years between an album that kind of killed her career and one that wasn't a strong comeback. I know she had some label troubles because again, they wanted Girlfriend 2.0, and wouldn't release anything until she agreed to it, so I guess that's how "What the Hell" came to fruition. Instead of trying to win her old fans back, she decided to cater to the new generation of teenagers who didn't even know who she was, and so Goodbye Lullaby and its subsequent singles came out and not so shockingly flopped...
Then, she switched labels, which I thought at the time was a good move for her, because I genuinely thought she'd start singing music back in her old style because she was reconnected with LA Reid, the man that discovered her and pretty much made the iconic Avril Lavigne back in 2002
I could not be more wrong
HTNGU and RNR were even worse versions of "What the Hell", Hello Kitty was a tragedy, and I just like to pretend the Avril Lavigne era never happened because it's by far her worst album, but even that album had songs that could've been singles over the ones they chose:
-17
-Give You What You Like (A real single treatment, radio adds and a real music video, not that sh*tty cheap one)
-Hello Heartache
Avril's recently been in the media again which is good, because she didn't really have a lot of media coverage for a while, she's honestly more talked about now than she was back in 2013 during the AL era.... (Thanks Taylor Swift )
I think she needs to go the P!nk/Kelly Clarkson route and try to become an AC staple. When their songs flop, HAC still overplays them because they've managed to become favorites amongst that format. Avril needs to start making music appropriate for her age, and not try to cater to the current crop of teens that like sh*tty music like Selena Gomez, Ariana Grande, Fetty Wap etc.
Thoughts???
The tea you spilled and my edges you just snatched with this powerful post! Wow!
When I said I didn't give a **** and thanked him, I meant Jesse, not Brody. UMS was released after she broke up with Jesse, and it's my favourite album, indeed. GL is my 2nd, but it was released while she was still with Brody, and the majority of it was made before they even started dating
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Originally posted by musicman101
Here's my thoughts on Queen Avril
Okay, so I think that even since the start of her career, she has been managed poorly, there were so many songs off of Let Go and Under My Skin that could've been singles, but they ended up always killing the eras by releasing non-singleworthy songs like Losing Grip, He Wasn't, etc.
Let Go smashes that got away:
-Things I'll Never Say (this one kills me the most tbh)
-Anything But Ordinary
-Mobile (they cancelled the video, only for it to leak 9 years later in 2011)
UMS smashes that got away:
-Daydream (Choosing Don't Tell Me over this masterpiece.... )
-Fall to Pieces
-Who Knows (She even performed it at the Olympics, why not push the song???)
Then we get to The Best Damn Thing, aka the album that started to kill her career. Girlfriend is the biggest offender because, the song itself was a monstrous success, but it completely changed her image and a lot of her original fans abandoned ship. Not only that, her label from that point on pressured her into giving them "Girlfriend 2.0's" when that's not the sound she built such a huge dedicated fan base with. Still, there were tracks on TBDT that could've been singles.
-Keep Holding On would've been an iconic song if it was given the full single treatment, a video, etc. but of course they paid one of her best songs dust because that's what Avril's team does
-Innocence (47 million views on a FANMADE video )
The absolute biggest mistake in her entire career was not making "I Will Be" a single, let alone a DAMN STANDARD ALBUM TRACK. It was a "preorder only" itunes track in the US, and a bonus track in select Asian regions. That is a damn TRAVESTY. It could've been THE wedding song of the 00's. That song is in her Top 5 of her best songs, Max Martin & Dr Luke even freaking wrote it with her and produced it, it's one of their best songs as well, I will never forgive her for paying it complete dust and it was ultimately given to Leona Lewis, who butchered it. Even Katy Perry was saying how before she was famous and working with Dr. Luke, he expressed his frustration on how Avril "didn't like the song" and she even said "Omg this song is so good I cried and begged for it" but it didn't work out.
Then, she took 4 years between an album that kind of killed her career and one that wasn't a strong comeback. I know she had some label troubles because again, they wanted Girlfriend 2.0, and wouldn't release anything until she agreed to it, so I guess that's how "What the Hell" came to fruition. Instead of trying to win her old fans back, she decided to cater to the new generation of teenagers who didn't even know who she was, and so Goodbye Lullaby and its subsequent singles came out and not so shockingly flopped...
Then, she switched labels, which I thought at the time was a good move for her, because I genuinely thought she'd start singing music back in her old style because she was reconnected with LA Reid, the man that discovered her and pretty much made the iconic Avril Lavigne back in 2002
I could not be more wrong
HTNGU and RNR were even worse versions of "What the Hell", Hello Kitty was a tragedy, and I just like to pretend the Avril Lavigne era never happened because it's by far her worst album, but even that album had songs that could've been singles over the ones they chose:
-17
-Give You What You Like (A real single treatment, radio adds and a real music video, not that sh*tty cheap one)
-Hello Heartache
Avril's recently been in the media again which is good, because she didn't really have a lot of media coverage for a while, she's honestly more talked about now than she was back in 2013 during the AL era.... (Thanks Taylor Swift )
I think she needs to go the P!nk/Kelly Clarkson route and try to become an AC staple. When their songs flop, HAC still overplays them because they've managed to become favorites amongst that format. Avril needs to start making music appropriate for her age, and not try to cater to the current crop of teens that like sh*tty music like Selena Gomez, Ariana Grande, Fetty Wap etc.
Thoughts???
I especially agree with the last paragraph, definitely. I'm older than her and I can barely relate to her music
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#2 Wish You Were Here 238.921.642 (+711.000)
#3 What The Hell 236.992.009 (+650.000)
#4 When You're Gone 230.944.243 (+849.000)
#5 Smile 122.650.373 (+448.000)
#6 Here's To Never Growing Up 112.237.897 (+432.000)
#7 Hello Kitty 94.146.532 (+611.000) VEVO certified in early 10 weeks
#8 Hot 93.343.606 (+186.000) VEVO certified in early 35 weeks
#9 Let Me Go 92.580.076 (+477.000) VEVO certified in early 16 weeks
#10 Complicated 90.801.622 (+531.000) VEVO certified in early 17 weeks
#11 My Happy Ending 59.402.551 (+368.000)
#12 I'm With You 59.021.466 (+357.000)
#13 Sk8er Boi 58.882.201 (+350.000)
#14 Rock N Roll 56.306.553 (+278.000)
#15 Nobody's Home 34.152.956 (+192.000)
#16 Girlfriend (remix) 29.451.653 (+15.000)
#17 The Best Damn Thing30.045.114 (+91.000)
#18 Don't Tell Me 24.975.452 (+123.000)
#19 Give You What You Like 20.520.862 (+319.000)
#20 Alice 17.490.721 (+83.000)
#21 Losing Grip 14.402.092 (+95.000)
#22 My Happy Ending (Explicit) 7.001.403 (+18.000)
#23 He Wasn't 6.555.085 (+32.000)
#24 Fly 2.603.704 (+48.000)
#25 Don't Tell Me (clean) 2.006.384
#26 Girlfriend (remix clean version) 1.568.271
Honestly, if you look at some of the past posts here you can see that while Avril's team made their own share of mistakes, a lot of them lie on Avril as well. Like musicman101 said, not releasing I Will Be? That song would 100% be her best selling ballad, if not overall single, of all time by now. How she could not sense that is beyond me. It would have built off the success of Girlfriend and would have pushed the era even further. And I love Hot but even I know it shouldn't have been the third single.
Her four year back-and-forth with RCA was another issue, especially as apparently neither party was smart enough to realize that the longer they took the less chance any type of song released would find success. I don't understand why she struggles so much to understand that you can make radio-friendly music that is still raw, introspective and authentic. You aren't stuck with just the two extremes of What the Hell and Goodbye.
As for her last era, I barely have anything left to say about it anymore because it's been done to death, but I'll say this: I can't believe she left RCA for Epic to release an album like that. She literally shot her own career in the foot, and for no good reason. She hasn't progressed as an artist, commercially or critically, in a good 7/8 years.
Honestly, if you look at some of the past posts here you can see that while Avril's team made their own share of mistakes, a lot of them lie on Avril as well. Like musicman101 said, not releasing I Will Be? That song would 100% be her best selling ballad, if not overall single, of all time by now. How she could not sense that is beyond me. It would have built off the success of Girlfriend and would have pushed the era even further. And I love Hot but even I know it shouldn't have been the third single.
Her four year back-and-forth with RCA was another issue, especially as apparently neither party was smart enough to realize that the longer they took the less chance any type of song released would find success. I don't understand why she struggles so much to understand that you can make radio-friendly music that is still raw, introspective and authentic. You aren't stuck with just the two extremes of What the Hell and Goodbye.
As for her last era, I barely have anything left to say about it anymore because it's been done to death, but I'll say this: I can't believe she left RCA for Epic to release an album like that. She literally shot her own career in the foot, and for no good reason. She hasn't progressed as an artist, commercially or critically, in a good 7/8 years.
This is why it is so hard for me to still stan her... like I totally always will but it just makes me really sad that she has not grown at all since 2007, and in all honesty since 2004..... She was like the poppier Alanis Morisette and I really thought she had a promising career ahead of her, Let Go and Under My Skin are two of the best pop albums of the '00s. I guess it just pains me because she literally became everything she mocked back in her prime, and the older she got past 2004, the more immature her music became..
I mean she's not super smart but no person ever can be stupid enough not to notice the decline. Like she must notice at least that money is not coming like it used to
I really wonder how she feels about this I want to know whether she thinks it's because she's releasing bad music or because her music is too rock for this age
She said in an interview after GL era that 'my every album went Platinum and Goodbye Lullaby is only Gold and I know that. I will change myself and my sound and do hard work and blah blah blah'.
so yes she knows that GL was a Gold Album going Gold in US(RCA could've had certified it based on shipments),Can(it's gold in MC, I also have receipt),Australia,Japan etc.
and I don't think she knows about AL's floppage tho. She doesn't even know she released AL.
Honestly, if you look at some of the past posts here you can see that while Avril's team made their own share of mistakes, a lot of them lie on Avril as well. Like musicman101 said, not releasing I Will Be? That song would 100% be her best selling ballad, if not overall single, of all time by now. How she could not sense that is beyond me. It would have built off the success of Girlfriend and would have pushed the era even further. And I love Hot but even I know it shouldn't have been the third single.
Her four year back-and-forth with RCA was another issue, especially as apparently neither party was smart enough to realize that the longer they took the less chance any type of song released would find success. I don't understand why she struggles so much to understand that you can make radio-friendly music that is still raw, introspective and authentic. You aren't stuck with just the two extremes of What the Hell and Goodbye.
As for her last era, I barely have anything left to say about it anymore because it's been done to death, but I'll say this: I can't believe she left RCA for Epic to release an album like that. She literally shot her own career in the foot, and for no good reason. She hasn't progressed as an artist, commercially or critically, in a good 7/8 years.
I also wonder she left RCA because they didn't want her to release slower stuff and raw songs and then she released Avril Lavigne with singles like RNR, HTNGU and HK. She was saying in every interview that era that my album, um it's All Over The Place and when we were guessing Album names everybody said she should name her album All Over The Place.
Her vocals are amazing, that Bridge and the lyrics are absolutely perfect
If Avril released I Will Be after Girlfriend, it would've been her biggest radio hit and one of the most overplayed songs on HAC ever and would probably end up being her highest selling single in the grand scheme of things. TBDT would've sold like 2 million more copies as well. The fact that she didn't even put it on the album as a standard album track makes me frustratedly confused.
And I remember reading somewhere that Dr. Luke (he wrote and produced it with her and Max Martin) said she didn't like the song and was pissed because he thought it was the best song they had done on the entire thing... I wonder what her disdain towards it was??? Like sometimes her floppage really is her fault, I also remember reading her label wanted to push "Anything But Ordinary" as the single after "I'm With You" and Avril fought them to get "Losing Grip" first instead.. like girl...you need to be able to distinguish hits and album tracks