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News: Shootings/explosion in Paris
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Originally posted by EloiseheartsRiRi
Good, and let no refugees no more, close and reinforce the borders. Drone them, kill them, send them to hell.
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Kill all when most are innocent? Nice.
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Originally posted by KyIe
1. Obviously they haven't explicitly said it. That doesn't mean they don't SUPPORT whats going on. And I wasn't referring to Lebanon and Kenya those countries aren't controlled by leaders whom are anti-west. I don't think you grasp the concept that these leaders are on the side of the supposed terrorists. Iran, Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan, even Saudi Arabia to an extent. They DONT care about their people. Attacks happen over and over because these leaders are concerned only for themselves, their bureaucracies and the elite class.
2. Once again my post was in reference to the recent attacks to days ago not the Kenya one which in April i was on this very site angered by the complete lack of coverage on it.
3. I am not referring to internal media coverage I am referring to external coverage by westerners who can broadcast their footage on a global scale IE CNN, NBC etc. The media connections between the Western countries compared to other is not even comparable. Obviously they have news coverage but if theres not American media presence then the point is moot.
4. Yes I agree to an extent that the West is more concerned when attacks are made on them but that goes for any region. I'm sure if an attack was made on China they'd care but this one... not so much.
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Hun, I live in Kenya, CNN, BBC e.t.c have bases here. The lack of coverage wasn't due to a lack of presence of western media outlets, they simply didn't think it a big issue because it happened in an East African state and not a big country in the West or China even or any other big non-Western state. I'm not so sure about the other countries you mentioned but I still don't believe any non-totalitarian government wouldn't want attention addressed to innocent civilians dying at the hands of cowardly terrorists.
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Originally posted by BabyCantYouSee
Kill all when most are innocent? Nice.
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I am talking about attacks of the I.S owned areas....
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Originally posted by lonnie
Hun, I live in Kenya, CNN, BBC e.t.c have bases here. The lack of coverage wasn't due to a lack of presence of western media outlets, they simply didn't think it a big issue because it happened in an East African state and not a big country in the West or China even or any other big non-Western state. I'm not so sure about the other countries you mentioned but I still don't believe any non-totalitarian government wouldn't want attention addressed to innocent civilians dying at the hands of cowardly terrorists.
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Those countries are basically totalitarian though
Iran and Syria specifically are just hell holes of human rights violations. I agree with your specific point though. The fact that Kylie Jenner got more media coverage than the Kenya attack was terrible. I was advocating in school to people informing them about what had happened there when the event occurred. You're still missing my point. I'm not talking about Kenya I'm referring to these destabilized regions in the Middle East where America media outlets cannot safely set up a base.
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Member Since: 1/3/2014
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Originally posted by Damien M
I thought the Kenyan attack was even worse than the Paris one actually (not that's it's a competition). At least the French have the resources to rebuild.
So ISIS run into a Kenyan college and proceed to massacre 200+ Christian students to 'prove a point'. What do poor african countries have to with Middle East politics to begin with? You act like these attacks are all retaliatory, yet ISIS kills harmless, third worlders with as much gusto as they do in the West.
Like someone said in the thread, they are extremists without a cause.
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These Extremist without a cause conveniently outsmarted the CIA. The CIA's cause is to allegedly protect us yet they're failing to outsmart extremist "without a cause"? That's dumb. France and the US may of been sporadically attacked by Islamic extremist but for you to be that BLIND & say these extremist don't have a cause as if 25 years of Weatern military invasions on their soil isn't their cause of action then idk what to tell you. 4 millions Muslims have been killed and who knows, maybe the Islamist extremist are trying to outnumber the kill count the west has commited onto them.. Food for thought.
People calling me insensative because Im actually passionate about the issue, looking at the big picture instead of just passively saying "pray for Paris" how sad *changes default profile filter* followed by Islamaphobia.
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I don't know why everyone is so afraid to offend muslims. It's not even about muslims, it's about the religion itself. The religion is very violent. No it's not the only violent religion but it's our biggest threat right now obviously looking at these recent events. If you read the Qur'an you'd know that it says to terrorize and kill infidels, don't sugar coat it.
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Religious text and books which condem violence should be banished by the goverment. Also church leaders/religious communities who openly promote violence and use these texts should be arrested.
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Member Since: 6/9/2012
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Originally posted by Iuke
I don't know why everyone is so afraid to offend muslims. It's not even about muslims, it's about the religion itself. The religion is very violent. No it's not the only violent religion but it's our biggest threat right now obviously looking at these recent events. If you read the Qur'an you'd know that it says to terrorize and kill infidels, don't sugar coat it.
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It depends on how you interpretate, you can get reasons to kill for sure but most Muslims don't see it that way fortunately. Although Islam motivates Muslims to expand themselves constantly.
And Western media's always gonna be more concerned about Western countries since people feel it nearer for obvious reasons, and since terrorism attacks are constant in Africa and the Middle East it doesn't shock people the same.
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Originally posted by KyIe
Those countries are basically totalitarian though
Iran and Syria specifically are just hell holes of human rights violations. I agree with your specific point though. The fact that Kylie Jenner got more media coverage than the Kenya attack was terrible. I was advocating in school to people informing them about what had happened there when the event occurred. You're still missing my point. I'm not talking about Kenya I'm referring to these destabilized regions in the Middle East where America media outlets cannot safely set up a base.
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Now stop.
Syria right now is a ruined country, yes. But Syria 5 years ago was beautiful. They had their problems, especially when it comes to oppression of Kurds (notice how Turkey, important ally of US, is doing exactly the same), but the conflict there was artifically made to destabilize the country. Syria was a stable, beautiful and relatively safe country comparable to for example Turkey when it comes to tourism, universities, medical care etc. just a few years ago.
And to paint Iran like a destabilized country is not right. I have visited Iran and its far from truth. Iran has a stable government and the situation there is peaceful, western media have their bases there, and the army and police function normally there. At least now, and I hope that US, Saudi Arabia and Israel, who at various points planned military intervention in Iran will never do it.
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Originally posted by Iuke
I don't know why everyone is so afraid to offend muslims. It's not even about muslims, it's about the religion itself. The religion is very violent. No it's not the only violent religion but it's our biggest threat right now obviously looking at these recent events. If you read the Qur'an you'd know that it says to terrorize and kill infidels, don't sugar coat it.
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You're right. The issue I have is that people want to single out the Muslim religion because they (The Islamic extremist) are the present day threat. As if Christians extremism didn't already plaque the globe.
It's not just the Muslim religion itself, it's all Abrahamic religions. They are all cut from the same cloth and The Jews are profiting the most from it.
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Every time I see footage from the concert venue or the restaurants I get the shivers and realise how insanely dangerous and risky it is to live in a big place in Western Europe nowadays. The mere thought that something like this could happen anywhere at any time scares the thing out of me.
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Originally posted by Bríseis
Now stop.
Syria right now is a ruined country, yes. But Syria 5 years ago was beautiful. They had their problems, especially when it comes to oppression of Kurds (notice how Turkey, important ally of US, is doing exactly the same), but the conflict there was artifically made to destabilize the country. Syria was a stable, beautiful and relatively safe country comparable to for example Turkey when it comes to tourism, universities, medical care etc. just a few years ago.
And to paint Iran like a destabilized country is not right. I have visited Iran and its far from truth. Iran has a stable government and the situation there is peaceful, western media have their bases there, and the army and police function normally there. At least now, and I hope that US, Saudi Arabia and Israel, who at various points planned military intervention in Iran will never do it.
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You're kidding right? So you mean the Arab Spring of 2011 which caused massive upheavals in several countries because their people were tired of living under oppression was un justified? I just had to compete a 12 page research paper on Iran and I'll tell you its nothing but civil. Just because these people have accepted their oppression doesn't make it right. These regions could and should be improved for the betterment of people world wide.
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Just thought that we should all remember that incident of just a few months ago, where that guy on a train in France was going to shoot all the passengers but was stopped by those three unarmed Americans. France is a target for terrorist attacks, some of them get foiled, some of them don't. More attacks in France and elsewhere will be attempted. The Paris attacks were not the first and not the last.
Also I think some people in here are being pretty disingenuous by pretending ISIS are not real Muslims because their interpretation of Islam is not the majority view. Remember there are many interpretations of Islam and they do differ enough to have specific names. You cannot just pretend that only the mainstream or majority flavour of Islam is 'legitimate' or true Islam. That is what bigots do. Let's not forget that Shia are a minority of Muslims. Are they somehow not 'true Muslims'?
Claiming that ISIS are not Muslims because they are a minority amongst Muslims is akin to claiming Orthodox Christians or Baptists are not true Christians because they are outnumbered by Catholics. No member of a minority denomination considers the other denominations more 'devout' or 'true' because other denominations have more believers. ISIS believe that they are true Muslims and they believe that their actions in terms of their version of Sharia Law are justified by Scripture. You can try debating the issue with them, but they don't care in being challenged and will likely just punish you for dissent. Sure majority of Muslims disagree with them, but majority disagree with Shia too. Islam, like Christianity and other religions has different splinters/sects/schools/denominations. The very fact that these differences exist enough to have identifying names acknowledges that different interpretations of religions exist. Claiming one denomination/school is invalid/false/heretical does not make it so. Such claims against different interpetations have long been the source of dissent and conflict.
Lots of people in this thread also make the claim that the US is responsible for the rise of ISIS. Saddam's fall was down to the US but toppling a dictator does not automatically mean a rise in an ISIS-type movement. ISIS only was able to arise as a force because of the divisions between Shia and Sunni in Iraq. The Sunni areas were discontented with the democratically elected Iraqi government because it was Shia-dominated, as they were the majority. This feeling of resentment towards the Baghdad government enabled ISIS to grow as Sunni tribes decided that Sunni groups like ISIS were preferable to the Shia dominated Iraqi government. Without the support of the Sunni tribes in Iraq, ISIS would never have been able to develop into the force it was. ISIS is only a force because of the ongoing struggles between Shia and Sunni Muslims, and those have been going on for hundreds of years before the US was even a nation. Blaming it all on US foreign policy ignores history.
Also let's not forget that the civil war in Syria started as part of the Arab Spring. Syrian children were arrested and tortured by Assad's forces because they wrote anti-Assad graffiti. That kicked off an uprising against the regime of Assad. It is the policy of ISIS to conquer neighbouring people, and take their (non-Muslim) women as slaves, and like to murder homosexuals. That doesn't mean that Assad was not a brutal dicatator who tortured children too.
ISIS's interpretation of Islam is at odds with and abhorred by majority of Muslims, however they have attacted hundreds if not thousands of Muslims from other countries who have travelled to join them. Many more supporters have been denied travel to Syria and arrested, so they clearly have devotees and supporters in many countries. They do have some appeal to some Muslims. Let's not pretend otherwise.
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Originally posted by BGKC
You're right. The issue I have is that people want to single out the Muslim religion because they (The Islamic extremist) are the present day threat. As if Christians extremism didn't already plaque the globe.
It's not just the Muslim religion itself, it's all Abrahamic religions. They are all cut from the same cloth and The Jews are profiting the most from it.
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Lol WHAT. Nice job combating you hatred of Islam-aphobia with your blatant anti-Semitism. Wow people love to blame Jews for everything. Please explain to me how their "profiting" off of this. You're pathetic.
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Originally posted by revel8
Just thought that we should all remember that incident of just a few months ago, where that guy on a train in France was going to shoot all the passengers but was stopped by those three unarmed Americans. France is a target for terrorist attacks, some of them get foiled, some of them don't. More attacks in France and elsewhere will be attempted.
Also I think some people in here are being pretty disingenuous by pretending ISIS are not real Muslims because their interpretation of Islam is not the majority view. Remember there are many interpretations of Islam and they do differ enough to have specific names. You cannot just pretend that only the mainstream or majority flavour of Islam is 'legitimate' or true Islam. That is what bigots do. Let's not forget that Shia are a minority of Muslims. Are they somehow not 'true Muslims'?
Claiming that ISIS are not Muslims because they are a minority amongst Muslims is akin to claiming Orthodox Christians or Baptists are not true Christians because they are outnumbered by Catholics. No member of a minority denomination considers the other denominations more 'devout' or 'true' because other denominations have more believers. ISIS believe that they are true Muslims and they believe that their actions in terms of their version of Sharia Law are justified by Scripture. You can try debating the issue with them, but they don't care in being challenged and will likely just punish you for dissent. Sure majority of Muslims disagree with them, but majority disagree with Shia too. Islam, like Christianity and other religions has different splinters/sects/schools/denominations. The very fact that these differences exist enough to have identifying names acknowledges that different interpretations of religions exist. Claiming one denomination/school is invalid/false/heretical does not make it so. Such claims against different interpetations have long been the source of dissent and conflict.
Lots of people in this thread also make the claim that the US is responsible for the rise of ISIS. Saddam's fall was down to the US but toppling a dictator does not automatically mean a rise in an ISIS-type movement.
ISIS only was able to arise as a force because of the divisions between Shia and Sunni in Iraq. The Sunni areas were discontented with the democratically elected Iraqi government because it was Shia-dominated, as they were the majority. This feeling of resentment towards the Baghdad government enabled ISIS to grow as Sunni tribes decided that Sunni groups like ISIS were preferable to the Shia dominated Iraqi government.
Without the support of the Sunni tribes in Iraq, ISIS would never have been able to develop into the force it was. ISIS is only a force because of the ongoing struggles between Shia and Sunni Muslims, and those have been going on for hundreds of years before the US was even a nation.
Also let's not forget that the civil war in Syria started as part of the Arab Spring. Syrian children were arrested and tortured by Assad's forces because they wrote anti-Assad graffiti. That kicked off an uprising against the regime of Assad. It is the policy of ISIS to conquer neighbouring people, and take their (non-Muslim) women as slaves, and like to murder homosexuals. That doesn't mean that Assad was not a brutal dicatator who tortured children too.
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Just heard that the guy who I went to HS with is still fighting for his life in a hospital in Paris.
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Member Since: 2/26/2012
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Originally posted by Iuke
I don't know why everyone is so afraid to offend muslims. It's not even about muslims, it's about the religion itself. The religion is very violent. No it's not the only violent religion but it's our biggest threat right now obviously looking at these recent events. If you read the Qur'an you'd know that it says to terrorize and kill infidels, don't sugar coat it.
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Sorry but you gotta read Quran without leaving the context. What do you want to ask I will try my best to answer.
Anyway I still think ISIS are not muslims, they're just psychopaths who kill people who don't follow their political agenda. I don't think they stand for sharia since they don't follow sharia itself. There are rules in Islam if you want to have the war, you don't kill children and women is one of the rules.
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Originally posted by RomanNavy
Just heard that the guy who I went to HS with is still fighting for his life in a hospital in Paris.
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I hope he makes it. Stay strong
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