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Tournament: ATRL's Next TOP MEMBER Cycle 10 | The Reunion is LIVE pg.345
Member Since: 8/11/2012
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Domino, sis, you are a mess. Take PRIDE in your #3 ranking. You were one of the top three competitors in this challenge! You're coming off as a little bit conceited. Learn from the judges' commentary, don't try to fight them on it. Am I disappointed in being #6? Of course I am! But you don't see me complaining. I'm just going to take the constructive criticism and hope to do better next challenge. The rankings have been posted, and nothing you can say will change them. Learn from it.
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Pizza Hut, relax. I gave you a 10 and you've always gotten high placement. Calm down and just be happy. Attitude does play a role in this game
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Member Since: 8/16/2012
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Yeah, I passed!!!! 7 makes me happy, because I know that my entry wasn't that great!
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Member Since: 8/20/2011
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Originally posted by CBXC
Domino, sis, you are a mess. Take PRIDE in your #3 ranking. You were one of the top three competitors in this challenge! You're coming off as a little bit conceited. Learn from the judges' commentary, don't try to fight them on it. Am I disappointed in being #6? Of course I am! But you don't see me complaining. I'm just going to take the constructive criticism and hope to do better next challenge. The rankings have been posted, and nothing you can say will change them. Learn from it. |
That's exactly what I tried to avoid.
I really am not conceited I just was confident in my entry.
There is a difference.
And it's not wrong to fight for a good position.
What is this? Are you trying to drag me now, CBXC? 
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Originally posted by Katie
Pizza Hut, relax. I gave you a 10 and you've always gotten high placement. Calm down and just be happy. Attitude does play a role in this game
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I will never forgive you for calling me Pizza Hut.
What's wrong with my attitude tho?
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Member Since: 8/11/2012
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Originally posted by DOMINO
That's exactly what I tried to avoid.
I really am not conceited I just was confident in my entry.
There is a difference.
And it's not wrong to fight for a good position.
What is this? Are you trying to drag me now, CBXC?
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Nahh, I love you, Domino 
I just don't want you to dig yourself into a hole with the judges.
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Member Since: 8/20/2011
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Originally posted by CBXC
Nahh, I love you, Domino
I just don't want you to dig yourself into a hole with the judges. |
Thanks for caring. I won't. I would never go too far.
I really take everything they say into consideration and try to involve their tips in the following challenges. I really do.
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Member Since: 6/15/2007
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Two pages of a supposed Jessie J meltdown? Let me read and possibly have a tyra moment.
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Member Since: 7/15/2012
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ATRL Senior Member
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Oh, I have stuff to say, you best believe I do. Let me get on my computer cause I can't say what I want to via my phone.
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Member Since: 8/11/2012
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Originally posted by Matty
Oh, I have stuff to say, you best believe I do. Let me get on my computer cause I can't say what I want to via my phone.
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King Matty Banks swooping in for a swift clock 
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Member Since: 7/15/2012
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Member Since: 8/20/2011
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Originally posted by Matty
Oh, I have stuff to say, you best believe I do. Let me get on my computer cause I can't say what I want to via my phone.
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Originally posted by CBXC
King Matty Banks swooping in for a swift clock |
I am ready for the stones.
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Member Since: 11/23/2011
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ATRL Senior Member
Member Since: 3/22/2012
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Originally posted by Kitt
I want to apologize to Retro for always dragging him positively. I always point out a flaw but then praise you for it. That is ****ed up. I basically said you were the best at being basic this round. I am sorry and I will try to stop.  |
It's alright! If there's a flaw, I appreciate it being brought up so that I can consider it carefully and how I can change it.
Hopefully this next challenge will be something that I can go all out with! 
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Member Since: 11/23/2011
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And the truth comes out:
DOMINO, I placed you somewhere in the middle for my rankings. I have no idea where and what score cuz I didn't save your comments/scores when I sent it from my phone last night.
This challenge pretty much left everyone on a level playing field, more or less, so I had to come up with a way to differentiate you guys with and that was when I looked to your brandings and how well y'all incorporated them. Some killed it, some failed, but as Kitt said, this is why we have 5 judges. We all weighed different portions of your entries differently but average all of us together, and you get the score that best reflects what sort of effort you put in.
And gyal, 3rd place is nothing to lose your **** over. I bounced all over the place when I was being ranked. I thought I was really clever with one of my entries (The song explanation challenge) and I came in dead last but my track record showed more Top Member potential so I was spared from elimination. As long as you continuously put forth effort, it won't go unnoticed and will help you in the long run.
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Member Since: 8/17/2013
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That was a close one
I'm not going to lie, I thought that I would be in the bottom 2. My entry seemed to be more negative than positive, but I guess my entry was simply in the middle. Next time I'll be sure to focus more on content rather than formatting (same goes for my rankings ). I'll be sure to look through each and every judge's comments to see where I can improve. Clearly, headers are not my thing. I'll leave fancy formatting to the pros. And to Rem and DOM, you should do the comeback series, if you really want this. Just sayin'.
And poor Nicki 
You were someone to look out for throughout the competition. I'm glad you decided to do the comeback series, and I'm excited to see what you bring. As always, good luck to E and Nicki 
Curious to see what the next challenge is. It's time for a comeback. 
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Originally posted by DOMINO
As for the judges,
I read your comments and will absorb everything you had to say. I just don't understand what I did wrong in this challenge. The challenge was to create a quick guide and I did just that.
Even Matty, (I was really happy when you said that my entry was exactly what this challenge was about), said it was perfection, which I know it's not but still.
Was there a misunderstanding on the judges side or am I just too stupid to understand why I am once again ranked as #3?
Please don't take this wrong, no matter who is placed where - it's deserved.
I just feel like I give more and more in every challenge and it's only good enough for #3.
Oh and Kitt, you were wrong when you said I matched the length of the text to the layout.
I did the exact opposite. Every time I realized that I need to write more or less I opened my Photoshop, edited all the pictures again and again until they matched the text.
I think you guys are trying to imply that I'm the layout guy whose content isn't important to him.
That's wrong, though. Very wrong, actually. And it bothers me a lot that you think that way.
Just wanted to add that.  |
Yes, I called your entry perfection, but obviously the other judges are not going to have the same opinions as me. Yes, your entry is what I envisioned as a quick guide, but obviously the other judges are probably not going to think the way I do. This is why we have five judges, sometimes six when we have a guest judge. We all have different opinions, different things we are looking for, and that's why rankings are firstly considered by the average rank. I am not the sole person that determines the ranks, this not a monocracy and the other judges are here for personality and tidbits of information. I may not be the last person to send in my rankings/comments/scores, but my comments always come last and I always take into consideration the other judges rankings/comments/scores before I make the ultimate decision. Just like Tyra on the show, I essentially vote last on the matter and if I'm out voted, I'm out voted.
I honestly do not know why you are being so butt-hurt over being in the top 3! THE TOP 3! You had one of the strongest entries this week, you were placed Top 3 out of 9 people! *see below on the rant of the actual numbers this week*
On your issue with Kitt and her thinking you are mostly layout and less content... If every week, you do things with your layout which we love, we will constantly expect it. If it starts to become the forefront than the content itself, then you will judged on so. Sometimes going all out on a flashy layout is not the best option. That's something you have to ask yourself when doing your entry. "Is my layout overpowering the actual content?"
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Originally posted by Kitt
I can't speak for the other judges, and I honestly feel like I'm at a lone stance here (but this is why there's five of us), but I strongly felt like I wasn't presented much variety to judge in terms of content this challenge. Ya'll put the most generic and vanilla take on "Quick Guide to ATRL" and ran with it. It was too reminiscent of the "Welcome to ATRL" promo challenge last cycle, which had a pretty pinpoint area to work with yet I think this one gave you guys a bit more leeway. It's a quick guide, but I would've rather everyone went more with an organized, yet informal route— a leveled one-on-one approach with this as if they were speaking to the newbies themselves. Most entries basically copied and pasted the descriptions from the sections and Warnings page and put it all into on, with barely anything else to add, but that just leaves me to judge almost solely on formatting. Which isn't exactly fair.
Although I think Matty may have been looking for a guide that could be used as the politically correct poster-child for ATRL, but I think you you need both; a quick guide to give a quick rundown on all the sections in a general and concise description, but you also need that bathroom gossip guide to help that member fit in, learn the ropes, and find their niche. And I think that's what's more important here. Show me the link to the Rules, but instead of posting them verbatim, tell me what to look out for under each category. The Rules & Guidelines don't point out how much explicit content has become pretty much forbidden. The Nickname section has always been a confusion to newbies. Tell me what Lounge/etc and SYG are for, but tell me what not to do to avoid closed redundant threads or run SYG arguments into the ground to avoid getting closed for the 15th time. The creativity was endless tbh in that sense. The Survival Guide to ATRL: The Warning Edition, The Ropes: A How-To for the Ever Shallow World of Stanning You get the picture. |
When I was thinking about a quick guide, I was thinking of something like this.
Something that just had a little bit everything that covered all of what ATRL is without it being too overwhelming.
See I agree with you on that last paragraph. I didn't give anyone a 10/10, Yes Domino I may have said your entry was perfection but you didn't even get a 10/10 for me. I was looking for more tidbits like you mentioned. You hit the nail on the head with the rules and guidelines, I even slightly mentioned that in Domino's comments, that I wanted more of that, what you explained. Humor would have been a big plus (ala Avery and Citrus) because ATRL can be a humorous place. Like I mentioned with Avery. Had he taken the time to make a better entry and put better aspects, while keeping his humor, he would have placed A LOT higher.
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Originally posted by DOMINO
If you guys really placed me that high I wouldn't always end up being #3.
Don't say #3 is high when there are only 8 people left. Top 2 is high.
The only one who placed me really high this challenge was probably Matty judging by his comments.
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Dude, look at the ranking from the judging, the top 4 were extremely close in EVERYTHING!
Retro - 3.4 // 43
Scene - 3.4 // 42
Domino - 3.8 // 40
Rem - 4 // 41
A freaking .6 difference between Retro and Rem with the average judge rank. A freaking .6! That is a VERY slim margin! Also there was only a 4 point difference between Retro and you. A 4 point difference! I mean seriously, a 40/50 is great! The next person in the ranking was Citrus with a 5.2 average judge rank and a 36 score. That is a 1.2 difference between Rem and Citrus and a 4 point difference between Citrus and you. Each of those scores are about doubled when compared to how close the top 4 were of each other!
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Originally posted by Red
There were NINE people left when you finished #3 in this past challenge. Yes, NOW there are eight people, but nine people competed during that challenge.
As for the rest, I only gave three people an 8 or higher this past challenge, and you were one of them. It's not ENTIRELY about the ranking. Compared to the previous challenges in this cycle, I judged this challenge more harshly, based on my ratings. The fact that you were one of three people to get an 8 or higher during this particular challenge IS an accomplishment, even if you don't want to believe that it is.
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Just quoting Red Leon Talley, because I appreciated this.
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Originally posted by Nicki Minaj
I appreciate the critique from the judges. I know I fell off from the first week, and I'm not even quite sure if I know what happened to me.
But, If I'm doing the comeback series thing....
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WORK BITCH!
I am GLAD! You have strong potential and you have a strong chance of coming back!
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Originally posted by Kitt
ffffff Domino, I commented on the length only because I felt the content was bland in comparison to your formatting. I praised your entry up and down matter of fact and I definitely don't think it's even mediocre. But again, all I was trying to convey was that I'd have liked "quick guides" to be a bit more relatable and not text book copied. My word obviously isn't the final one, but I'd bet that it wasn't my score for you that gave you your placement, but rather my score for the two above you. And for crying out loud, I've just taken a look at your run so far and you need to knock it down a notch or two. Sister, you've been in the top three consistently for the past 4 rounds. TOP 3! ONLY FOUR ROUNDS! Everyone else has been fluctuating up and down nonstop. Take a breather.
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First: 3/14
Second: 8/12
Third: 3/10
Fourth: 3/9
Domino, gurl, bitch, yes why are you complaining!?
I know you are wanting that top spot, I mean who doesn't want to have top call out. However, you are doing extremely well! Plus this is only the fourth challenge and there will be about twelve. Calm your **** gurl and enjoy being in the Top 3!
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Originally posted by Katie
Pizza Hut, relax. I gave you a 10 and you've always gotten high placement. Calm down and just be happy. Attitude does play a role in this game
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Originally posted by DOMINO
That's exactly what I tried to avoid.
I really am not conceited I just was confident in my entry.
There is a difference.
And it's not wrong to fight for a good position.
What is this? Are you trying to drag me now, CBXC?
I will never forgive you for calling me Pizza Hut.
What's wrong with my attitude tho?
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There is a difference between confident in your entry and having an attitude about your place.
RIGHT ATTITUDE:
Thank you judges for your comments and giving me an average rank of 3.8 and total score of 40/50. While I may not agree with this ranking, for I think I did a lot better than what you saw, I will work harder with the next entry to hopefully please all of you. I am going to show you all I have more in me and you will love it!
The wrong attitude is what you just did. There is no purpose, no reason to be dragging out, kicking and screaming, about getting a TOP 3 position. Especially when trying to "fight for a good position" when all has been said and done.
Take this confidence you had with this entry, what the judges had said in their comments, your drive to be ranked higher, all into account for your next entry instead of wasting your energy trying to fight a position that cannot be reversed. It's only showing this overly arrogant attitude that will make you look extremely bad in the eyes of the judges during every judging.
Let me lastly share this...
  
During Cycle 2, the one I won, I didn't receive top call out until I was in the top 3. Only ranked #2 in a couple challenges, but most of the time I was ranked in the middle. Hell, I was even in the bottom three or four times. Yet I won, have been a judge since Cycle 3, been a host/judge since Cycle 7, became a moderator, things happened. During the competition, yeah I had some insecurities, I expressed them, but I eventually took those insecurities and flaws and ran with them. Became more confident with who I was and what was being submitted. That and with the aspect of how I contributed to ATRL and my activity back then lead to me being chosen the winner.
The take home message is to not give up and own your entries and who you are. That is what you're doing, but your taking the attitude way too far. You still have to be humble. Rihanna knows how to be cocky, but still knows how to be humble. Find that balance, work your entry's as so, and kick ass!
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Member Since: 3/27/2012
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This meltdown though. Not even Kitt or Drip during the partner challenge last cycle 
Those inspiring words Matty 
DOM, my little Pokemonster, don't give up sis, I never received a top call out in my cycle, I was pretty much steady in the middle all the time at 5th place. Just keep going.
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Member Since: 8/20/2011
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@Matty
Like I said to Kitt, thank you for taking your time. I appreciate it. But I feel really misunderstood. I NEVER expressed a desire of reversing the positions.
Besides that I have NEVER said I was the best in this challenge. In the very first post of mine (after the results were released) I stated: EVERYONE DESERVED THEIR RANKING.
Heck, I didn't even say I wanted that TOP SPOT. I just said Top 2 even before seeing the other entries. As soon as I sent in my entry it was my goal for this week. I only wanted to see if my ranking would improve if I put more time in my entry than I did before.
And that you guys think that I'm arrogant makes me extremely sad because I have nothing to be cocky about. Nothing.
I don't underestimate any of the players and admire their work. I always say how much I like their entries.
Just because I am disappointed with my ranking and asking for explanation it automatically makes me arrogant? Okay then. I'll keep that in mind. I will be a mute during the next results.
Being #3 all the time is of course great. It shows consistency but no growth and that's why I am disappointed. Not only with my ranking but also with myself.
This is by no means a giving up message. I am just asking myself if it is really necessary to put more and more work in my entries when it always gets the same results. 
(I'm using my phone atm. Sorry if there are mistakes.)
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Member Since: 3/27/2012
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@Domino I know exactly how you're feeling, putting so many man hours into this game with formatting and trying to come up with the right words. It gets stressful and you want to pluck your hairs out because you think you're killing it and you wanna shoot for that top call out but then get place 5th or 3rd and it's like okay, why should I put that much effort into it if I'm just going to stay in the same place. I was there last cycle when I kept staying in the same spot at 5th place, and I wanted to quit. Luckily Kitt talked me out of it, and the next challenge I got 2nd place, still not first but I was proud of myself. Then after that all my callous were top 2, and I got to make it to the finale with Kitt , like KITT. Point is don't give up or ever stop doing less then what you give because you're only letting yourself down if you don't put your 150% into it. The judges know what your capable at this time, read their comments and see what you can do to grow from it.
You have to be the very best that no one ever was, to catch them is the real test , to train them is the cause
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