It's bad for the environment, but apparently the whole world should deforest the planet of oxygen-creating plants in order to go on a vegan-diet? Like that's any better.
I think as time goes on more and more vegans will switch over to meat, actually. Seethe hunty.
I don't know if you saw my post before the one you quoted, but I actually am a meat eater myself. However, I can understand where people who see it as wrong are coming from.
I don't know there are so many pages I just picked someone to quote I don't have time to read all this stuff.
I don't see where they are coming from most of them have eaten meat and now that they don't they try to take some moral high ground.
In all fairness if they could design a safe, non-meat, let's say using a soy product just to pick something, that looks, tastes and has the same texture as a steak, I would eat that instead. If I can't tell it's not meat and it's that good I would have no problem.
The question of whether something is "natural" or not has no bearing on it's morality (not least because the word "natural" is incredibly vague). Even if we are "supposed" to eat meat (as though natural selection is some being with a purpose and goal rather than a slow physical process) that's certainly not an argument for it. Nature is not some benevolent force for good, it's simply a description of the way things happen to be. Sure, you may contest this, but I'm sure I don't need to list for you the many dubious moral conclusions one comes to adhering to what nature "intended".
Um, they're not? They're arguing for their ethical theories, on a forum intended for discussion?
It seems to be a trend on ATRL to point out that "everyone has their own opinion" as though this redundant observation is somehow a rebuttal to any stand point. Everyone knows everyone else has different values, morals and opinions, that's not a reason not to argue about them, otherwise what would be the fun in anything?
Did I say my moral stance was derived solely from the fact it's "natural" to eat meat? No, two very separate arguments, get with it.
People don't possess ethical theories, they possess opinions. These people are almost all arguing solely on their opinion of how to treat an animal. About two people in here have actually addressed ethics or some definition of "morals" outside "what I personally already think or was told is right."
i love meat and tbh I don't really care if they were given five-star treatment or put in a cage with 50 more of them, as long as it's safe and delicious I'm happy... Yeah they're cute and cry or whatever but we're the most important species on this planet, it's life
If you did some research you'd know that humans haven't always eaten meat and our bodies are still adapting to eating meat.
Do you really think eating meat is natural to humans when it gives us cancer and other diseases?
If eating meat was natural we wouldn't get sick from eating it.
No actually, if you did some research you would know that the more likely cause of cancer would be the poisons that is added in to our consumables, such as mercury found in fish and vaccination needles, fluoride in our toothpaste and water supply, poisons and insecticides sprayed on crops to prevent plague and disease, and genetically-modified organisms (GMOs), which have been proven to cause massive tumors in lab rats, yet which are found in every supermarket and encapsulates............ *drumroll* VEGETABLES.
If you want to talk about living healthy and avoiding cancers and tumors, then you better be talking about eating organic, not eating vegetables honey. The added preservatives to all the food we buy and eat are killing us, not the food itself.
Maybe once cows, chickens, fish, etc. become closer to becoming extinct.
If humanity stops killing/eating animals, then those animals are going to become overpopulated. Then once that occurs, they'll start eating plants/vegetables/fruit/etc. and literally everyone would die.
It's simple survival of the fittest. Sure, it's morally wrong, but let's not act like some animals don't eat humans lol. Bugs eat our corpses once we die It's a cycle.
It's bad for the environment, but apparently the whole world should deforest the planet of oxygen-creating plants in order to go on a vegan-diet? Like that's any better.
I think as time goes on more and more vegans will switch over to meat, actually. Seethe hunty.
Any you don't think that deforestation makes room for farms and food for the millions of animals living on the farms? Wake up hunty. Meat production takes up more resources than growing vegetables.
I don't know there are so many pages I just picked someone to quote I don't have time to read all this stuff.
I don't see where they are coming from most of them have eaten meat and now that they don't they try to take some moral high ground.
In all fairness if they could design a safe, non-meat, let's say using a soy product just to pick something, that looks, tastes and has the same texture as a steak, I would eat that instead. If I can't tell it's not meat and it's that good I would have no problem.
I hope they perfect a meat substitute. I can't at all these alternative "tastes like the real thing" having a shhh flavor
I have a vegetarian friend who's so vocal about it. I mean, I get that she doesn't eat meat, but it's gotten to the point to which I can't even go somewhere to eat with her because she'll keep making all of these nasty comments and telling me to watch some random documentary. I don't care if you're vegetarian. But stfu and let me eat my meat in peace. Even animals eat each other to survive. The way I see it, it's the chain of life.
It's so ironic that she certainly has no problem rocking her (REAL) leather boots and jacket.
Any you don't think that deforestation makes room for farms and food for the millions of animals living on the farms? Wake up hunty. Meat production takes up more resources than growing vegetables.
But what are you gonna do when overpopulation happens and everything starves to death, besides other carnivores?
I do not understand how this is even a debate. If you argue that meat should be banned, then we should ban vegetables too. Plants are living organisms too and eating them is horrible. NOT! People should not be limited to what they can or cannot eat. Vegetarians and vegans need to stop imposing their diet on others.
I hope they perfect a meat substitute. I can't at all these alternative "tastes like the real thing" having a shhh flavor
I know I don't even like thinking about it. Maybe they will make huge strides in shmeat (synthetic meat) last i heard it was tasting almost exactly like meat but obviously not cost efficient yet. Plus they need to get over the protein deficiencies since lab grow meat does not get to exercise. They can probably do it with small dosages of electric pulses is my guess.
Synthetic Meat if perfected would take up much less land, water and energy to produce.
I do not understand how this is even a debate. If you argue that meat should be banned, then we should ban vegetables too. Plants are living organisms too and eating them is horrible. NOT! People should not be limited to what they can or cannot eat. Vegetarians and vegans need to stop imposing their diet on others.
Let's draw the line at people cannot eat other people unless they have no other choice.
I think eventually, meat will be artificially grown and all we would have to do is ease animals back into the main ecosystem as just throwing them into the wild could have dire consequences.
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I don't know.
But I think artificial type of meat will take over.
I don't think the way we currently raise animals for meat will be sustainable as the population grows.
The population isn't sustainable period. We're on borrowed time essentially. People need to learn to not pop out babies every 9 months.
I'm just curious tho, if it's okay for animals to kill other animals for food, why is it not okay if we do it to eat? In a sense, when we die, our flesh and 'meat' is eaten by insects.
By all means, I support anyone who chooses to be a vegetarian or vegan. But you shouldn't push your views on others.
It's a cycle.
