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Discussion: Is The 4 Era Iconic?
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Originally posted by ABEL
I don't think it's preference.. I think it's delusion. Born This way is an iconic album and will always be remembered years from now. When you think of iconic, you think of everything Gaga did in 2010-211:
The Egg,
The outfits
The gay rights advocacy: "if you don't like gays, go home.. speech"
Everything about Gaga is iconic. Because the WHOLE world talks about her. Born This Way debuted
in 10000 countries. She is a legend at her own right.
That when you look back 50 years from now and you turn on MTV Flashback shows or something..this is the kinds of things they would
show and talk about.
4 on the other hand, i have some views about it but I would just conclude to say that it's not iconic. at least. it maybe a beyonce classic as her stans would proclaim, but not many people even know that Beyonce have an album outside her fanbase, or the people who keep up with her. Beyonce may be a legend in the future, but she will be in the same league as Tina Turner.
Not Madonna, not Michael Jackson, not Elvis, not the Beatles, not the REAL legends. I mean I know Mariah is a legend too, she's the
Queen of RnB, but I'm realistic.
Iconic is TIME defining, not just some songs or performances that will captivate you for the moment.
The MOONWALK in 1984's Apollos is TIME defining, THRILLER is TIME defining, MICHAEL JACKSON IS TIME DEFINING. But Beyonce's career isn't, she hasn't done a single thing that is time defining, or iconic, she is doing it for the number ones. She is not doing it for the music.
You can say Single Ladies is iconic because people make videos about it? Because people are inspired to make dance moves about it? Give me a break. I guess you people have never heard of Macarena.
This generation has nothing but HYPE. Everyone is the next so-so, what happened to being your own artist? What happened to INDIVIDUALISM? This generation say legend way too losely, they hype their idols way too much. This generation is seriously in bad shape.
I don't care if I get reported with this reply, it's worth it. I mean I'm not shading Beyonce, I'm just telling the truth.
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I agree with everything you said EXCEPT for the "hitmaker" part. She is not an artist for the #1's. If she was, wouldn't she be jumping on the "Dance Pop/Dubstep" wagon like most artists today? She also said countless times that she makes her music for her FANS, herself, and for family. Not for the #1 hits and the huge album sales.
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Member Since: 3/10/2011
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Originally posted by ABEL
I understand that you're just trying to defend Beyonce. Look, Beyonce is talented. But she is just a hit maker. A machine. You don't see Beyonce getting mobbed outside. I mean people would know that she's Beyonce, but they won't run for their lives to get a glimpse of her.
Michael Jackson on the other hand has been cursed with his legacy. He couldn't shop for grocery FFS because people would run from a mile away just to see him.
And about Mariah, like I said, she's the Queen of RnB, but you're disregarding the point I made about her. I'm being realistic about my idol.
Sure Beyonce may have a few 'iconic' moments, but I can barely count them in my fingers, and I'm debating still whether they're iconic or just "of the moment kind of thing", just saying.
Lady Gaga on the other hand, TOOK the music industry by storm, and in 3 years she's already broke so many records, and has had SO many iconic moments. The meat dress for instance, hasn't some museum taken this dress and put it up for display? That dress is very iconic because the WHOLE world talked about it. The Egg is iconic because the WHOLE world talked about it.
Even Kanye's VMAs incident with Taylor is very iconic, as much as I hate to say it, because it caused a worldwide frenzy, and it lingered in people's mind even until today! That's the iconic I mean. Things, situations, or matters that LASTS.
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What is this mess?
I find it really hilarious that you want to mention "of the moment kind of things" but then in the very next paragraph talk about Lady Gaga.
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Member Since: 5/24/2011
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Originally posted by Azonbey
Look Hun.
You saying that just gives me all that right to go ahead and say.
Ask everyone about a leotard & hair hump = Beyonce
Blonde Haired Black singer = Beyonce
Uh Oh Uh Oh Uh Oh Oh No No = Beyonce
All The Single Laides = Beyonce
A member from DC = Beyonce
(Not you trying to dis-value France. then giving me some random old video of Mariah)
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To the left, to the left = Beyonce
Fall down a set of stairs, fiercely = Beyonce
*do a twisting motion with your hand repeatedly* = Beyonce, Single Ladies.
*drop a microphone and rub your belly* = Beyonce
To be the best in a girl group and probably have the best solo career prediction = Beyonce, DC.
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The nonsense Abel is spewing out is just too much.
People wouldn't want to catch a glimpse of Beyoncé?
Have you ever seen her tour videos, people fainting at her tours, crying their eyes out and whatnot?
Paparazzi being all around her when she's outside?
Fans going insane when getting to meet her?
I mean, what buffoonery...
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Member Since: 5/24/2011
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That last post of mine was half serious.
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Member Since: 12/7/2011
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Originally posted by ounga-mort
In 10 years from now, Beyoncé will still be there, respected as an artist. because she has real talent. she is not a hit maker, not a label robot. She is not fake.
Sometimes you dont have to force the people to watch you with scandals, freaky dresses, selling your life and missery. Everything for attention.
With Beyoncé (and that's what makes her an icon) it's the talent and the ethic work the spark that catches people's attention.
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Okay, the first part is fair enough.
Are you comparing Beyonce's talents and ethics with MICHAEL JACKSON? Let alone the Moonwalk? The moonwalk, the gloves, the music videos, THRILLER, BAD, DANGEROUS, HISTORY, INVINCIBLE. THAT IS ICONIC. Beyonce is talented, sure, but that's about it. With all the reality shows today, and all the singing shows, everyone is and can be just as talented as Beyonce, even MORE talented than her.
Talent doesn't mean iconic all the time, honey. Iconic is TIME defining, like I said. I agree that talent may have something to do with being iconic, like Leonardo Da Vinci for instance, who is the most famous artist in our history. But the thing is, it's NOT his talents that made him iconic, it's his PAINTINGS that captured everyone's attention.
So to counter your point, it's not WHAT YOU CAN DO, but it's WHAT YOU DO and HOW YOU CAN DO IT.
Just because Beyonce is talented, doesn't make her iconic, it's HOW she carries her talent, and how her music can transcend generations. But sadly, her songs are only ONE dimensional, same formula, same lyrics, same themes, same everything. No universal music.
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Member Since: 3/10/2011
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Originally posted by RichGirlPlanet
What kind of irrelevant to the topic mess is ABEL spouting?
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I mean
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Member Since: 5/24/2011
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Originally posted by ABEL
But sadly, her songs are only ONE dimensional, same formula, same lyrics, same themes, same everything. No universal music.[/B]
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Sis, just stop.
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Originally posted by RichGirlPlanet
To the left, to the left = Beyonce
Fall down a set of stairs, fiercely = Beyonce
*do a twisting motion with your hand repeatedly* = Beyonce, Single Ladies.
*drop a microphone and rub your belly* = Beyonce
To be the best in a girl group and probably have the best solo career prediction = Beyonce, DC.
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BOOM!
Mention that to the average citizen in the US & they will respond,"Beyonce."
I mean...what is ole girl trying to dispute?
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Of course it was iconic. The era when Bey announced her pregnancy.
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Originally posted by ABEL
Beyonce is talented, sure, but that's about it. With all the reality shows today, and all the singing shows, everyone is and can be just as talented as Beyonce, even MORE talented than her.
Talent doesn't mean iconic all the time, honey. Iconic is TIME defining, like I said. I agree that talent may have something to do with being iconic, like Leonardo Da Vinci for instance, who is the most famous artist in our history. But the thing is, it's NOT his talents that made him iconic, it's his PAINTINGS that captured everyone's attention.
So to counter your point, it's not WHAT YOU CAN DO, but it's WHAT YOU DO and HOW YOU CAN DO IT.
Just because Beyonce is talented, doesn't make her iconic, it's HOW she carries her talent, and how her music can transcend generations. But sadly, her songs are only ONE dimensional, same formula, same lyrics, same themes, same everything. No universal music.
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What in the...
1. Name 10 people that are as talented as Beyoncé, can hit top-notch vocals while dancing their ass off giving their absolute most? You can't, Beyoncé is arguably the most talented performer of all-time and there's absolutely no one that comes close. Critics agree.
2. You're contradicting yourself. What in the hell does Leonardo Da Vinci have to do with Beyoncé? I mean, how do you even compare? I cannot compute.
3. No universal music? Yet having sold millions of albums? People clearly don't get enough of Beyoncé's ''monotonous'' and ''tiresome'' music. If Beyoncé was one of those other boring, dull girls she would have never, ever been as popular and famous as she is now. You cannot deny Beyoncé has something others don't, or else, like I said, she would've not been on the throne she is now. So you can continue slamming up nonsense on your keyboard because everything you're saying is utter bull, has not any type of integrity and is basically full of contradictions.
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Member Since: 5/24/2011
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Originally posted by Golden
What in the...
1. Name 10 people that are as talented as Beyoncé, can hit top-notch vocals while dancing their ass off giving their absolute most? You can't, Beyoncé is arguably the most talented performer of all-time and there's absolutely no one that comes close. Critics agree.
2. You're contradicting yourself. What in the hell does Leonardo Da Vinci have to do with Beyoncé? I mean, how do you even compare? I cannot compute.
3. No universal music? Yet having sold millions of albums? People clearly don't get enough of Beyoncé's ''monotonous'' and ''tiresome'' music. If Beyoncé was one of those other boring, dull girls she would have never, ever been as popular and famous as she is now. You cannot deny Beyoncé has something others don't, or else, like I said, she would've not been on the throne she is now. So you can continue slamming up nonsense on your keyboard because everything you're saying is utter bull, has not any type of integrity and it's basically full of contradictions.
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Not with you tipping that good kettle on top of ABEL.
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as of now? not really. but i think it has potential to become more iconic over time. many artists have albums that underperformed and weren't as successful as usual but those albums/eras became iconic over time.
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abel is being ignorant. it's best to not even reply to his nonsense
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Originally posted by Golden
What in the...
1. Name 10 people that are as talented as Beyoncé, can hit top-notch vocals while dancing their ass off giving their absolute most? You can't, Beyoncé is arguably the most talented performer of all-time and there's absolutely no one that comes close. Critics agree.
2. You're contradicting yourself. What in the hell does Leonardo Da Vinci have to do with Beyoncé? I mean, how do you even compare? I cannot compute.
3. No universal music? Yet having sold millions of albums? People clearly don't get enough of Beyoncé's ''monotonous'' and ''tiresome'' music. If Beyoncé was one of those other boring, dull girls she would have never, ever been as popular and famous as she is now. You cannot deny Beyoncé has something others don't, or else, like I said, she would've not been on the throne she is now. So you can continue slamming up nonsense on your keyboard because everything you're saying is utter bull, has not any type of integrity and is basically full of contradictions.
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Thi is exactly what I think. well said. thank you.
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Member Since: 7/9/2010
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Originally posted by ABEL
But sadly, her songs are only ONE dimensional, same formula, same lyrics, same themes, same everything. No universal music.
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Not true. There are many topics that she discusses in her music, such as loving someone, losing spark with someone, having a good time, flaws in her life, women being strong, and others.
She doesn't write about drugs, sex, drinking, shootings, and all of those controversial topics (I'm assuming that's why you called her one noted). That's why so many people love her and inspired by her. She continues to stay faithful, and not completely transform herself to get hits and stay relevant.
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Originally posted by RichGirlPlanet
Not with you tipping that good kettle on top of ABEL.
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I mean sis.
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I can't with the girls here on atrl constantly underrating Bey for no reason.
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