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Celeb News: Jessie J: "Thanks to Britdonna, Gaga, Rihanna, Bey; I exist"
Member Since: 3/21/2010
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Originally posted by Anti.Emotional
I don't see the problem. Britney has never been as huge as Madonna. MC Hammer had albums that have outsold some of Madonna's but who is checking for him?
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there isn't a problem. did it outsell her highest selling one? Even he did it still proves HC hammer was big.
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Member Since: 5/27/2010
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Originally posted by Monroe
Avril, Michelle Branch and P!nk were not releasing the same kind of music Jewel (folk-country) or even Alanis (soft-rock/rock) were releasing during that time period. All the music they sang was pop music with a rock tinge to make their songs seem "edgier" then the other pop music on the radio that time due to Britney's influence. All of their music was catered with a pop edge to make it sell to the same market Britney was being marketed to. They were anti-Britney's because they were a funhouse mirror image of what Britney represented and the music Britney sang. It was basically pop music with an aggressive rock chic glaze.
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Teen pop was already big before Britney, and the bubblegum brand of it started fading by the end of '01 as rock became more popular. It only makes sense that pop-rock would become a thing in response. There are always going to be female singer-songwriter types.
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Originally posted by Monroe
Nelly's career started back in 2001 though and she was an anti-Britney along with Vanessa Carlton, Michelle Branch and other folk-pop artists who were filtered with a pop edge.
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Whoa Nelly! was released in 2000 and she had a single out in 1999. Is there any basis for saying Nelly was signed as a response to Britney other than her music being folk-influenced and different from the bubblegum pop trend (which again, was obviously happening with Britney or without)? This is such specious reasoning.
By your logic Adele owes a debt of her success to Gaga for being the anti-Gaga.
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Member Since: 6/15/2011
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This thread still going and Bey and Gaga stans wanting to downgrade Britney's impact... shocking.
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Member Since: 3/6/2011
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Originally posted by Bdawg
stop trolling boo. I never said that. You need to read. The person said Britney was never as huge as Madonna back in the day. Clearly if BOMT could outsell madonnas highest selling era then she was just as huge as Madonna.
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Actually you did. You need to reread your response to me BOOBOO.
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Member Since: 3/13/2011
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Originally posted by Anti.Emotional
The Britneys stans were the ones screaming about Britney selling more than Prince, Tina, MJ, Madonna etc etc when everyone was talking about their influences over artists. This whole thread is about inspiration and influencing other artists, and in that department Britney hasn't done much, especially on the level of Prince, Tina, MJ, Madonna etc like Britney stans claim.
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I don't really care what people think about which one "influenced more" as some of you are pointlessly arguing. I only care about the fact that you are wrong on Britney not influencing pop culture.
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Member Since: 6/4/2010
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Originally posted by Loghen
This thread still going and Bey and Gaga stans wanting to downgrade Britney's impact... shocking.
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The only people downgrading Britney are her own stans by trying to use her album sales as an example of her influencing and inspiring other artists.
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Member Since: 3/21/2010
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Originally posted by the floacist
YOU MEAN JUST LIKE BRITNEY? Britney wanted to do an contemporary music as well, but because of Backstreet and The Spice Girls they turned her music into the bubblegum pp direction. Isn't this one of the often cited reasons you guys discuss Jive not having Britney use her "real" voice?
P!nk was no where near pop, she was making R&B music. Come on now
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your twisting the story. Britney had said she THOUGHT they were gonna make her a AC artist but when she found out she got to do Pop music she was happy bc she could dance to it and that's what she wanted to do.
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Member Since: 5/27/2010
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Originally posted by Loghen
This thread still going and Bey and Gaga stans wanting to downgrade Britney's impact... shocking.
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There's a difference between downgrading Britney's impact and not conceding the point that literally every successful female act following Britney only exists because of her. Stan delusions.
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Member Since: 12/4/2008
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Originally posted by Monroe
You are purposely diminishing Britney's importance. Musically she was always before the trends and she always helped popularize them and make them happen. For instance Britney was before the bell curve in terms of dance music with the mainstream with Toxic, she was before the bell curve with dubstep with Hold It Against Me, she was there to help popularize the urban-hip-hop trend in 2001 with Slave 4 U,
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NSYNC worked with The Neptunes before Britney, and I'm A Slave 4 U wasn't even originally meant for Britney. I mean, how can you brag about work that Britney has nothing to do with production and writing wise?
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she helped popularize Teen pop with ...Baby One More Time and Oops!...I Did It Again she has always influenced trends or popularize them. This is not saying she created it, but she certainly did impact the pop community in a big way. I mean seriously prior to Britney teen girls were not as sexualized as they are today.
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Hanson, The Spice Girls, and the Backstreet Boys popularized teen pop. Britney only benefited from it, she didn't make it more popular.
And NOOOOOOOO @ you bragging about sexualized teenage girls
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Prior to Britney you didn't see tons of teen girls walking around in middrifs, sweating all over a bathhouse and dancing with snakes and belly dancing. Britney definitely changed the landscape of pop music. That much is obvious.
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Aaliyah, Destiny's Child/Beyonce, TLC...? Or do they not count because they're not white
Again, you were talking about image in that whole paragraph and than conclude it with "Britney changed the landscape of pop MUSIC". What?
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Member Since: 6/4/2010
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Originally posted by Monroe
I don't really care what people think about which one "influenced more" as some of you are pointlessly arguing. I only care about the fact that you are wrong on Britney not influencing pop culture.
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I never said she had zero influence. I simply said not on the level of the legends, which is obviously true. The funny thing is you're proving my point by mentioning Mandy, Jessica, Miley, etc etc.
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Member Since: 8/24/2008
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Originally posted by Monroe
You are purposely diminishing Britney's importance. Musically she was always before the trends and she always helped popularize them and make them happen. For instance Britney was before the bell curve in terms of dance music with the mainstream with Toxic, she was before the bell curve with dubstep with Hold It Against Me, she was there to help popularize the urban-hip-hop trend in 2001 with Slave 4 U, she helped popularize Teen pop with ...Baby One More Time and Oops!...I Did It Again she has always influenced trends or popularize them. This is not saying she created it, but she certainly did impact the pop community in a big way. I mean seriously prior to Britney teen girls were not as sexualized as they are today. Prior to Britney you didn't see tons of teen girls walking around in middrifs, sweating all over a bathhouse and dancing with snakes and belly dancing. Britney definitely changed the landscape of pop music. That much is obvious.
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I'm not diminishing Britneys importance. I know she was a huge entity. Only a fool couldn't see that Britney made a huge impact on POP CULTURE, but musically I don't see it. When it comes to musical impact I don't see girls rushing out to make get "Britneys sound". I don't see them rushing to "perform like Britney". yes Britney used to perform her ass off back in the day, but all that has been overshadowed by her troubles and I do think people try to dimish Britney's success and she probably won't until she dies, but musically/performance wise anything she had has been overshadowed. Her time in prominence was too short.
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She didnt mentioned Katy
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Member Since: 3/21/2010
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Originally posted by DrunkNHotBoyz
Actually you did. You need to reread your response to me BOOBOO.
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my sales post was referring to that one member saying she was never as huge as Madonna at some point. You obviously had to headbutt your way into the convo. You can stop now.
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Member Since: 10/7/2011
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Britney made huge impact. Only delusion can stop somebody from seeing that.
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Member Since: 12/5/2009
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Originally posted by berberocka
She didnt mentioned Katy
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She must be pressed because she is now singing Katy's leftovers.
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Member Since: 12/22/2011
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after 13 years of career Madonna did Evita.Her vocie was at her peak and after 13 years Britney can't sing can't dance and so on.her next album will be her last.mark my words.
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Member Since: 3/21/2010
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Originally posted by Anti.Emotional
I never said she had zero influence. I simply said not on the level of the legends, which is obviously true. The funny thing is you're proving my point by mentioning Mandy, Jessica, Miley, etc etc.
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sis Miley is a pop culture icon as well. Don't dismiss the queen Cyrus.
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Member Since: 3/6/2011
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Originally posted by Anti.Emotional
I never said she had zero influence. I simply said not on the level of the legends, which is obviously true. The funny thing is you're proving my point by mentioning Mandy, Jessica, Miley, etc etc.
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I heard Trina Braxton's new music is Britney inspired too sis.
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Member Since: 3/13/2011
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Originally posted by MrPeanut
Teen pop was already big before Britney, and the bubblegum brand of it started fading by the end of '01 as rock became more popular. It only makes sense that pop-rock would become a thing in response.
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I don't think the commercial like sound of it can be denied. I would agree with you if the artists in question released songs that sounded like the ones Jewel or Alanis sang but they didn't. They sang songs that sounded like the bubble gum pop songs just with a rock edge to them. It was obviously a token response to mill the bubble-gum pop community just under a different pretense/sound. The songs they sang were just as commercial as the songs they sought to counter against. Either way I don't think the presentation of their artists can be denied. Explicitly with Avril. She was modeled to look like Britney, just with a punk-rock image. All of these girls were Britney just with a rockier look or edge. It was obvious what the labels were doing. They wanted to create an anti-Britney because they saw the public growing tired of Britney with her perfect image, poppy songs and clean demeanor.
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Whoa Nelly! was released in 2000 and she had a single out in 1999. Is there any basis for saying Nelly was signed as a response to Britney other than her music being folk-influenced and different from the bubblegum pop trend (which again, was obviously happening with Britney or without)? This is such specious reasoning.
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Critics themselves have noted that Nelly Furtado was an anti-Britney. I mean that kind of says it. If you think that's not enough evidence then that's your opinion. But I think this speaks of Britney's direct influence as she was the titular pop-princess of the late 90's.
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By your logic Adele owes a debt of her success to Gaga for being the anti-Gaga.
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I think this is plausible. With out Gaga's excessive theatrics and excessive musical loudness I don't think the public would have treasured Adele's minimalism and organic approach to music.
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Member Since: 8/16/2011
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Originally posted by Chickenchiki
Really? did you ask every person in the world why they recognize her?
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And do you think you're clever?
Let's not act like she was one of the most searched artist last decade cuz people wanted to find out about her music. I can make a logical inference based on how the public reacted that they were most likely either looking for vagina pics or her meltdown. And those things I doubt usually translate into a good public image. But you're right, that is just my opinion.
But we can see whatever influence or impact she last had slowly fading based on her VMA "tribute". At this point, she's become a media celebrity. Unlike many of you Britney stans like to believe, her pop career (1998-2003) leaves a lot to be wanted. Maybe not in sales or hits, but in artistry and quality. At this rate, her "impact" will be forgotten when she turns 40.
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