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Discussion: ARTPOP Explained?
Member Since: 11/17/2011
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Originally posted by Rigalo
The PF metaphor isn't hard to grasp onto at all. But death at that LG thing. Was that after TF or during? Because I'm highly inclined to believe that she made up all of that **** after the fact to save face and to look like an "unoriginal popstar" even though her debut was everything but original.
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It's easy to say that the PF metaphor isn't hard to grasp, but almost nobody knew what she was talking about when it was first released. We all thought it was just some innuendo for ****ing her face or something. It wasn't until she explained it that Kanye started talking with her and others started seeing that she had different meanings in her music.
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Member Since: 7/9/2010
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Originally posted by Twai
Again, you are not in any position to be saying that unless you provide evidence that I'm wrong.
I did not say 1.
and 2., claiming that Gaga acted like pop music is **** is, frankly, bull****. She's always been SHAMELESSLY a pop artist. Just because she brought some rock influence into her pop doesn't mean she suddenly went around acting like she was too good for pop. If you insist that she acted too good for pop music, back it up.
"She's just trying to be popular again while still trying to be artsy" is an absurd statement. YOU DON'T KNOW what's happening in her head. And even if that is what's going on, was anything I said in the OP wrong? I'm waiting...
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Look kid, why the hell are you telling me I dont know whats going inside her head and I need evidence? It's my ****ing opinion and analysis, just like you have yours. The only difference is that I dont claim mine to be written in stone like you do.
In my opinions she could never survive another BTW era (both look and music) she would totally flop. She realized this so she's giving in(and I'm sure that irks her) and releasing what the public wants while still trying to cling to a deep message, which is to be expected.. it's Gaga, that's not what I'm arguing against.
I'm arguing against people saying she's had this calculated for years and her whole career has been one big calculated move. As if little Stefani sat in her room writing the whole thing down.
Over analysis is all it is, I can write you an essay on how Pink Friday Roman Reloaded is some carefully calculated album that she released to show the decay of a rapper.
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Member Since: 10/9/2011
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So ArtPop is basically.. pop art? Congrats on cracking that nut, sherlock -__-
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Member Since: 6/22/2012
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omg. the thread of the decade! 
why are people calling her pretentious, there have been albums called Art pop and pop art in the past
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Member Since: 10/3/2010
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Originally posted by JonnyϟLightning
Look kid, why the hell are you telling me I dont know whats going inside her head and I need evidence? It's my ****ing opinion and analysis, just like you have yours. The only difference is that I dont claim mine to be written in stone like you do.
In my opinions she could never survive another BTW era (both look and music) she would totally flop. She realized this so she's giving in(and I'm sure that irks her) and releasing what the public wants while still trying to cling to a deep message, which is to be expected.. it's Gaga, that's not what I'm arguing against.
I'm arguing against people saying she's had this calculated for years and her whole career has been one big calculated move. As if little Stefani sat in her room writing the whole thing down.
Over analysis is all it is, I can write you an essay on how Pink Friday Roman Reloaded is some carefully calculated album that she released to show the decay of a rapper.
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10/10 
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Member Since: 3/16/2012
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Originally posted by Twai
Someone want to explain to me, IN DETAIL, why people are losing their sh** about this title?
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There's no need for details. They don't like Gaga anymore, therefore they must criticize and not like anything she does.
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Member Since: 11/17/2011
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Originally posted by Eric.
There's no need for details. They don't like Gaga anymore, therefore they must criticize and not like anything she does.
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I bet you they had this all planned out. They knew she would fail some day so they got their fonts and essays and reads ready years before  
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Member Since: 12/21/2010
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Originally posted by JonnyϟLightning
I'm arguing against people saying she's had this calculated for years and her whole career has been one big calculated move. As if little Stefani sat in her room writing the whole thing down.
Over analysis is all it is, I can write you an essay on how Pink Friday Roman Reloaded is some carefully calculated album that she released to show the decay of a rapper.
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1) Your condescending tone adds nothing to the argument, so tune it out please.
2) Some of us do believe that's the case, and we're entitled to that opinion.
3) You can't over-analyze PF: RR - there's nothing lyrically deep enough to interpret nor has there been anything deep visually from her...ever.
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Originally posted by Flanders
So ArtPop is basically.. pop art? Congrats on cracking that nut, sherlock -__-
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No. It's the deconstruction of pop art.
She did, after all, say she wanted to "turn Warhol inside out."
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Member Since: 7/22/2010
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Originally posted by JonnyϟLightning
Look kid, why the hell are you telling me I dont know whats going inside her head and I need evidence? It's my ****ing opinion and analysis, just like you have yours. The only difference is that I dont claim mine to be written in stone like you do.
In my opinions she could never survive another BTW era (both look and music) she would totally flop. She realized this so she's giving in(and I'm sure that irks her) and releasing what the public wants while still trying to cling to a deep message, which is to be expected.. it's Gaga, that's not what I'm arguing against.
I'm arguing against people saying she's had this calculated for years and her whole career has been one big calculated move. As if little Stefani sat in her room writing the whole thing down.
Over analysis is all it is, I can write you an essay on how Pink Friday Roman Reloaded is some carefully calculated album that she released to show the decay of a rapper.
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This is laughable. I took issue with you saying "She's just trying to be popular again while still trying to be artsy." This is not stated as an opinion, it's phrased as you stating a fact. You are telling me that I AM WRONG because... I'm reaching? No other information needed, I'm just reaching, therefore I'm wrong? Thanks for your input?
I'm not claiming my opinions are set in stone, I am simply presenting facts, things she has done before, which show that "ARTPOP" is not a drastically new direction. I'm not speculating about her motives and claiming that I'm right above all else, I don't pretend to know which direction this era will take. I'm simply presenting examples from her past that are not very different than what she's doing now. That's all.
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Member Since: 5/3/2010
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I meant original where I put unoriginal in that post 
But like I said, It's very easy for Gaga to release your typical pop song, think of some crazy metaphor after the song blows up, and then say that was what inspired her when she goes to interviews. That's what I think about the entire The Fame era. She basically bull****ted her way through it so that when she released The Fame Monster it would make her look like she actually did have substance in her lyrics and that kind of stuff.
Like, one time a monster on here told me that Just Dance was about dancing through the intoxication and something about how it is subliminally telling the listener that they are a strong person and to not let people bully them?  and that it wasn't just your typical pop song. Bitch what. So I'm curious to know if Gaga really said something like that.
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Member Since: 12/28/2010
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Originally posted by MusicTalker
I'm one of the people who think she planned out all this from the very beginning. It's all do coincidentally linked & perfectly handled. No other artist could've pulled off going from The Fame to eventually getting to Born This Way in less than three years. She constructed a way to smoothly transition her image & music piece-by-piece in my opinion. That's why I'm so excited for the new album. I'm expecting her to return to The Fame image & sometime during the era receive "backlash" & yet again symbolize the decay of her public image & the "blonde popstar". It seems like a cycle.
People don't give her enough credit. This girl is SMART. She did her research.
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i agree with all this she is very smart
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Member Since: 10/9/2011
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Drag sistas, drrraagggg 
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Member Since: 7/22/2010
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Originally posted by Rigalo
I meant original where I put unoriginal in that post
But like I said, It's very easy for Gaga to release your typical pop song, think of some crazy metaphor after the song blows up, and then say that was what inspired her when she goes to interviews. That's what I think about the entire The Fame era. She basically bull****ted her way through it so that when she released The Fame Monster it would make her look like she actually did have substance in her lyrics and that kind of stuff.
Like, one time a monster on here told me that Just Dance was about dancing through the intoxication and something about how it is subliminally telling the listener that they are a strong person and to not let people bully them? and that it wasn't just your typical pop song. Bitch what. So I'm curious to know if Gaga really said something like that. |
I just don't know why you'd be so cynical. It's much easier to be inspired and write a song, than it is to write a meaningless song and then retroactively think of a meaning. Seriously, try writing something meaningless; many art theorists and even psychologists would say it's literally impossible. There is always SOME kind of intent. So I don't know why you'd bother being cynical instead of just taking the artist at her word.
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Member Since: 12/21/2010
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Originally posted by Flanders
Drag sistas, drrraagggg |
Why post something so pointless when, for once on here, there's an actual intelligent discussion occurring?
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Member Since: 11/17/2011
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Originally posted by Twai
I just don't know why you'd be so cynical. It's much easier to be inspired and write a song, than it is to write a meaningless song and then retroactively think of a meaning. Seriously, try writing something meaningless; many art theorists and even psychologists would say it's literally impossible. There is always SOME kind of intent. So I don't know why you'd bother being cynical instead of just taking the artist at her word.
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I mean, you can twist a meaning into something other than it's original intent. I've seen it done a couple of times and I'd say that it's possible Gaga has done it a few times with TFM. But other than that I agree with you. It's pretty hard, I as a songwriter myself realize it.
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Member Since: 11/17/2011
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Originally posted by BoyOnBoy Wonder
Why post something so pointless when, for once on here, there's an actual intelligent discussion occurring?
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Don't even, i'm so tempted to say some SYG worthy things myself tbh
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Member Since: 8/2/2010
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Originally posted by Dip Low
Thats clever commentary though.
That's what is so brilliant about The Fame and The Fame Monster. They did a good job of keeping a Warholian sensibility in balance with mainstream influences (all with tongue planted in cheek)
However, this ARTPOP thing is just her saying "OMG WARHOL GUYZ". She's done it before, but at least it was slightly more subtle.
I don't want the themes and images of The Fame back.
I want the music, and the biting social commentary that wasn't preachy.
And ARTPOP just seems like a more pretentious Fame album
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The meltdowns and we don't even know what the album is really about 
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Member Since: 11/17/2011
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Originally posted by ddeizaguirre
The meltdowns and we don't even know what the album is really about |
He's been that way for awhile now. For what reasons, no one truly knows.  I just hope that Gaga proves a lot of people wrong this time. And without any need for self acceptance themes and such. Just Gaga giving her all. I'm surprised that Gaga was even taken seriously, by the general public in the first place. She was deemed a ***** during her first era.
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Member Since: 12/21/2010
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Y'all leave Dip Low/Shape alone. He found the light (hence why he's not in here arguing).
Well... his own light that I happen to highly agree with.
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Member Since: 5/3/2010
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But anyways instead of looking into the past I will say that Twai your analysis of the upcoming era makes a lot of sense and I am very much looking forward to how this all goes. Bye, y'all. 
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