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Originally posted by Bey'Knight
Thanks for bringing more to the table than the deadbeat atrl classic "she didnt lie" followed by a corny smiley.
While i get where u are comin from but i think what you're omitting is the fact that women/feminists are complex textured creatures. A woman does not have to put on the strong independent front all the time. They can be insecure (pretty hurts)
Angry (bow down)
Sexual (partition)
Naughty (blow)
Nurturing (blue) etc
Her role in Partition video was a bored wife envisioning a sexual fantasy with her husband and it's fine for women to embrace their sexuality too as the aptly placed speech at the end of the song implies
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Right. And we get that, because we are fans and understand her message. But my point is that the GP doesn't see much beyond the surface value. So, if a woman is on stage shaking her ass, most men aren't caring why they're doing it, they just care that it's happening. When the typical straight man sees a woman dancing on a stripper pole during a VMA performance, he doesn't think "Wow, I wonder what message she's trying to send! What an interesting take on female sexuality!" So that's why, though I think Emma misunderstood the point, her opinion shouldn't be laughed at.
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Originally posted by Ascension
But why can't a woman want to be appealing to a man and still be taken seriously as a social equal?
I honestly don't think people realize what they're even saying when they question the belief of women that don't fit into a certain category because they admit or behave in ways that indicate that they want to be appealing to their significant others/the opposite sex. Being considered beautiful, sexy, appealing to the opposite sex isn't objectification; it becomes objectification when that is ALL that the woman is and can be seen as. Which ironically is exactly what one is implying when they begin on this whole, "well if you are doing things that appeal to men, you can't possibly believe in the social equality of women" slippery slope.
This is basically saying that a woman can only behave a certain way or dress a certain way to be taken seriously as a person that believes in a woman's social equality. The belief that women have to fit in certain stereotypical roles and behave and dress in certain ways to be heard and taken seriously is problematic. The burden is not on Beyonce or any other woman to dress in burlap sacks to "reverse stereotypes" -- that's not the point of feminism, but feminism has always been warped into this twisted thing of dress a certain way and you'll be taken seriously, speak a certain way and you'll be taken seriously which is entirely antithetical to what feminists actually fight for. Like I said, indoctrination can be difficult to let go of -- even when you know better. And Emma clearly knows better.
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Well, in this thread, a lot of the Hive were saying she's allowed to dance for her husband, which is very much true. That's probably why many overlooked my comment about her VMA performance, which was performed for 8 million people. And she's perfectly allowed to express her sexuality like that. Sadly, men do degrade women that take off their clothes and, it's not right, but that's how they do. So that's why I think she needs to try to strike a balance, which I already said she did on the album. I just worry that the full message isn't coming across to the GP. As for the rest of your argument, I completely agree, but I'm not talking about myself. I'm talking about casual watchers.