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Chart Listings: Billboard Hot 100 Singles (December 16-23, 2009)
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I think success is a combination of quality and huge names on the industry
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Originally posted by starstruck52
Rihanna doesn't have like diehard stans like Beyonce, Britney, GaGa, and others do. She doesn't really have a distinctive personality or talent. She's good for the occasional good song and then people are over her. Just my opinion.
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Yep, definitely just your opinion. Her fans may not be psychos like the Lady Gaga or Beyonce stans, but that doesn't mean they're capricious and fickle.
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Shakira aren't as big of stars as Beyonce and Lady GaGa are
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come back and say that when Gaga has sold more than 50 million records and has had two of her singles as the best selling single of the year [whenever, wherever AND hips don't lie]
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come back and say that when Gaga has sold more than 50 million records and has had two of her singles as the best selling single of the year [whenever, wherever AND hips don't lie]
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I was talking about this year. And um compare the sales of The Fame Monster to the sales of She Wolf. Nuff said. And "Pokerface" was just as big as "Hips Don't Lie".
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Yep, definitely just your opinion. Her fans may not be psychos like the Lady Gaga or Beyonce stans, but that doesn't mean they're capricious and fickle.
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I disagree. Look at her album sales. She can't debut @ #1, she's not on Beyonce or Britney's level. Stop acting like I'm making this stuff up, I'm speaking facts. Go to every big forum on the web and you'll have 2 RiRi stans and an avalanche of other artist stans. There's nothing (which IS just my opinion) about Rihanna that grasps people by the balls and makes them want to stan for her. Other than her beautiful face.
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Originally posted by Rico Shameless v2
I don't think Rihanna has a strong fanbase at all. As you can see, people who were interested in her basically gave up on her with "Russian Roulette". "Hard" is just now beginning to do well, but only in the Americas thus far and could still stall based on it's radio play. If anyone wants to say "well this album isn't doing well because it's not catchy pop and more artistic", then you're just proving my point. If she had a fanbase it wouldn't matter what kind of music she released, it should do well (or better than this) with the promotion and what not. As for GGGB era, that wasn't proof of a fanbase. More proof of she was just the big thing at the time.
I don't think GaGa has a big fanbase either. One mistake I think people who support her would just drop her. She basically has to keep churning out the catchy pop songs. "Speechless" is hardly showing any buzz signs and she's performed it 5695065463 times. "Bad Romance" had trouble before she began whoring around as well.
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What you are saying works in theory, but not in reality. Fans are fickle, not loyal. So according to you Rihanna is flopping because she doesn't have a strong fanbase, is that the case for Mariah Carey aswell? If she had a 'stong fanbase' then surely she would have a hit regardless of the quality of her material... Surely you can explain to me why Britney's Blackout album flopped? Shall we go with your theory that she doesn't have a strong fanbase? Blackout was one ofher best. The majority of people are not crazed die hard stans for anybody, unlike the people on this forum... Often people buy a song/album because they like the matrerial, they don't have to like the artist/group. Sucess does not last indefinitely.
With regard to Lady GaGa a release of 'speechless' would be a terrible idea, its not single material. I hate it.
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^ i wish there was a book on this so we wouldnt have to come up with our own theories
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Originally posted by Celestial
Shall we go with your theory that she doesn't have a strong fanbase? Blackout was one ofher best. The majority of people are not crazed die hard stans for anybody, unlike the people on this forum... Often people buy a song/album because they like the matrerial, they don't have to like the artist/group. Sucess does not last indefinitely.
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LOL don't bring Blackout into this. Media persuation and lack of promotion was the reason for that flop, and it still wasn't even a "flop".... it had 3 big singles and went platinum. A million artists wish their albums "flopped" like that.
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Originally posted by starstruck52
I disagree. Look at her album sales. She can't debut @ #1, she's not on Beyonce or Britney's level. Stop acting like I'm making this stuff up, I'm speaking facts. Go to every big forum on the web and you'll have 2 RiRi stans and an avalanche of other artist stans. There's nothing (which IS just my opinion) about Rihanna that grasps people by the balls and makes them want to stan for her. Other than her beautiful face.
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What the hell. Do you actually read what other people write, or do you just respond however you like. I said that Rihanna's fans weren't psycho stans like Beyonce's or Lady Gaga's. But ATRL is not the world. Get a clue. Every one of Rihanna's albums has gone platinum, and she's had smash singles throughout her career. You can't deny the consistency.
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Originally posted by supaspaz
What the hell. Do you actually read what other people write, or do you just respond however you like. I said that Rihanna's fans weren't psycho stans like Beyonce's or Lady Gaga's. But ATRL is not the world. Get a clue. Every one of Rihanna's albums has gone platinum, and she's had smash singles throughout her career. You can't deny the consistency.
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The level of "crazy" fans is the level of stardom. The harder people stan for you, the more relevant you are. I didn't say ATRL was the world, but all around the internet? It pretty much is the world.
BTW I never said Rihanna wasn't successful. But she's gonna end up like Ashanti if she doesn't keep churning out hits like "Disturbia" and "Umbrella" on a nonstop basis.
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Originally posted by starstruck52
LOL don't bring Blackout into this. Media persuation and lack of promotion was the reason for that flop, and it still wasn't even a "flop".... it had 3 big singles and went platinum. A million artists wish their albums "flopped" like that.
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Blackout underperformed, in the United States at least.
And, I agree with Celestial. It's nice to think that artists have loyal fans who go out in droves to buy material, but it's not reality at all. People will buy albums that they enjoy listening to, and usually base that decision off whether or not they like the singles. Hence, people don't like Russian Roulette = people don't buy the album. Previous hits and albums do also affect whether people are interested in new material, but it doesn't mean that they're going to blindly go to HMV and buy a copy.
That's why the first single is so crucial.
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Originally posted by starstruck52
The level of "crazy" fans is the level of stardom. The harder people stan for you, the more relevant you are. I didn't say ATRL was the world, but all around the internet? It pretty much is the world.
BTW I never said Rihanna wasn't successful. But she's gonna end up like Ashanti if she doesn't keep churning out hits like "Disturbia" and "Umbrella" on a nonstop basis.
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No, in the internet is not the world. Music discussions on the internet do not represent at all the average consumer.
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Originally posted by £100
Blackout underperformed, in the United States at least.
And, I agree with Celestial. It's nice to think that artists have loyal fans who go out in droves to buy material, but it's not reality at all. People will buy albums that they enjoy listening to, and usually base that decision off whether or not they like the singles. Hence, people don't like Russian Roulette = people don't buy the album. Previous hits and albums do also affect whether people are interested in new material, but it doesn't mean that they're going to blindly go to HMV and buy a copy.
That's why the first single is so crucial.
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It underperformed because of lack of promotion and media sabotage. Let's keep in mind that Britney "underperforming" is not the same as other artists underperforming. People put Britney on a higher pedestal than others. Blackout performed better than Hard Candy and Discipline and E=MC2.
At this point I feel like you just enjoy disagreeing with everything I say.
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Originally posted by £100
No, in the internet is not the world. Music discussions on the internet do not represent at all the average consumer.
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You get a pretty good idea who is "bigger" when you look at the stans.
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That's awful.
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That's extremely distasteful.
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No, YOU're retarted
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oh i'm just too fed up with all this talk, .. could have put a baby polar bear or anything there. sorry for any repulsiveness caused ..
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I feel so bad.. i loled at that But yeah it's not cool. u_u
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