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Discussion: What's your stance on...? #46: Organ Donation
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Originally posted by HausofCherry
It's not God's fault that society has chosen to persecute homosexuals in particular compared to other sinners, when frankly no one should be persecuting anyone as we all sin. It's only some Christians' fault that we collectively get a bad rep.
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Yes it is. When your alleged word assigns immorality to a group of people, you open the doors for persecution and discrimination.
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Originally posted by HausofCherry
It's not God's fault that society has chosen to persecute homosexuals in particular compared to other sinners, when frankly no one should be persecuting anyone as we all sin. It's only some Christians' fault that we collectively get a bad rep.
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It is 'God's' fault, or rather his prophets fault. If he had not called homosexuality an abomination, this would not be an issue.
But as I do not believe in god, I believe that it is a hatred that was the invention of mad.
Surely if there was a god, he could not hate nor could he even hint at directing others to hate which is what has ultimately happened.
Homosexuality is actually natural, a lot of animals practise it. It is not a sin.
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Originally posted by Jewfro
But if it's such an abomination - something so unholy and reprehensible - why did Jesus not utter a single word about it? That's my question.
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Because He didn't need to. It's already in the Bible, both testaments.
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Originally posted by itstotallybea
There are so many violent acts that have been committed in the name of God that it would take me a year to list them. Whether it is 'the Christian way' or not, it is done.
The Bible say's do not kill, does that make every soldier who is Christian not a 'real christian'.
What about alcoholics, as the bible condemns 'drunkards'
Do you not see the huge double standards? I respect that it is your religion but it isn't everyone's so the law shouldn't restrict things like Gay Marriage because there is no real reason to prevent it. It hurts no-one.
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Please.... lol  Look at other religions.... look at any major group of people who follow something. There will be violence everywhere... but the bottom line is, these violent people are not really what the religion is saying. They are just extremists. They are not even worth mentioning in this debate.
No. Their nation is going into war and the bible says do not murder.
I never said it should... if you read all my previous posts. I never said it should restrict Gay Marriage. Please read my previous posts.
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Originally posted by RatedGaga
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What happened with the rest of my post? Did it perhaps magically disappear? 
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Originally posted by HausofCherry
Because He didn't need to. It's already in the Bible, both testaments.
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Interesting point of view.
What is your take on divorce?
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Originally posted by Golden Trigger
Bea is so ****ing smart, it's unbelievable.  |
You know you're ****ed when your not on bea's side
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Originally posted by itstotallybea
It is 'God's' fault, or rather his prophets fault. If he had not called homosexuality an abomination, this would not be an issue.
But as I do not believe in god, I believe that it is a hatred that was the invention of mad.
Surely if there was a god, he could not hate nor could he even hint at directing others to hate which is what has ultimately happened.
Homosexuality is actually natural, a lot of animals practise it. It is not a sin.
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God condemning people for not abiding by His word is not the same as hating them. God is love.
I believe that all sin, including homosexuality (IMO), is natural. Does that make all natural acts right?
(BTW, I certainly hope you don't think I'm trying to shove my religion down your throat. I realize some things I have said may have given off that impression.)
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Originally posted by TheGeoKing
Please.... lol Look at other religions.... look at any major group of people who follow something. There will be violence everywhere... but the bottom line is, these violent people are not really what the religion is saying. They are just extremists. They are not even worth mentioning in this debate.
No. Their nation is going into war and the bible says do not murder.
I never said it should... if you read all my previous posts. I never said it should restrict Gay Marriage. Please read my previous posts. |
A death at your own hands, is always murder. Accidental, necessary or otherwise. That's not even mentioning the fact that some recent wars have been totally unneccesary.
The only branch of Christianity I have any respect for is Quakerism, they are all about peace and equality, they preach love and tolerance and that is what Christianity should be about.
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Originally posted by HausofCherry
Because He didn't need to. It's already in the Bible, both testaments.
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The Bible you read wasn't established/put together at that time 
And if he didn't need to, why did he speak on everything else - other moral issues that were "already in the Bible"? That doesn't make sense.
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I have no idea...but nothing was there when I checked
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Originally posted by Wildhope
Interesting point of view.
What is your take on divorce?
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I don't believe in divorce.
I think that marriage is something so serious that you have to take careful consideration into who you marry. Any disagreement can be resolved with effort. If it can't, those people likely weren't meant to be together in the first place.
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Gay marriage, gay adoption, the sooner it's all perceived as normal the better.
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Originally posted by HausofCherry
God condemning people for not abiding by His word is not the same as hating them. God is love.
I believe that all sin, including homosexuality (IMO), is natural. Does that make all natural acts right?
(BTW, I certainly hope you don't think I'm trying to shove my religion down your throat. I realize some things I have said may have given off that impression.)
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No you are quite respectful actually. I just happen to strongly disagree with you.
I believe that IF there is a God he will not judge you on who you loved or how many times you went to church, I believe he will judge everyone on what kind of a person they were at the core. In the end the most important thing is how you treat others and how you conduct yourself. Whomever you choose to marry, in my opinion, is irrelevant to the type of person you are.
The thing is, we won't know until we die and I am in no rush to find out.
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Originally posted by HausofCherry
I don't believe in divorce.
I think that marriage is something so serious that you have to take careful consideration into who you marry. Any disagreement can be resolved with effort. If it can't, those people likely weren't meant to be together in the first place.
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I believe in this too...but so many people do not take marriage seriously
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Originally posted by PopBoi
You know you're ****ed when your not on bea's side
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You already know you're wrong when she says she disagrees.
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Originally posted by Jewfro
The Bible you read wasn't established/put together at that time
And if he didn't need to, why did he speak on everything else - other moral issues that were "already in the Bible"? That doesn't make sense. |
The Old Testament, I'm pretty sure, was around in Jesus' time. (Correct me if I'm wrong.) There were many practicing Jews then.
Jesus spoke on what He felt He needed to speak on. I don't question Him.
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Originally posted by HausofCherry
I don't believe in divorce.
I think that marriage is something so serious that you have to take careful consideration into who you marry. Any disagreement can be resolved with effort. If it can't, those people likely weren't meant to be together in the first place.
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There are some situations where divorce is the only option. I grew up in a home where my Father was abusive towards me and my Mother, it would have been dangerous for us to stay.
Things are never black and white.
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Originally posted by HausofCherry
I don't believe in divorce.
I think that marriage is something so serious that you have to take careful consideration into who you marry. Any disagreement can be resolved with effort. If it can't, those people likely weren't meant to be together in the first place.
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Interesting. So do you think divorce should be illegal as well?
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Originally posted by itstotallybea
A death at your own hands, is always murder. Accidental, necessary or otherwise. That's not even mentioning the fact that some recent wars have been totally unneccesary.
The only branch of Christianity I have any respect for is Quakerism, they are all about peace and equality, they preach love and tolerance and that is what Christianity should be about.
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I'm sorry no it's not.
Murder, as defined in common law countries, is the unlawful killing of another human being with "malice aforethought", and generally this state of mind distinguishes murder from other forms of unlawful homicide (such as manslaughter)
WIKI FTW 
Well that is the one I follow (Quakerism).... thank you. lol
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