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ATRL: Nicole's Farewell Letter?
Member Since: 3/4/2011
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Nicole, Gaga has some words for you
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Honestly Nicole, I agree with you. I like Born This Way, but sometimes... Idk. Why can't she be a "normal" pop star? She CAN be remembered (because that's what she wants) even if she puts out "commercial" music. If she wanted to, she could be the perfect pop star, because she's the most talented out there. Her voice is perfect for pop. She's dancing, singing live, writing her own songs, etc.
Fernando Garibay is the Executive Producer of Born This Way. Dr. Luke AND Max Martin are the Executive Producers of Femme Fatale and Teenage Dream. What the ****. She could've hired ANYBODY to make this ****ing album and she chose him. I'm often wondering what her music would sound like if it was produced by Stargate, for example. She needed someone with experience.
ALL of the song on Born This Way have weaknesses. Not one could be a big fat hit like BR, PF or JD. We've seen it with Judas, Hair and TEOG; the songs she's releasing are climbing the charts but are falling just as fast. She doesn't understand that you do not need to merge your music style with some other **** to make it work or to be remembered. The world and the music industry evolved a lot but unfortunately she's living the past. Why isn't she forward thinking?
And I'm tired of her Mother Monster thing. I'm gay and I'm not a ****ing freak that needs to be protected like it is some kind of puppy.
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Member Since: 12/27/2010
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this thread is so emotional
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Member Since: 3/27/2011
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She really contradicts herself.
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Member Since: 12/24/2010
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Originally posted by LyzzTheMonster
She really contradicts herself.
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She wouldn't be Nicole if she didn't
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Member Since: 4/3/2011
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 this thread. Some people need a life nobody own an artist if you dont like an album dont buy it simple as that i dont understand why some people are that upset. I Stan for Gaga i still hasnt buy the Fame cause i'm not interest in that kind of music is it Gaga fault ? Nope just not my taste. You dont like BTW album dont buy it. Not because you love an artist you have to love everything they do. Seriously 
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Member Since: 8/15/2010
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Originally posted by FameHooker
Honestly Nicole, I agree with you. I like Born This Way, but sometimes... Idk. Why can't she be a "normal" pop star? She CAN be remembered (because that's what she wants) even if she puts out "commercial" music. If she wanted to, she could be the perfect pop star, because she's the most talented out there. Her voice is perfect for pop. She's dancing, singing live, writing her own songs, etc.
Fernando Garibay is the Executive Producer of Born This Way. Dr. Luke AND Max Martin are the Executive Producers of Femme Fatale and Teenage Dream. What the ****. She could've hired ANYBODY to make this ****ing album and she chose him. I'm often wondering what her music would sound like if it was produced by Stargate, for example. She needed someone with experience.
ALL of the song on Born This Way have weaknesses. Not one could be a big fat hit like BR, PF or JD. We've seen it with Judas, Hair and TEOG; the songs she's releasing are climbing the charts but are falling just as fast. She doesn't understand that you do not need to merge your music style with some other **** to make it work or to be remembered. The world and the music industry evolved a lot but unfortunately she's living the past. Why isn't she forward thinking?
And I'm tired of her Mother Monster thing. I'm gay and I'm not a ****ing freak that needs to be protected like it is some kind of puppy.
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Prostitute wrench. Don't vomit your mind if it is purely to brown nose.
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Member Since: 3/5/2011
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Originally posted by Haus of Wilke$
Prostitute wrench. Don't vomit your mind if it is purely to brown nose.
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Member Since: 10/8/2009
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Originally posted by FreeBitch
this thread. Some people need a life nobody own an artist if you dont like an album dont buy it simple as that i dont understand why some people are that upset. I Stan for Gaga i still hasnt buy the Fame cause i'm not interest in that kind of music is it Gaga fault ? Nope just not my taste. You dont like BTW album dont buy it. Not because you love an artist you have to love everything they do. Seriously |
I dont think you get it at all.
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Member Since: 3/5/2011
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Originally posted by FameHooker
Honestly Nicole, I agree with you. I like Born This Way, but sometimes... Idk. Why can't she be a "normal" pop star? She CAN be remembered (because that's what she wants) even if she puts out "commercial" music. If she wanted to, she could be the perfect pop star, because she's the most talented out there. Her voice is perfect for pop. She's dancing, singing live, writing her own songs, etc.
Fernando Garibay is the Executive Producer of Born This Way. Dr. Luke AND Max Martin are the Executive Producers of Femme Fatale and Teenage Dream. What the ****. She could've hired ANYBODY to make this ****ing album and she chose him. I'm often wondering what her music would sound like if it was produced by Stargate, for example. She needed someone with experience.
ALL of the song on Born This Way have weaknesses. Not one could be a big fat hit like BR, PF or JD. We've seen it with Judas, Hair and TEOG; the songs she's releasing are climbing the charts but are falling just as fast. She doesn't understand that you do not need to merge your music style with some other **** to make it work or to be remembered. The world and the music industry evolved a lot but unfortunately she's living the past. Why isn't she forward thinking?
And I'm tired of her Mother Monster thing. I'm gay and I'm not a ****ing freak that needs to be protected like it is some kind of puppy.
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This post defines everything that is wrong with backward-thinking Gaga stans. I will give you Judas, but Hair and TEOG were unpromoted promo singles. Wait until she performs TEOG and it will stabilise. I assume, of course, you don't mean that BR, PF and JD were perfect pop songs without weaknesses, because you just need to look at the length of BR to see that Lady GaGa doesn't churn out commercial hits, she makes uncommercial songs commercial.
The bit in bold is hilarious. This entire album is forward thinking. The music industry has been at a standstill for the past few years with nothing but generic hit after generic hit topping the charts. You can say you dislike the album, but one thing you cannot do is say that this album isn't forward thinking! GaGa is the only artist in the industry, apart from Rihanna with Rated R, who has actually evolved from one era into the next!
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Member Since: 1/1/2011
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Originally posted by Haus_of_Nicole
And there's one more thing I MUST add.
BTW isn't just going to be a bump in the road from which Gaga will be able to recover. It's the beginning of the end for her as a pop powerhouse. As stated in the OP, the problem comes from her - she's simply too arrogant now. In a way she reminds me of Xtina, who looked down her nose at her debut album, tried to aim for something "superior," and lost more and more fans with each album until she eventually flopped into reality TV oblivion.
Gaga's arrogance and need for creative control is also keeping her from working with the top producers in the biz. Who's scoring the big pop hits lately? Pink, Katy, Ke$ha, Rihanna, Britney. Is there anything particularly special about them? No, but they work with the very best: the aggressively commercial Max Martin, Dr Luke, Stargate. They wouldn't even exist without them. It's a wonder Gaga even made it this far without their help. And don't mention Adele as an exception because she's not - 21 was crafted by a slick team of top-notch Top 40 producers without which she'd now be devouring flipping burgers in some London pub. Pop music is nothing without powerhouse producers, no matter how talented you are or how big your voice is. So while the other girls sacrifice creative control (you saw that Dr Luke article - he runs his girls like an iron-fisted pimp) in favor of massive hits, Gaga invites her bad kid friends to play around with '90s synthesizers and craft 12-minute songs around her vague Mother Monster lyrics. Does she think she can compete by putting unknown flops like Fernando and DJWS at the helm? Based on BTW, she lacks the vision needed to guide smaller/unknown producers into making great songs that are both commercial and fresh. So it's best to leave it to the experts and be willing to share the credit with them.
Sure, a triumphant pop album full of empowering anthems and deep religious messages would have been amazing. But BTW is not that album. So the problem isn't that Gaga changed...it's that she changed and headed in a direction that she couldn't handle. When you look like you don't know what the **** you're doing, it's a sign that you're better off sticking to the formula that worked for you.  |
Don't be so jealous Nicole, we both know that Chrissy's your secret obsession. That's why you stopped stanning for Ms.Germanotta, isn't it? 
But, farewell Haus_of_Nicole.
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Member Since: 4/19/2008
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This is so dramatic.
This is my take on GaGa's massive evolution.
GaGa's vision are different. If you're a true fan you should know that she's not a typical artist. Since the beginning of her career she has this different view on everything that she's doing and it is phenomenal. If you ask me, I love the evolution. It's the one that separates her from the pack. I know I would receive hateful comments by saying this; but she's like the Michael Jackson of this generation. What do they have in common? They both experiment on various themes. BTW made me really think that she is this generation's MJ.
I love how GaGa went from fun to dark to anthemic. It's epic. I thought I was ready for all the evolution from TF to TFM and then from TFM to BTW, but I wasn't. I was still overly amazed. It was really massive and, again, it's epic.
Lemme finish by saying that I do not really stan for GaGa, but I love her and her music, and I hate that fact that some people are hard on her just because they think it's not her anymore. It's still her, you just didn't not see it from the beginning. When she was starting to become huge and we were starting to see more of her, she already made that shout-out that she's gonna be "epicly" different and good. Now, we are living with that fact.
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Member Since: 6/26/2010
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Originally posted by FameHooker
And I'm tired of her Mother Monster thing. I'm gay and I'm not a ****ing freak that needs to be protected like it is some kind of puppy.
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Member Since: 1/22/2011
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Originally posted by Haus_of_Nicole
That's the problem with a lot of Gaga fans - they think that just because her music isn't about clubs and partying anymore, it's automatically superior. But it's now just overlong and over-produced, with nonsensical lyrics you can't even hear and without big catchy hooks. So yes, I'll take fun, commercial music over that. If she had made amazing "meaningful" songs like Like A Prayer, of course I would have taken that over the fun but generic Dr Luke ****. But she didn't.
I don't love any of the songs, but the standout tracks to me are **** (or whatever it's called), Bloody Mary, Heavy Metal Lovers and Electric Chapel.
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so you think like a prayer was an instant proclaimed iconic song
it took years for people to even really like and accept the song
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Member Since: 8/15/2010
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Originally posted by riskbreaker
This is so dramatic.
This is my take on GaGa's massive evolution.
GaGa's vision are different. If you're a true fan you should know that she's not a typical artist. Since the beginning of her career she has this different view on everything that she's doing and it is phenomenal. If you ask me, I love the evolution. It's the one that separates her from the pack. I know I would receive hateful comments by saying this; but she's like the Michael Jackson of this generation. What do they have in common? They both experiment on various themes. BTW made me really think that she is this generation's MJ.
I love how GaGa went from fun to dark to anthemic. It's epic. I thought I was ready for all the evolution from TF to TFM and then from TFM to BTW, but I wasn't. I was still overly amazed. It was really massive and, again, it's epic.
Lemme finish by saying that I do not really stan for GaGa, but I love her and her music, and I hate that fact that some people are hard on her just because they think it's not her anymore. It's still her, you just didn't not see it from the beginning. When she was starting to become huge and we were starting to see more of her, she already made that shout-out that she's gonna be "epicly" different and good. Now, we are living with that fact.
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Yas.
Anyhow, this is nothing personal Nicole, it is not that I don't like you, it is because of your contridictory post.
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Member Since: 3/4/2011
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Since I have not given much of my opinion on BTW since it's come out, I guess I'll use this thread as a means to do so:
I honestly prefer Born This Way over anything she's put out, and I would rather her make noncommercial music that she is genuinely pleased with rather than making songs that will simply sell and climb the charts. Before Gaga, I was one of those pretentious assholes who refused to listen to anything mainstream, so the more Gaga becomes "noncommercial" the more I will be secretly pleased. Commercial generally = ****** and shallow. Born This Way is full of the tongue in cheek humor Gaga has always been about and it's fun and deep at the same time. Example of humor? "Dirty pony, I can't wait to hose you down." Only Gaga could make a song about kinky leather bondage involving "water sports" into one of my favorite songs of all time. Although I love the album, I can understand why it's not everyones' cup of tea, but it is definitely not as horrid as some people think it is.
And that, my friends, was my irrelevant opinion.
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Member Since: 6/10/2009
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I disagree totally. You all's problem is you wanted Gaga to stay one dimensional and she's not having that. There's only but so many dances songs you can sing about the same ****.
She evolved as an artist and his broadening her horizon.
I knew this day was gonna come and I was honestly waiting for it. Like with any artists you make fans on your first album but if you're a true artist you're gonna lose the fake fans as you grown and evolve. If you can't accept her evolution I dont see you as a true fan.
To say this is not a pop album is lie. Goldfrapp doesnt always make the catchiest music but they're considered pop through and through.
This album is ****ing amazing and totally different from whats out there today. The hooks are still big, the songs are still catchy, and her voice is so much better.
I'm glad some people are hopping off the Gaga train... they wont be missed. 
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Member Since: 6/10/2009
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Originally posted by FierceBitch
so you think like a prayer was an instant proclaimed iconic song
it took years for people to even really like and accept the song
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THIS.
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Member Since: 6/10/2009
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Originally posted by lolzjustinwat
Since I have not given much of my opinion on BTW since it's come out, I guess I'll use this thread as a means to do so:
I honestly prefer Born This Way over anything she's put out, and I would rather her make noncommercial music that she is genuinely pleased with rather than making songs that will simply sell and climb the charts. Before Gaga, I was one of those pretentious assholes who refused to listen to anything mainstream, so the more Gaga becomes "noncommercial" the more I will be secretly pleased. Commercial generally = ****** and shallow. Born This Way is full of the tongue in cheek humor Gaga has always been about and it's fun and deep at the same time. Example of humor? "Dirty pony, I can't wait to hose you down." Only Gaga could make a song about kinky leather bondage involving "water sports" into one of my favorite songs of all time. Although I love the album, I can understand why it's not everyones' cup of tea, but it is definitely not as horrid as some people think it is.
And that, my friends, was my irrelevant opinion.
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I totally agree. I'm glad I'm not the only one. People have been bitching about Gaga's "evolution" ever since hmmm the release of the covers for TFM.
People made the mistake of falling in love with someone off of ONE image. But had she continued to be "The Fame" Gaga her entire career it wouldnt last long AT ALL. She's not here for that. She's here to be remembered and go down in history.
I'm glad she's taking risks because playing it safe is boring nowadays in the boring music industry.
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Member Since: 9/25/2001
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Aren't you like, 20 years old or something??  Half of your life has had ATRL in it  |
Yup, it's kinda unfortunate. LOL. I'll be 22 on June 15th.
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