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Album: Lady Gaga - 'Born This Way' (#2)
Member Since: 5/11/2011
Posts: 7,159
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This Bitch is going to do exacle what she did with the fame, she made pop dance radio friendly, now she is going to make experimental pop, mainstream who else! AND THE WORLD WILL HAVE TO DEAL WITH IT! THE POWE OF GAGA alexz2: BTW Scheibe is going to be an international hit, everybody loves it, even haters, fobos, machos with big egos will sing "When I’m on a mission I rebuke my condition, If you’re a strong female, You don’t need permission", and the oh oh oh are ****ing orgasmic! make my ears *** like a tropical rain!  Ok i said enought, I'm new but I already Introduce myself a few hours ago, not everybody pay me attention but at difference of my fave i'm not an attention ***** lol JK! I LOVE THIS BITCH TILL DEAD! 
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Member Since: 3/6/2011
Posts: 9,523
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Originally posted by Remeese
I'm going to be nice and hold off on submitting in that report.  |
Looks like you need to take your head out your ass, it isn't that serious but do what thou wilt, i don't care.
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Member Since: 3/7/2011
Posts: 8,251
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Anyone else in love with Highway Unicorn? Just imagine playing that song at full volume while riding down an open road for miles and miles at 100 mph.
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Member Since: 5/27/2010
Posts: 37,025
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Is there anyone that can battle that bitch, Nicole, with an articulate argument proving her wrong?? she makes sooo much sense i cant even i dont want to believe but its soo true..  |
Lol.
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Member Since: 2/16/2010
Posts: 69,775
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Originally posted by benzene_dream
There's something for everyone. Old people can enjoy You and I, college kids can enjoy Bloody Mary, tweens can enjoy TEOG.
It's hard to pin it down to one demographic, which is why it's so polarizing.
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Originally posted by FameHooker
Same here! However, they loved Born This Way and TEOG.
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I agree. I can't wait to see how this is received. I am here for this smashing records so it should happen as I see fit.
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Member Since: 3/13/2011
Posts: 4,742
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I wrote a review:
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Born This Way has none of the charm and humanity of what made The Fame and to a lesser extent The Fame Monster interesting.
To understand all of the ways that Born This Way goes wrong we first have to find out how Gaga went oh so very right with her dual releases, The Fame and The Fame Monster. When The Fame was released in 2008, Gaga introduced herself to the world. She was the new bubbly popstar on the block and during a year period we got to know and enjoy this charming presence who made us blush with lines about 'disco sticks'. Gaga's Fame album had everything a pop record needed. It had sharp and engaging lyrics. Appealing vocal performances and most importantly a heart.
This heart could be heard in the way she captivatingly sang her hooks over soaring melodies and the pleasure, the pain, the longing, the melancholy and the bitchiness. She sounded ridiculously authentic and with it all she was genuinely funny.
Look no further then the bright soft disco laden Eh Eh (Nothing Else I Can Say) which told a story about a woman who fell out of love. Paparazzi, the strikingly poignant love song about the need for fame, or the quirky stuttering of Poker Face. There was something about Gaga that was just plain old endearing and fun. She made us 'Just Dance' with her music and it moved us because it was (or seemed to be) honest. It's that kind of heart that made her a kind of compelling figure even if she was quite odd.
With the Fame Monster we got a contrast to this. It was darker because of the source material. Instead of being serenaded with thoughts of Gaga's dreams and hopes for the seemingly ubiquitously titled Fame we delved deeper into her subconscious to find her fears, vulnerabilities and personal pains. We found out some pet peeves (Telephone), her fear of intimacy (Monster), and familial dramas (Speechless). With the dual onslaught of the Fame and the Fame Monster we were able to learn about the figure head of Gaga and even if this was a machination/fabrication it didn't really matter. It was the lie that we all believed and bought into quite easily due to her conviction.
The premise in general is a pretty interesting one and the intriguing idea and concept album is gimmicky enough to sell. The hopes-dreams and fears-nightmares of a young girl within her youthful 20's is an extremely viable and understandable message. In the end it makes complete sense why the album and the EP worked well off of one another and tripled the sales of the host album. Combined the albums give you a full profile of a starlet who was one of the more interesting personalities in the past 8 years.
Unfortunately with Born This Way it's like she has completely lost sight of who she is, or at the very least her former musical persona which brought her all she has. It's that painful loss of insight which makes the album almost completely disagreeable. Musically the album goes through it's highs and lows like any other.
There are the self-important empowerment anthems and the romanticized love songs (Marry The Night, Edge Of Glory, Hair, Born This Way, Schebie, You and I) that make up a nice chunk of the disc. Then there are the darker tracks that seem to detail all kinds of personal depravity including sex and emotionally damaging relationships (Heavy Metal Lover, Government Hooker, Judas, Bad Kids). As you can see there is a rather harmful conflict that emerges which would be an interesting idea. The notion of loving yourself and then choosing to put yourself in situations where you aren't loved is a volatile dichotomy and it would all work, if it didn't seem all so very empty.
It's not just the hooks which lack a bite to these songs as much as it feels like reckless pandering to an outside audience. It doesn't feel real or honest and that is a loss that can't be recovered on Born This Way.
The comment could be made that these songs are made for outsiders but the evocative connection to being an outside is never quite made by Gaga and the result creates a rather benign effort for such an aggressive pop tart. It's sad to watch her work so very hard for so little but it becomes more apparent with each listen.
That is not to say there isn't merit to her work. There are intriguing works to be found in the form of both Bloody Mary and Americano which take the benefits of Alejandro and Bad Romance from her EP and make stunning gold pieces out of them. But the highs are brief and the lows are stifling. In terms of voicing a message she clearly has a lot to say. But it comes out muffled by the production and the music which are both not as sharp as it needed to be for the self proclaimed 'record of the decade'.
Ultimately this isn't the album that the public may want from her and this deals with the major crux of the issue. Gaga has completely turned her back on what it means to be a pop star in a rather rude way. What happened to the heralded warrior who stated that 'pop music will never be low brow'? The album more or less feels like it's subverting the genre in a bid to be 'edgy' and what it ends up being is contrived. In that way the heavy handedness of the album is not unlike the returns from Aguilera (Stripped, 2002) and Clarkson (My December, 2007) who were also very eager to dismiss and erase the pop moniker from their past.
You can't deny that the album is ambitious and it certainly has it's own tone and mood. But it's personality is in all ways amorphous at it's best. This lack of center that comes with this album further illuminates Gaga's identity crisis. Born This Way is not a pop record, it's not a dance record. It's a rock record that masquerades itself into dance constraints as to not alarm and marginalize fans who enjoyed The Fame and The Fame Monster, the very people who made her a star.
In this bid for creativity the solid hooks and songwriting that made her previous records is sorely lost. It leaves you with three questions: where is the Gaga of the past? where can we find her? And more importantly when did Gaga stop having fun?
Stand Outs: Judas, Americano and Bloody Mary
2/5
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Member Since: 4/28/2011
Posts: 2,566
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Originally posted by VertigoStick
Not that anybody cares, but I'm 100% pleased with the album. This was put out to divide people/make fans turn away/question Gaga and what she's about. It's supposed to be everything that a POP ALBUM should NOT be, which is why I love her so much. Of course she's going to do things that people (even fans) don't agree with but almost always, there is opposition when things evolve. Gaga's going into a different direction, and this album shows that she is breaking all the rules of a pop album. The only reason Born This Way (album) will ever be defined as pop will be for its popularity...not for its "pop sound." I realize how little this means coming from a new member but I thought I'd throw it out there however immature/pathetic it may seem. Love.
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Member Since: 10/3/2010
Posts: 50,276
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Originally posted by Monroe
I wrote a review:
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Good thing I started from the Bottom
I'm Done.
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Member Since: 7/13/2010
Posts: 11,566
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Originally posted by Ømega
Is there anyone that can battle that bitch, Nicole, with an articulate argument against her?? she makes sooo much sense i cant even i dont want to believe but its soo true.. |
I mean, in all honesty, for every reason you can hate Gaga is a reason why you can love her. Its your choice on whether you want to perceive her as good intentioned, forward thinking in music, passionate in her message, etc. Or to perceive her actions as exploitive, her music as a cheap carbon copy, etc.
The people that will want to find hate will find hate. You can post a page long argument on why Gaga has peaked or w/e, but every one of those points can be equally supported and denied.
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Member Since: 8/16/2010
Posts: 15,137
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Originally posted by TheGeoKing
Good thing I started from the Bottom
I'm Done.
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You bothered to read that much? 
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Member Since: 11/2/2009
Posts: 19,838
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Originally posted by benzene_dream
Personally I don't like the album as much as I did last night after the hype wore off, but I still think it's a good album (I just wouldn't call it great. Looks like Kanye remains untouched as the best release of the past year for now ). I've never valued cohesiveness, since I rarely listen to tracks in order. Did I like the song? That's the only question I ask myself, and I found myself saying yes more than no. The rock edge is fine with me - I like theatrical, over the top rock bands like Within Temptation and Nightwish, so I welcome the change.
I've stated maaaaany times that this album will be polarizing, but I'll say it again for anyone who missed it: THIS ALBUM WILL BE POLARIZING. Do not be shocked when (yes, WHEN, not if) you see a lot of negative reviews. The fact is, this is not a pure pop album, and that's going to alienate some (maybe even a lot) of her audience. Gaga has enough clout right now that she can be somewhat experimental with her sound and still have commercial success - this is likely the only time in her career she'll have this opportunity, so she's taking advantage of it. From the album, I think some of it works and some of it doesn't, but ultimately I respect her for taking the risk.
I've found myself defending her a lot today. I like her a lot though I've never really considered myself a stan, but I guess I tire of hearing the same criticisms over and over, especially knowing that some of these critics have ulterior motives. 
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I agree with you there. I don't know why I was expecting something different from this album when I knew the direction it was going in, but I held a faith deep in my heart that this would be an album full of Judas' and Scheibes.
I'm quite split on how I feel about it at the moment, maybe a few more listens would help, but in no way is it a bad album. I commend her creativeness.
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Member Since: 10/5/2009
Posts: 137,162
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Originally posted by ViTiLiGO
Looks like you need to take your head out your ass, it isn't that serious but do what thou wilt, i don't care.
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You say it's not serious and yet you're telling me to die because of some unknown reason that is contained within the track list?
I see the bothered in you.
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ATRL Contributor
Member Since: 9/14/2010
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I like Born This Way b/c I love dance music and I like/tolerate rock.
If I were looking for Pop, this album is not it. It'll be interesting to see how it sits in mainstream.
Even now, Gaga's music sounds completely alternative and in it's own category than most on the radio 
..And apart from Born This Way (months of hype), hasn't most of the tracks shot #1 and slipped down?
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Member Since: 6/25/2010
Posts: 9,650
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Originally posted by Monroe
I wrote a review:
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Your review was...
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Member Since: 11/14/2009
Posts: 4,159
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Originally posted by benzene_dream
You bothered to read that much? |
There's no need to. Some peoples posts are already predictable
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ATRL Contributor
Member Since: 4/20/2011
Posts: 4,875
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Originally posted by L/\DY G/\G/\
I mean, in all honesty, for every reason you can hate Gaga is a reason why you can love her. Its your choice on whether you want to perceive her as good intentioned, forward thinking in music, passionate in her message, etc. Or to perceive her actions as exploitive, her music as a cheap carbon copy, etc.
The people that will want to find hate will find hate. You can post a page long argument on why Gaga has peaked or w/e, but every one of those points can be equally supported and denied.
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This. Some people act like they want to hate her.
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Member Since: 4/24/2011
Posts: 7,635
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Originally posted by VertigoStick
Not that anybody cares, but I'm 100% pleased with the album. This was put out to divide people/make fans turn away/question Gaga and what she's about. It's supposed to be everything that a POP ALBUM should NOT be, which is why I love her so much. Of course she's going to do things that people (even fans) don't agree with but almost always, there is opposition when things evolve. Gaga's going into a different direction, and this album shows that she is breaking all the rules of a pop album. The only reason Born This Way (album) will ever be defined as pop will be for its popularity...not for its "pop sound." I realize how little this means coming from a new member but I thought I'd throw it out there however immature/pathetic it may seem. Love.
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Member Since: 3/6/2011
Posts: 9,523
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Originally posted by Monroe
I wrote a review:
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From your grammar to the rating, it fails. TRY AGAIN.
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Member Since: 7/13/2010
Posts: 11,566
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Originally posted by Monroe
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I didnt read past the 2nd paragraph of your review. I dont think the things you said were true. About Gaga being a friendly presence in The Fame era/about The Fame having heart in its songs. I appreciate you backing up your stance on why the album should be rated that low though.
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