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News: Shootings/explosion in Paris
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Originally posted by Bad Kid.
ISIS literally posted a statement quoting the Quran and praising Allah and you wanna say religious extremism isn't to blame for this attack. 140+ people are dead, survivors are going to be traumatised and some may lose limbs from their injuries, and you're trying to deny the obvious that this wasn't done in the name of religion. You're all too afraid to say what it is, religious extremism, in case you offend some people.. people are dead, accept the driving force behind these attacks, religion.
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It's wild how the liberal media has forced everyone into silence about this. It needs to be called what it is: Islamic (or at least religious) based terrorism.
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You know Islam needs to be reevaluated when Muslims are killing each other every day in the Arabic world. they are intolerant between them so clearly there's something wrong with the values the religion spreads.
I'm obviously not saying every and each Muslim is radical or fundamentalist but this religion in particular is more open to misinterpretation than any other and that should be clear at this point.
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Originally posted by UAE
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Weird that the article you posted didn't mention certain hadeeth specifically call for the killing of apostates
Bukhari (84:57) - [In the words of] "Allah's Apostle, ' Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him.'"
Volume 9, Book 89, Number 271:
Narrated Abu Musa:
A man embraced Islam and then reverted back to Judaism. Mu'adh bin Jabal came and saw the man with Abu Musa. Mu'adh asked, "What is wrong with this (man)?" Abu Musa replied, "He embraced Islam and then reverted back to Judaism." Mu'adh said, "I will not sit down unless you kill him (as it is) the verdict of Allah and His Apostle
al-Muwatta of Imam Malik (36.18.15) - "The Messenger of Allah said, "If someone changes his religion - then strike off his head."
Reliance of the Traveller (Islamic Law) o8.1 - "When a person who has reached puberty and is sane voluntarily apostatizes from Islam, he deserves to be killed." (o8.4 affirms that there is no penalty for killing an apostate).
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And to say that ISIS are not religious is dumb, they literally enforce the strictest religious rules and laws in Syria. They are religious extremists.
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Originally posted by ianBK4
What is preventing ISIS in getting a nuclear bomb to kill their "enemies"?
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I just talked about this with my political science teacher due to the statement ISIS made when that Russian airplane was shot in Egypt. They said it was them even that is still unclear. He told me that he was so shocked by that statement and even doubted it because he thought it was unrealistic that they would own such dangerous weapons, weapons to shoot up airplanes.
We talked in class about that and yeah he told us you just can't "get" nuclear weapons, its impossible to just buy them on any black market. They can still buy uranium and the other needed chemicals if they have the required people.
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Originally posted by Saeju
The lowkey islamophobia and racism in this thread is disturbing. You're really just feeding into what ISIS wants.
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This is so so so important. Everyone needs to get this. I really fear the upcoming growing islamophobia, intolerance and racism because of yesterday's events, the refugee crisis and more ISIS talk. The right wing will win so many supporters, especially in France where the nationalist party is already SO established and supported. I already see it here in Germany too. I really see this as a huge problem.
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Originally posted by Gedamara
Weird that the article you posted didn't mention certain hadeeth specifically call for the killing of apostates
Bukhari (84:57) - [In the words of] "Allah's Apostle, 'Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him.'"
Volume 9, Book 89, Number 271:
Narrated Abu Musa:
A man embraced Islam and then reverted back to Judaism. Mu'adh bin Jabal came and saw the man with Abu Musa. Mu'adh asked, "What is wrong with this (man)?" Abu Musa replied, "He embraced Islam and then reverted back to Judaism." Mu'adh said, "I will not sit down unless you kill him (as it is) the verdict of Allah and His Apostle
al-Muwatta of Imam Malik (36.18.15) - "The Messenger of Allah said, "If someone changes his religion - then strike off his head."
Reliance of the Traveller (Islamic Law) o8.1 - "When a person who has reached puberty and is sane voluntarily apostatizes from Islam, he deserves to be killed." (o8.4 affirms that there is no penalty for killing an apostate).
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how can people take these statements seriously in this day and age?
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Originally posted by Bad Kid.
RELIGIOUS fanatical's. These people don't see Western muslims who have jobs for the government, as police, those who go to concerts or socialise in bars as real muslims, of course they don't care if they kill them, they see them the same as they see "non believers." ISIS literally quote the Quran and praise Allah in their statement of responsibility, even though they believe in a warped view of Islam, even though they are religious extremists, its still done in the name of religion.
Ali A. Rizvi @aliamjadrizvi
Full ISIS statement of responsibility for #Paris mentions "pagans," "crusaders," & quotes Quran, verses 59:2 & 63:8:
https://twitter.com/aliamjadrizvi/st...02037275451393
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So they don't see the majorirty of muslims in europe as real muslims, that should tell you how they don't represent the majority of muslims who practice their faith in peace. The fact that people would like to act like isis represents religion and not those who are living in peace is very saddening.
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Originally posted by rl231
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Interesting
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Originally posted by LetsParty
So they don't see the majorirty of muslims in europe as real muslims, that should tell you how they don't represent the majority of muslims who practice their faith in peace. The fact that people would like to act like isis represents religion and not those who are living in peace is very saddening.
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I never said the majority of muslims support them or their twisted ideology. The point is, they are religion fanatics, and this attack was caused by religion.
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Originally posted by LetsParty
Do you think the assholes cared who they killed? Muslim or not? They couldnt have cared less if they killed a muslim or anyone else. To say it was done in the name of religion is stupid, these are fanatics.
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No, they didn't care, because in their eyes, any Muslim who's not with them fighting this warped version of a Holy war, is not on their side. But to deny they had religious motivation is even more stupid and willfully ignorant. They are acting on their religious beliefs. Warped and misinterpreted? Maybe, but in their eyes, they're being good Muslims doing these extremist acts.
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Originally posted by Gedamara
Weird that the article you posted didn't mention certain hadeeth specifically call for the killing of apostates
Bukhari (84:57) - [In the words of] "Allah's Apostle, 'Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him.'"
Volume 9, Book 89, Number 271:
Narrated Abu Musa:
A man embraced Islam and then reverted back to Judaism. Mu'adh bin Jabal came and saw the man with Abu Musa. Mu'adh asked, "What is wrong with this (man)?" Abu Musa replied, "He embraced Islam and then reverted back to Judaism." Mu'adh said, "I will not sit down unless you kill him (as it is) the verdict of Allah and His Apostle
al-Muwatta of Imam Malik (36.18.15) - "The Messenger of Allah said, "If someone changes his religion - then strike off his head."
Reliance of the Traveller (Islamic Law) o8.1 - "When a person who has reached puberty and is sane voluntarily apostatizes from Islam, he deserves to be killed." (o8.4 affirms that there is no penalty for killing an apostate).
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The article clearly states:
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Minor apostasy is when a person embraces Islam while knowing its virtues and later rejects it. There is no legal punishment for the minor apostate as long as they do not try to physically harm the Muslim community. Major apostasy is when a person embraces Islam while knowing its virtues and later rejects it and adds to this a call for violent rebellion against the Muslim authorities. Such a crime is equivalent to high treason and in its most severe case can carry the death penalty as an act of self-defense for the community.
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Verily, those who believed and then disbelieved, then believed and then disbelieved and increased in disbelief, never will Allah forgive them nor will He guide them to a right way.
Surah An-Nisa 4:137
In this verse, Allah describes a person who apostates from Islam twice and He does not prescribe legal punishment for him, but rather He only warns the apostate about severe punishment in the Hereafter. This demonstrates that the general rule is an apostate should be left alone
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Originally posted by Bad Kid.
I never said the majority of muslims support them or their twisted ideology. The point is, they are religion fanatics, and this attack was caused by religion.
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Originally posted by Khal
No, they didn't care, because in their eyes, any Muslim who's not with them fighting this warped version of a Holy war, is not on their side. But to deny they had religious motivation is even more stupid and willfully ignorant. They are acting on their religious beliefs. Warped and misinterpreted? Maybe, but in their eyes, they're being good Muslims doing these extremist acts.
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My point is they do not represent islam.Here are just some ways in how isis is completely contradictory to islam and muslim teachings:
They might be following a religion, but it sure as hell aint islam
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Originally posted by Bad Kid.
RELIGIOUS fanatical's. These people don't see Western muslims who have jobs for the government, as police, those who go to concerts or socialise in bars as real muslims, of course they don't care if they kill them, they see them the same as they see "non believers." ISIS literally quote the Quran and praise Allah in their statement of responsibility, even though they believe in a warped view of Islam, even though they are religious extremists, its still done in the name of religion.
Ali A. Rizvi @aliamjadrizvi
Full ISIS statement of responsibility for #Paris mentions "pagans," "crusaders," & quotes Quran, verses 59:2 & 63:8:
https://twitter.com/aliamjadrizvi/st...02037275451393
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59: 2 " It is He Who got out the Unbelievers among the People of the Book from their homes at the first gathering (of the forces). Little did ye think that they would get out: And they thought that their fortresses would defend them from Allah! But the (Wrath of) Allah came to them from quarters from which they little expected (it), and cast terror into their hearts, so that they destroyed their dwellings by their own hands and the hands of the Believers, take warning, then, O ye with eyes (to see)!"
What has this verse to do with the Paris attacks? It can't be from the Quran since the Islamic State apparently has nothing to do with Islam, so it must be from The God Delusion
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Originally posted by LetsParty
My point is they do not represent islam.Here are just some ways in how isis is completely contradictory to islam and muslim teachings:
They might be following a religion, but it sure as hell aint islam
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Could you please provide the corresponding Quranic verses or hadeeth for those claims, and give us proof that ISIS acted contrary to those?
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Originally posted by LetsParty
They might be following a religion, but it sure as hell aint islam
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They claim to be muslims. They follow the strictest muslim laws that most muslims even in Islamic countries don't completely follow. They are muslims, they identify as muslims, they follow Islam.. that makes this islamic terrorism.
It's like if Christians followed the Old Testament as used God's wicked behaviour then to justify doing terrible things because God did them. They'd still be called (or should be), christian extremists.
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Originally posted by UAE
The article clearly states:
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Nice try. You clearly didn't read the hadeeth. In the second one they merely killed a jew from converting from Islam to Judaism. And none of the hadeeth mention the ridiculous concepts of "minor" and "major" apostasy
Find me ONE instance of the mention of "minor" and "major" apostasy in the Quran or hadeeth? You don't really expect me to believe some made-up concepts made up unless you provide a source?
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Originally posted by rl231
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Wow, well this makes a lot more sense now.
Thank god security caught them...
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Originally posted by Gedamara
Could you please provide the corresponding Quranic verses or hadeeth for those claims, and give us proof that ISIS acted contrary to those?
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Here you go
http://www.lettertobaghdadi.com/
You can read the full book there and it explains everything clearly how they go against islam
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let me not @ those people that seriously deny that the ISs beliefs arent based on the original islamic views..
no one should blame peacefully living muslims but denying that is plain dumb sorry
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