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News: Migrant crisis in EU: AUT to build fence on border with SLO
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Originally posted by Rihab95
I'm talking about building fences and the police using water guns to keep them away from your borders. If they don't want to stay but just pass through your country then what's the point of all of that?
The quota IS coming and some refugees WILL end up in Hungary, Poland, Czech Republic or wherever. And they'll deal with it because they'll still be better off than where they came from. At least the ones who truly fled from war. The rest can go home.
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You might have a point if it wasn't used against a group of hundreds of them trying to break down the fence and throwing bricks at the police over the fence to let them in illegally, because they didn't want to go to the legal passing points and register. Riots are always dealt with tear gas and water guns, that's the humane and European way. Pretty sure they would just shoot you in the East in this situation. If they start using violence against the police, what are the police supposed to do? Stand by and watch? They have to protect themselves and enforce the rules, there's no way to en force them without using non-lethal force.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-LD2BGT26qI
The Hungarian government has every right to say that they do not want economic immigrants entering their borders, even if they don't want to stay. If a dozen 25 year old healthy homeless men came to your house and told you that they want to walk through your house into your backyard, you closed the door and they start trying to kick your door down and break in your windows, what would you do? Would using pepper spray be inhumane?
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Originally posted by Rihab95
Iwhat's the point of all of that?
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It's called European LAW. 
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Originally posted by Rihab95
I'm talking about building fences and the police using water guns to keep them away from your borders. If they don't want to stay but just pass through your country then what's the point of all of that?
The quota IS coming and some refugees WILL end up in Hungary, Poland, Czech Republic or wherever. And they'll deal with it because they'll still be better off than where they came from. At least the ones who truly fled from war. The rest can go home.
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That's great and all but they will be in Germany in no time anyway.
They do not WANT to be in those countries.
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Originally posted by GypsyLife
Finland is also not good enough:
Iraqis on Facebook warn compatriots against coming to Finland
Members of a popular Iraqi Facebook page have been posting messages relating to their experiences as migrants in Finland. In one cellphone video posted on the page three Iraqi men advise their compatriots in Arabic:
The trio also bemoans a lack of clothing, high prices and small meal sizes in reception centres in addition to bad employment opportunities.
Another video on the page features a man called Mustafa standing outside the reception centre on Kaarlenkatu in Helsinki.
http://yle.fi/uutiset/iraqis_on_face...inland/8321293
It is more elaborate in Finnish, any Finns here?
http://yle.fi/uutiset/irakilaiset_va...auheaa/8320618 |
Those posts say nothing against Finland or Finns and don't even make sense. You should take a break at this point. 
And agree with @Rihab95, those countries doing their harst will have to take the quota and that's it.
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Germany can't force a quota on countries where 92% of the population is against immigration. Their life would be horrible anyway, they can't learn Hungarian, they'd have crap jobs, and would be hated by everyone.
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Originally posted by Codex
Germany can't force a quota on countries where 92% of the population is against immigration. Their life would be horrible anyway, they can't learn Hungarian, they'd have crap jobs, and would be hated by everyone.
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The quota system makes no sense because of the migrants themselves not because people are against migration in the EU. They would not be hated by everyone Hungary that's a massive exaggeration, but it's true they would earn much less than Hungarians who earn already a lot less than those in Western Europe.
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Originally posted by Jicky
It's called European LAW. |
I don't think so. Source? 
You're right about throwing bricks at the police, that's a no-go. But the fence (the reason why they were throwing bricks in the first place) infringes both the 1951 Refugee Convention and the European Convention on Human Rights. 
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Originally posted by Rihab95
I don't think so. Source?
You're right about throwing bricks at the police, that's a no-go. But the fence (the reason why they were throwing bricks in the first place) infringes both the 1951 Refugee Convention and the European Convention on Human Rights. |
Sorry just following an example from Calais, and Spain's North African Territories. Both had fences up before the Hungarian one.
We the Hungarians think it's in accordance with European Law to protect the borders of Europe from migrants who do not want to cooperate, and cross borders illegally refusing to register their asylum claims in the first country they arrive. The implementation of the fence is following other European examples and are according to European Law and the Shengen Agreement.
If people think otherwise they should sue us but sue the Brits and the Spanish first!
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Member Since: 6/9/2012
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Originally posted by Codex
Germany can't force a quota on countries where 92% of the population is against immigration. Their life would be horrible anyway, they can't learn Hungarian, they'd have crap jobs, and would be hated by everyone.
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That's better than lacking of safety or food in your own homeland. There's no way the EU sends Syrians back so every country has to take part in. France an Germany can't take them all alone, that's not how the EU works.
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Originally posted by Codex
Germany can't force a quota on countries where 92% of the population is against immigration. Their life would be horrible anyway, they can't learn Hungarian, they'd have crap jobs, and would be hated by everyone.
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Germany can't, the EU can... They are already threatening with fines if countries don't accept a certain number of immigrants
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Originally posted by Rihab95
I don't think so. Source?
You're right about throwing bricks at the police, that's a no-go. But the fence (the reason why they were throwing bricks in the first place) infringes both the 1951 Refugee Convention and the European Convention on Human Rights. |
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"The Contracting States shall not impose penalties, on account of their illegal entry or presence, on refugees who, coming directly from a territory where their life or freedom was threatened in the sense of article 1, enter or are present in their territory without authorization, provided they present themselves without delay to the authorities and show good cause for their illegal entry or presence.
"No Contracting State shall expel or return ('refouler') a refugee in any manner whatsoever to the frontiers of territories where his life or freedom would be threatened on account of his race, religion, nationality, membership of a particular social or political opinion"
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Serbia =/= Syria, therefore they are not coming from direct threat, they are perfectly safe in Serbia, meaning they don't have the right to illegal entry. No matter what, there is no way to justify throwing rocks and bricks at police. Using tear gas and water cannons is the only response to that.
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And what is gonna happen when the migrants who get placed in Slovakia or Bulgaria or Romania don't just DEAL WITH IT and continue to illegaly reach Germany? They keep getting tossed back and forth from Germany to whichever EU country they got there from?
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Originally posted by Jicky
Sorry just following an example from Calais, and Spain's North African Territories. Both had fences up before the Hungarian one.
We the Hungarians think it's in accordance with European Law to protect the borders of Europe from migrants who do not want to cooperate, and cross borders illegally refusing to register their asylum claims in the first country they arrive. The implementation of the fence is following other European examples and are according to European Law and the Shengen Agreement.
If people think otherwise they should sue us but sue the Brits and the Spanish first!
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What do you expect when Spain has two cities totally sorrounded by Morocco in North Africa, the fences were made years ago. Those are illegal immmigrants, not refugees, anyway, that's what the thing is about. Spain is actually taking refugees entering Spain through sea, and is getting one of the biggest quotas. 
Hungary is rejecting them, and also paying dust to Europe.
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Originally posted by XXXO
What do you expect when Spain has two cities totally sorrounded by Morocco in North Africa, the fences were made years ago. Those are illegal immmigrants, not refugees, anyway, that's what the thing is about. Spain is actually taking refugees entering Spain through sea, and is getting one of the biggest quotas.
Hungary is rejecting them, and also paying dust to Europe. |
Between April and June 128 people received refugee status in Hungary, in addition to that currently there are about 3000 people with refugee status living in Hungary.
We also had 33 199 first registrations in April to June alone. Between end of last year and today the numbers are over 100K. These people are too mostly illegal economic migrants and they should have been registered in Greece in the first place or remain in Turkey or Lebanon as a matter of fact. No wonder our Cabinet is pissed with the Croatians who do not register noone but are pushing everyone through Hungary or Slovenia.
This quota thing is ridiculous.
In case Germany decides to drop these people out they all will be returned to Hungary as per EU Law since they were registered here first. We potentially will have to deal with over 100k migrants if they are refused elsewhere. With this in mind you can probably understand why Hungary is so against quotas. Our immigration system is already overwhelmed by passersby immigrants, the quotas would give us even more to deal with!
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But guys don't you get it, they do not want to stay in Cental or Eastern Europe. Which is also why they so against registration in those countries cause they will be sent back if they do.
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Croatia is registering everyone who comes in from Serbia...they give their names, fingerprints and are photographed
Heard it on their news today
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Originally posted by AnneBoleyn
Croatia is registering everyone who comes in from Serbia...they give their names, fingerprints and are photographed
Heard it on their news today
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Wow, finally. I have my doubt though...
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Originally posted by LuLuDrops
The original plan, France and Germany expected to take in 26%:
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this is the old plan right? don't think putting poland this high is a good idea considering the hooligans and all that  also i think the amount of real syrians that only want germany or sweden is exaggerated on here cause i think many of those are not syrians to begin with but maybe i am wrong :/ if they really are that many i don't see the system working however
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Originally posted by rockabella
this is the old plan right? don't think putting poland this high is a good idea considering the hooligans and all that also i think the amount of real syrians that only want germany or sweden is exaggerated on here cause i think many of those are not syrians to begin with but maybe i am wrong :/ if they really are that many i don't see the system working however |
I believe these were the quotas that Central Europe ended up rejecting and has the West fuming. The next EU summit cannot come quickly enough.
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