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Discussion: The most manufactured pop star
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Originally posted by Sinister
i just read the entire thread and Britney is mentioned way more
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I saw more Beyoncé but anyway it's okay I think that everyone agrees with me that Beyoncé and Britney are on the same level of manfuctured star, I think Beyoncé still wins tho. This forum makes more sense than I honestly thought.
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Queen X is the realest foso.
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Originally posted by Trent W
I saw more Beyoncé but anyway it's okay I think that everyone agrees with me that Beyoncé and Britney are on the same level of manfuctured star, I think Beyoncé still wins tho. This forum makes more sense than I honestly thought.
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They both have their huge teams but what it comes down to is which one is more a fabrication. We can forget about their personal lives or what people say or think about them. That is entirely irrelevant.
We should be focusing on their careers because that is what is manufactured. In looking at which of the two is most fabricated, it's easily Britney. It's not her voice you hear when she's in concert, and it's even occasionally not even her voice you hear on her songs. She's an idea, she's Britney. She represents pop music because she is the perfect popstar. Beyoncé is gritty, organic and perfect in a different way, namely how consistently fierce and how good of a performer she is.
To put it simply, if you have two singers, one with a minimal voice, and one with a big voice, which one are you going to have to add more to, in order to create a superstar? That would be the one who is more manufactured, and that would be Britney.
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Originally posted by Trent W
I saw more Beyoncé but anyway it's okay I think that everyone agrees with me that Beyoncé and Britney are on the same level of manfuctured star, I think Beyoncé still wins tho. This forum makes more sense than I honestly thought.
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You're literally the only one who thinks that LMFAO
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Can someone just make a damned poll and we can end all this back and forth bickering?
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Originally posted by Rei
People saying Britney Spears 
She's the kind of artist that goes out wearing wal-mart clothes I mean 
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Yet gets glammed up in clothes that were chosen for her when her label tells her to do so for all her manufactured events. You're just enforcing it even more,
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Originally posted by swissman
They both have their huge teams but what it comes down to is which one is more a fabrication. We can forget about their personal lives or what people say or think about them. That is entirely irrelevant.
We should be focusing on their careers because that is what is manufactured. In looking at which of the two is most fabricated, it's easily Britney. It's not her voice you hear when she's in concert, and it's even occasionally not even her voice you hear on her songs. She's an idea, she's Britney. She represents pop music because she is the perfect popstar. Beyoncé is gritty, organic and perfect in a different way, namely how consistently fierce and how good of a performer she is.
To put it simply, if you have two singers, one with a minimal voice, and one with a big voice, which one are you going to have to add more to, in order to create a superstar? That would be the one who is more manufactured, and that would be Britney.
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Manufactured is more than what is brought in a concert. Britney has her performance skills, always has and still does. Bey is not a trained dancer, while Brit is. So don't act like beyonce's okay voice automatically disqualifies her from being labeled as manufactured.
She public image is and always has been so restrained as to what information is out there about her, including those stupid pictures from the SuperBowl that only became a big deal bc she insisted they be "Removed from the internet."
So you can go ahead and, like a typical bey fan, ignore the fact that the world views bey as "too perfect" and say that Britney is more manufactured, but Britney is the one with hundreds of unreleased songs she's written while bey stays claiming songwriting lyrics to seem as if she's not manufactured, when in reality her entire career has been laid out.
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Britney & Katy
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Originally posted by Rei
People saying Britney Spears
She's the kind of artist that goes out wearing wal-mart clothes I mean
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That just makes her HUMBLE 
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Originally posted by ImmaSlave4u
Manufactured is more than what is brought in a concert. Britney has her performance skills, always has and still does. Bey is not a trained dancer, while Brit is. So don't act like beyonce's okay voice automatically disqualifies her from being labeled as manufactured.
She public image is and always has been so restrained as to what information is out there about her, including those stupid pictures from the SuperBowl that only became a big deal bc she insisted they be "Removed from the internet."
So you can go ahead and, like a typical bey fan, ignore the fact that the world views bey as "too perfect" and say that Britney is more manufactured, but Britney is the one with hundreds of unreleased songs she's written while bey stays claiming songwriting lyrics to seem as if she's not manufactured, when in reality her entire career has been laid out.
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But can you explain how being viewed as "too perfect" means you are manufactured? That just is an opinion of someone, not a fact. For example, a goodie-goodie at a high school can be called too perfect. Are they manufactured too? And as far as I've seen, the world views Beyoncé as flawless, not "too perfect" as that implies a negative connotation and yet the public and media are always praising her.
And yes Britney has her dancing, but are these singers or dancers? These are not cheerleaders and as such, singing is more important than dancing. So how does having a good voice and not having to rely on huge spectacles to entertain your audience mean that you're more manufactured than someone that does? Has Britney ever once slayed a song sitting in one spot, doing nothing but what she is meant to do as a singer: sing? And if so, how often has she done it? I understand a popstar is so much more than that, but all that extra that is what a popstar is … is manufactured costumes, sets, dance moves, etc. If you need all this stuff, then you're manufactured. If you don't then it's just extra.
Also there must be a reason Britney has hundreds of unreleased songs she wrote, right?
Lastly, if you think Beyoncé has an okay voice, what word would you describe Britney's as?
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Originally posted by ImmaSlave4u
Manufactured is more than what is brought in a concert. Britney has her performance skills, always has and still does. Bey is not a trained dancer, while Brit is. So don't act like beyonce's okay voice automatically disqualifies her from being labeled as manufactured.
She public image is and always has been so restrained as to what information is out there about her, including those stupid pictures from the SuperBowl that only became a big deal bc she insisted they be "Removed from the internet."
So you can go ahead and, like a typical bey fan, ignore the fact that the world views bey as "too perfect" and say that Britney is more manufactured, but Britney is the one with hundreds of unreleased songs she's written while bey stays claiming songwriting lyrics to seem as if she's not manufactured, when in reality her entire career has been laid out.
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You clocked swissman 
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Originally posted by Lethal
You're literally the only one who thinks that LMFAO
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I still see the majority brining Bey and Britney, and Bey a bit more read the thread...
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The difference is Beyonce has a huge input in her career, she has a say as to where she wants her career to go and what she wants to do and achieve. Britney....not do much, everyone makes the decisions for her.
So yes while Beyoncé has a great team doing things for her, she's the one steering the wheel, not the other way around like Britney who just does what her team tells her to do.
How can a woman who manages herself be manufactured? 
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Originally posted by swissman
But can you explain how being viewed as "too perfect" means you are manufactured? That just is an opinion of someone, not a fact. For example, a goodie-goodie at a high school can be called too perfect. Are they manufactured too? And as far as I've seen, the world views Beyoncé as flawless, not "too perfect" as that implies a negative connotation and yet the public and media are always praising her.
And yes Britney has her dancing, but are these singers or dancers? These are not cheerleaders and as such, singing is more important than dancing. So how does having a good voice and not having to rely on huge spectacles to entertain your audience mean that you're more manufactured than someone that does? Has Britney ever once slayed a song sitting in one spot, doing nothing but what she is meant to do as a singer: sing? And if so, how often has she done it? I understand a popstar is so much more than that, but all that extra that is what a popstar is … is manufactured costumes, sets, dance moves, etc. If you need all this stuff, then you're manufactured. If you don't then it's just extra.
Also there must be a reason Britney has hundreds of unreleased songs she wrote, right?
Lastly, if you think Beyoncé has an okay voice, what word would you describe Britney's as?
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Yes, there is. Britney wanted to release album called Original Doll , but she was alone against the record label. She even premiered Mona Lisa on radio, but soon after it was scrapped like the whole album. Also one of the reasons why album was cancelled was her first pregnancy.
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Originally posted by swissman
singing is more important than dancing.
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That's not true, those are 2 different talents equally important. And don't even try to argue on that cause Britney built the biggest career a female can have this century by performing her iconic dance routines.
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It's basically what Britney is remembered for
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Originally posted by swissman
I can see why people say Beyoncé but her level has been something she's strived for since she was a child. In that way she has manufactured a star, but she is also the CEO of her own production company at this point. She is very involved and for all the PR and branding efforts she does, at the end of it she is still much more than a single product that was created by label masterminds. She is a bonafide talent that was brought to stardom through her father, and made even more famous after splitting with him to manage her own career. When I think manufactured I think of executives in a board room looking for the next hot thing, not a girl who has worked her whole life to get where she is.
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SAY THAT !!!
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Originally posted by Trent W
That's not true, those are 2 different talents equally important. And don't even try to argue on that cause Britney built the biggest career a female can have this century by performing her iconic dance routines.
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Are you being serious?
How are singing and dancing as equally as important? Did Ella Fitzgerald dance? Did Whitney? Celine? Mariah? Diana? Patti? Aretha? Barbra Streisand? Carole King? etc…..
Even if we just restrict this to what we consider a traditional popstar, Rihanna hardly dances and she gets hit after hit. Dancing is just extra. It's not a requirement. What do all these people have in common? They all sing. They don't all dance. The importance is without a doubt on singing and saying otherwise is delusion.
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Originally posted by °ColdFire°
Yes, there is. Britney wanted to release album called Original Doll , but she was alone against the record label. She even premiered Mona Lisa on radio, but soon after it was scrapped like the whole album.
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Ya that was my point though. Mona Lisa isn't a great song.
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