I understand that. People were trying to say that Rihanna'd career is basically credited to Beyoncé and all that she has done previously musically. I don't get the comparison as their music has never really been the same. People have a hard time swallowing that Beyoncé doesn't own Rihanna and that they are two seperate individuals.
Ah okay. I didn't read the entire leadup.
I think it's obvious how Beyonce has inspired Rihanna though, at least from the start. Now she is her own brand though. Even when she was styled as Beyonce 2.0 their music was very different. It was more the marketing and the imagery I think as far as similarities go.
This. Her singing style has absolutely shifted the way many approach delivery in R&B uptempos. Some had kind of played around and toyed with variations of rap singing, but no one had quite done it the way Bey did in her DC vocals:
There are no examples of anyone singing in such a way prior to DC. The closest would be MJ on "Jam" and Mariah on "Breakdown" and even those aren't quite like what Bey introduced. She was absolutely the first to do it in the way that she did which is why she is primarily credited with its popularization. If you listen to the rap singing that is all over the place in R&B today, it doesn't sound like MJ's aggressive scatty staccato on Jam nor does it sound like the super fast melodic Bone Thugs flow Mariah mimicked on Breakdown, it falls directly in line with the signature style created by Bey that was DC's trademark sound.
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The genius of Beyonce, as with any great artist, begins with the aspects of her music that have stylistically set her apart, and thus influenced her peers. Like Mary J. Blige and Lauryn Hill before her, Beyonce mixes Soul and R&B with elements of Hip Hop in a way that is neither forced nor haphazard. She can move seamlessly and assuredly between both aesthetically, attaining a certain level of believability that someone like Amerie never seems to reach in that arena. The core of what makes Beyonce’s take on Hip Hop/Soul so unique is her hiccupping, rapid-fire vocal style. Rather than going the Mary J. route, and basically utilizing a classically Soulful vocal style over Hip Hop-inflected beats, or the L-Boogie route, and both singing and rapping masterfully (but separately), Beyonce combines the two, delivering her soulful, R&B vocals in a stuttering, rhythmic fashion that almost sounds like rapping. Though Mariah Carey flirted with this style on her 1997 album Butterfly (particularly with “Breakdown,” her collaboration with Bone Thugs n’ Harmony), Beyonce clearly perfected it; she rides beats the way a rapper does, but never gets lost, staying focused and firmly on pitch. This was the key to the success of Destiny’s Child; heavily influenced by TLC (in which it was Left Eye’s job to convey the trio’s connection to Hip Hop vocally), the group improved upon their model by blurring the line between R&B and Rap vocals. The group’s debut single, the Wyclef Jean-remixed “No, No, No,” is a prime example of this, where Beyonce sings almost impossibly fast, while retaining a soulful delivery, melisma and all.
Here's examples of common hip hop influenced R&B/Urban uptempo delivery -- in most cases the hip hop connection was introduced via a featuring rapper and the vocals are traditionally melodic as opposed to rhythmic.
1998/1997:
Now let's look at some other uptempos by the same artist after DC achieved a string of hits with their unique singing style --
The vocals are much faster and sharper with choppy staccato phrasing, the vocals are rhythmic, follow the beat more closely instead of flowing slowly and melodically with more elongated notes over the beat:
2001/2004:
What Mariah did with melisma, Bey did with the rhythmic rap-singing and it's a staple delivery now in contemporary R&B up and mid-tempos.
Also, she further explored around with more unique things like doing uptempos with completely chord free, percussion only beats and hard hip hop tracks. That's another one that's become more and more common whereas it was virtually non-existent (with singers) prior to Bey.
This video explains quite a bit on that and how/why it's unique to her:
Damn... I was a little doubtful before, but now I believe she had a much heavier hand in this "rap-singing" vocal style than I thought. Had to bump/repost this holy clockage because it needs to be seen again
Oh look! Here's TLC rap-singing again. And also T-boz is rap-singing in the last vid I posted. Not rapping or singing.
This is NOT rap-singing. Tboz's voice has a nice hip hop flare to it and they used hip hop beats, but she is still singing melodically. Sing Creep, then sing No No No part 2. you will hear a difference in the vocal style.
I think it's obvious how Beyonce has inspired Rihanna though, at least from the start. Now she is her own brand though. Even when she was styled as Beyonce 2.0 their music was very different. It was more the marketing and the imagery I think as far as similarities go.
Well thanks for being the only person in this thread besides me with common sense lol
This is NOT rap-singing. Tboz's voice has a nice hip hop flare to it and they used hip hop beats, but she is still singing melodically. Sing Creep, then sing No No No part 2. you will hear a difference in the vocal style.
The whole bridge "Don't ya know that I'm gonna need some attention" is sung in the same style as No No No. Beyonce may be a millisecond faster, but it is the same style
It's basically deluded to say that any artist with 15+ years experience in the music industry while consistently being at the top in one way or another did not have an impact on pop music.
In what world is the twelfth most popular song of the year not popular? Would you say Pon de Replay was popular? Or SOS or Live Your Life Or Rude Boy? All of these were lower than #12 on the Billboard Year End lists they were included in.
Not to mention that even a semi-popular song that introduces a new style is always going to be the one who popularized that style, even if someone releases something a year later with the same style and it becomes a bigger hit. This is a fact. If this was not a fact then we would say that Katy Perry popularized Dr. Luke because she has had the biggest hit with him. But the fact is he was popular for a long time prior.
Either way Swiss they neither popularised it nor did they invent it. MJB, Lauryn Hill, Mariah, Usher, Boyz II Men, TLC, Brandy, Aaliyah all rapsung. All these people did it in their unique way at times they did it melodic and times they did rhythmic. Its something thats a staple with females in hip hop. Not only that but rap-singing has continued to change and evolve.
This is like when you guys think people doing old school R&B belongs to Beyonce it doesn't its something thats done all the time in R&B. Or when you think Beyonce revolutionised marketing with BEYONCE when she just hopped onto the #newrules trend that Kanye started.
Either way Swiss they neither popularised it nor did they invent it. MJB, Lauryn Hill, Mariah, Usher, Boyz II Men, TLC, Brandy, Aaliyah all rapsung. All these people did it in their unique way at times they did it melodic and times they did rhythmic. Its something thats a staple with females in hip hop. Not only that but rap-singing has continued to change and evolve.
This is like when you guys think people doing old school R&B belongs to Beyonce it doesn't its something thats done all the time in R&B. Or when you think Beyonce revolutionised marketing with BEYONCE when she just hopped onto the #newrules trend that Kanye started.
Who said that she owns old school R&B and also when is it done all the time anyway?
And Beyonce may have hopped on the new rules style, but no one had done it quite like her. To release an album with more music videos than there are songs, with NO notice whatsoever (even if its just 2 weeks notice like in Kanye's case) is truly something and you downgrading it just shows your pettiness. It does not that she didn't do something amazing.
I'm not going to comment on the rap-singing thing anymore because this has already been covered by someone else a few pages ago and they did it very well. The fact remains that even if people had done it before, all in their own way, it was DC's way that was mimicked and accepted in pop music.
Who said that she owns old school R&B and also when is it done all the time anyway?
And Beyonce may have hoped on the new rules style, but no one had done it quite like her. To release an album with more music videos than there are songs, with NO notice whatsoever (even if its just 2 weeks notice like in Kanye's case) is truly something and you downgrading it just shows your pettiness. It does not that she didn't do something amazing.
I'm not going to comment on the rap-singing thing anymore because this has already been covered by someone else a few pages ago and they did it very well. The fact remains that even if people had done it before, all in their own way, it was DC's way that was mimicked and accepted in pop music.
The whole bridge "Don't ya know that I'm gonna need some attention" is sung in the same style as No No No. Beyonce may be a millisecond faster, but it is the same style
so because one of her favorite songs at that time was Say My Name by DESTINY'S CHILD she was inspired by BEYONCE and made a song (still haven't named haven't named it yet) to try and do the same thing? MOVE AROUND. Y'all are some obsessed clowns in here hi5-ing each other over being stupid. This hasn't proved anything but your lack of comprehension. Lawd.
Her impact...just like other artist will be met by the next generation of stars, just like those before them.
In 10 years little girls will probably stop saying Whitney Houston and Mariah Carey made them want to sing, they'll say Beyonce. She is next in line.
You don't have as much success as Beyonce and not have any impact. She sells, and record companies want people like "beyonce" who sell. Her impact will be felt.