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Poll: Bigger Worldwide: Rihanna or Shakira
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You'd have to be completely delusional or pressed to say Shakira today. Over the last two years Rihanna has sold five times over what Shakira has in albums  Won't even bother bringing up singles where Shakira has been almost a complete non-factor save Waka Waka which wasn't even that big in many critical countries.
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Close competition esp with Shakira's laundry service era but today it's definitely Rihanna.
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Originally posted by thewaitinggame
You'd have to be completely delusional or pressed to say Shakira today. Over the last two years Rihanna has sold five times over what Shakira has in albums Won't even bother bringing up singles where Shakira has been almost a complete non-factor save Waka Waka which wasn't even that big in many critical countries. |
Waka Waka went #1 in at least 21 countries. Rihanna has made 4 albums in the past 5 years, so you'd expect her to perform better. She's doing great, but she's honestly not on Shakira's level (save U.S.)
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Originally posted by thewaitinggame
You'd have to be completely delusional or pressed to say Shakira today. Over the last two years Rihanna has sold five times over what Shakira has in albums Won't even bother bringing up singles where Shakira has been almost a complete non-factor save Waka Waka which wasn't even that big in many critical countries. |
cRITICAL ?  Like the U.S and UK right? But do you realize that even without those it was still one of the biggest hits of that particular year. Be pressed child!
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Originally posted by zzmyth
60 million albums in 16 years
Rihanna sold 30M in less than 7
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But those latin markets as some say arent important, they are irrelevant. #oops. As of her 2001 (her English crossover) she has sold more then 30 mill with just 3 english Albums, so much for global spanish albums, pft. 
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Oh my goodness. The same repetitive arguments
- "Shakira is irrelevant in the US, therefore she must be irrelevant worldwide"
- "Shakira is relevant in a few european countries and latin american countries, and that's why she's irrelevant"
- "The US market is th eonly market that matters"
- "Shakira is not the international superstar... even though I know absolutely nothing about it since I've never even been in countries other than my own".
Baby, the question is bigger worldwide, not bigger in the US, UK and Australia.
Basically:
I simply CAN'T at all these shallow, superficial people thinking success in the US, UK and AUstralia is ALL that matters. Your use of "doesn't have many smashes worldwide" is evidence enough. Besides the fact that Austria, Belgium, Canada, Croatia, Czechoslovakia, Germany, Greece, Netherlands, Hungary, Italy, FRANCE, Poland, Portugal, Russia, Switzerland, Romania, Slovakia, Slovenia, Malaysia, Singapore aren't actually "Latin" countries, the fact that you claim that she's faded is one of the most delusional statements I have ever read. That's a classic comment from someone who believes that success in Anglo countries is all that matter. Well guess what? It's not. Because success in the US is ephemeral, unlike the worldwide grip that Shakira has placed in several states and territories. The bitch sold 500,000 copies of her latest SPANISH album in France ALONE. Shakira's online following remains stronger than ever - beating out all those "supposedly-more popular artists" such as Katy Perry, CHristina Aguilera, Kesha.
Sale El Sol continues to sell internationally with no promotion and by June 2011, it had already sold over 2 million copies worldwide in under less than a year (released in October) And don't go pulling that classic "oh 2 million is nothing for 9 months". You know what, it is, because this is a Spanish album - and the fact that she can dominate territories like Germany, Eastern European, some Asian countries (which don't even SPEAK english OR spanish) and Western European countries which largely don't even speak Spanish says a lot.
Not smashing in the U.S, UK, Australia. =/= Flopping. She's internationally known better than she is in the U.S. and that's fine.
I seriously CANNOT
at you thinking that just because she isn't popular in "Australia, US, UK, Japan" she is a "local" act. Seriously? They are by NO means the "ONLY" countries that matter. As mentioned above, for someone who makes LATIN music and to be smashing all those territories? Please, I haven't yet seen anyone who's currently "popular" in the "anglo" countries do the same. its hard for one artist to cater to asian, african, eurpoean and latin american tastes all at the same time since the languages and styles of music are so diverse between these continents. Can any other artist? NO.
Oh, and just in case you didn't know, SES and Loca remains Unreleased in the UK, and the album wasn't dropped until NOVEMBER 2011 in Australia.
Success in: Austria, Belgium, Croatia, Czechoslovakia, Netherlands, France, Germany, Greece, Hungary, italy, Mexico, Poland, portugal, Russia, Dubai, Spain, Slovenia, Serbia, Lebanon, Morocco, Belarus, Switzerland, Malaysia, Singapore, plus ALL the latin countries such as Brazil, Argentina, Colombia, ecuador..
Moderate Success in: Denmark, Canada, Finaldn, Sweden, CHINA, South Africa
"Supposed Flop" in: Australia, US, UK, Japan
SOLD OUT TOUR SHOWS IN Puerto Rico, Ukraine, Brazil, Singaopre, Mexico, France, Switzerland, Germany, SPain, Morocco, Lebanon, Belarus, Serbia, Poland, Costa Rica, Panama, Dominican Republic, Guatemala, Italy, Hungary, ALL the Latin countries,
You call this "LOCAL"? AHAHAHAHA.
Your grip on reality is seriously delusional. Even without "Waka Waka" Shakira has broken more records than ever before. Oh, and by the way, Waka Waka succeeded because it was the world cup song? Precisely. If there was no world cup, there would be no song.
When the album dropped, it went to #1 and Top 5, Top 10 in COUNTLESS countries, and so did the single Loca. Now don't go pulling the classic cliche "Oh but it flopped whatever in the US and didn't chart in the UK or Australia". Firstly, again those markets are NOT the most important, and for a SPANISH album to hit #7 in the US? wow. And also, as mentioned SES remains UNRELEASED in the UK and wasn't released in AUSTRALIA until November 2011 (when it was meant to be released October 2010) LOL. Flawed much?
"She hasn't had an international hit since 2006". LOL? You don't say it directly but you completely imply it. YOUR definition of "International hit" solely relies on success in Anglo Countries. Apparently, by your definition, if a song is a hit throughout Europe, LAtin America, Asia, but doesn't necessarily smash the US, it's considered not an "international hit".
Actually, Beautiful Liar in 2007 can be considered an INTERNATIONAL hit, and so can SHE WOLF in 2009 (hit top 5 basically everywhere besides the US). You can honestly say WHAT you want, but WAKA WAKA was an absolute international smash. But of course you'll resort to the "it's not an international hit because it flopped in the US". Classy
I love how you keep minimising her achievements; success in "a few European countries and South American countries", completely ignoring the myriad of other countries which contribute to her very A-list status. Your uni-directional belief that success in the US is the only way to make an artist relevant is actually pretty laughable. You know what? you're right. "facts are facts", and the fact is that Shakira's influence worldwide is undeniable, if not she wouldn't be selling out concerts like crazy.
Receipts? SURE. Here are the facts: (cue without inverted commas )
Major European Countries:
France:
Sale El Sol Album: #1, over 5x Platinum
Waka Waka: #1, Platinum
Loca: #1 and #2, Platinum
Rabiosa: #5
JLAM: #1 (for six weeks and still running)
Germany:
Sale El Sol Album: #6, Gold
Waka Waka: #1, 5x Gold
Loca: #6, Gold
Rabiosa: #26
Italy:
Sale El Sol Album: #1, Platinum
Loca: #1, Platinum
Waka Waka: #1, 3x Platinum
Rabiosa: #6
Spain:
Sale El Sol Album: #1, 2x Platinum
Loca; #1 2x Platinum
Waka Waka: #1, 6x Platinum
Rabiosa: #1
Sale El Sol Album
#1:
Argentina
Belgium
Croatia
France
Greece
Italy
Mexico
Portugal
Spain
Switzerland
Colombia
Ecuador'
Brazil
Peru
Hoardes of other countries
Top 5:
Austria: #3
Singapore #3
Poland: #3
Hungary: #4
Slovenia: #4
Russia: #4
Top 10:
Czechoslovakia: #6
Germany: #6
Malaysia: #6
USA: #7
Netherlands: #10
Top 20:
Canada: #11
Sweden: #19
Certifications: Gold, MultiPlatinum, Diamonds throughout Latin America and Europe
ps Unreleased in the UK and Australia
Loca
#1:
Belgium
Czechoslovakia
France
Greece
Italy
Mexico
Poland
Portugal
Romania
Spain
Switzerland
Turkey
US Latin
Top 5:
Austria #2
Slovakia #3
Brazil #4
Hungary #4
Singapore #4
Malaysia #5
Top 10:
Germany #6
Top 20:
Finland #11
Denmark #12
Netherlands #15
Sweden #20
PS Unreleased in UK
Waka Waka
#1
Austria
Belgium
Brazil
Czechoslovakia
Denmark
Finland
France
Germany
Hungary
Italy
Meixco
Poland
Slovakia
Singapore
Spain
Sweden
Switzerland
THROUGHOUT Latin America
Top 5:
Netherlands #2
US Latin #2
Norway #2
Bulgaria #4
Top 10:
Ireland #10
Top 20:
Canada #11
Japan #12
Scotland #17
Rabiosa:
#1
Greece
Mexico
Portugal
Spain
Top 5
Poland #3
Switzerland #3
Belgium #5
France #5
Top 10
Austria #6
Brazil #6
Czechoslovakia #10
Isreal #7
Italy #6
Denmark #9
Top 20
Slovakia #12
JLAM: (regional Release)
#1
France
Belgium
"no1curr" about Shakira? LOL. HEW MAD?
The fact is that minus the US and UK and AUstarlia, Shakira is going more than strongly. Her global impact is undeniable. Anyone who argues otherwise is sorely delusional or so basic that they think that as long as someone doesn't have relevancy in the US or UK, Australia, then they're "a flop" or that "no1curr" about them.
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Shakira and she's doing fine. With the moves right now she's making she has a chance to really solidify and expand herself in the Anglo market.
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The general consensus at my school is that Rihanna is much more famous than Shakira. I asked around 25 people who they think is more famous, and more than half had no idea who Shakira is. Only 3 were able to name 1 or more songs by her. Every single person knew who Rihanna was and almost call could name several of her songs.
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Receipts? SURE. Here are the facts:
Major European Countries:
France:
Sale El Sol Album: #1, over 5x Platinum
Waka Waka: #1, Platinum
Loca: #1 and #2, Platinum
Rabiosa: #5
JLAM: #1 (for six weeks and still running)
Germany:
Sale El Sol Album: #6, Gold
Waka Waka: #1, 5x Gold
Loca: #6, Gold
Rabiosa: #26
Italy:
Sale El Sol Album: #1, Platinum
Loca: #1, Platinum
Waka Waka: #1, 3x Platinum
Rabiosa: #6
Spain:
Sale El Sol Album: #1, 2x Platinum
Loca; #1 2x Platinum
Waka Waka: #1, 6x Platinum
Rabiosa: #1
Sale El Sol Album vs Loud
NOTE THAT RIHANNAS ENGLISH ALBUM CANT EVEN BEAT SHAKIRAS SPANISH ALBUM IN "MAJOR EUROPEAN MARKETS" SUCH AS FRANCE, ITALY, SPAIN..
#1:
Argentina (Rihanna #3)
Belgium (Rihanna #3)
Croatia (Rihanna #14)
France (Rihanna #3)
Greece (Rihanna #8)
Italy (Rihanna #11)
Mexico (Rihanna #17)
Portugal (Rihanna #10)
Spain (Rihanna #6)
Switzerland (Rihanna #1)
Colombia (Rihanna #16)
Ecuador' (Rihanna #6)
Brazil (Rihanna #10)
Peru (Rihanna #2)
Hoardes of other countries
Top 5:
Austria: #3 (Rihanna #3)
Singapore #3 (Rihanna #6)
Poland: #3 (Rihanna #4)
Hungary: #4 (Rihanna #6)
Slovenia: #4 (Rihanna DIDNT CHART LOL)
Russia: #4 (Rihanan DIDNT CHART LOL)
Top 10:
Czechoslovakia: #6 (Rihanna #12)
Germany: #6 (Rihanna #2)
Malaysia: #6 (Rihanna #10)
USA: #7 (Rihanna #3)
Netherlands: #10 (Rihanna #6)
Top 20:
Canada: #11 (Rihanna #1)
Sweden: #19 (Rihanna #15)
Rihanna only charted higher than Shakira in USA, Germany, Netherlands, Canada, Sweden WHEREAS SHAKIRA COMPLETELY SMASHED RIHANNA IN ALL OTHER MARKETS. And don't go pulling the USA trick - this question is who's bigger WORLDWIDE
Oh, let's not forget Sale El Sol was a SPANISH album.
ps Unreleased in the UK and Australia
Your grip on reality is seriously delusional. Even without "Waka Waka" Shakira has broken more records than ever before. Oh, and by the way, Waka Waka succeeded because it was the world cup song? Precisely. If there was no world cup, there would be no song.
When the album dropped, it went to #1 and Top 5, Top 10 in COUNTLESS countries, and so did the single Loca. Now don't go pulling the classic cliche "Oh but it flopped whatever in the US and didn't chart in the UK or Australia". Firstly, again those markets are NOT the most important, and for a SPANISH album to hit #7 in the US? wow. And also, as mentioned SES remains UNRELEASED in the UK and wasn't released in AUSTRALIA until November 2011 (when it was meant to be released October 2010) LOL. Flawed much?
. YOUR definition of "International hit" solely relies on success in Anglo Countries. Apparently, by your definition, if a song is a hit throughout Europe, LAtin America, Asia, but doesn't necessarily smash the US, it's considered not an "international hit".
Actually, Beautiful Liar in 2007 can be considered an INTERNATIONAL hit, and so can SHE WOLF in 2009 (hit top 5 basically everywhere besides the US). You can honestly say WHAT you want, but WAKA WAKA was an absolute international smash. But of course you'll resort to the "it's not an international hit because it flopped in the US". Classy
I love how you keep minimising her achievements;, completely ignoring the myriad of other countries which contribute to her very A-list status. Your uni-directional belief that success in the US is the only way to make an artist relevant is actually pretty laughable. You know what? you're right. "facts are facts", and the fact is that Shakira's influence worldwide is undeniable, if not she wouldn't be selling out concerts like crazy.
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Quote:
Originally posted by loco
Oh my goodness. The same repetitive arguments
- "Shakira is irrelevant in the US, therefore she must be irrelevant worldwide"
- "Shakira is relevant in a few european countries and latin american countries, and that's why she's irrelevant"
- "The US market is th eonly market that matters"
- "Shakira is not the international superstar... even though I know absolutely nothing about it since I've never even been in countries other than my own".
Baby, the question is bigger worldwide, not bigger in the US, UK and Australia.
Basically:
I simply CAN'T at all these shallow, superficial people thinking success in the US, UK and AUstralia is ALL that matters. Your use of "doesn't have many smashes worldwide" is evidence enough. Besides the fact that Austria, Belgium, Canada, Croatia, Czechoslovakia, Germany, Greece, Netherlands, Hungary, Italy, FRANCE, Poland, Portugal, Russia, Switzerland, Romania, Slovakia, Slovenia, Malaysia, Singapore aren't actually "Latin" countries, the fact that you claim that she's faded is one of the most delusional statements I have ever read. That's a classic comment from someone who believes that success in Anglo countries is all that matter. Well guess what? It's not. Because success in the US is ephemeral, unlike the worldwide grip that Shakira has placed in several states and territories. The bitch sold 500,000 copies of her latest SPANISH album in France ALONE. Shakira's online following remains stronger than ever - beating out all those "supposedly-more popular artists" such as Katy Perry, CHristina Aguilera, Kesha.
Sale El Sol continues to sell internationally with no promotion and by June 2011, it had already sold over 2 million copies worldwide in under less than a year (released in October) And don't go pulling that classic "oh 2 million is nothing for 9 months". You know what, it is, because this is a Spanish album - and the fact that she can dominate territories like Germany, Eastern European, some Asian countries (which don't even SPEAK english OR spanish) and Western European countries which largely don't even speak Spanish says a lot.
Not smashing in the U.S, UK, Australia. =/= Flopping. She's internationally known better than she is in the U.S. and that's fine.
I seriously CANNOT
at you thinking that just because she isn't popular in "Australia, US, UK, Japan" she is a "local" act. Seriously? They are by NO means the "ONLY" countries that matter. As mentioned above, for someone who makes LATIN music and to be smashing all those territories? Please, I haven't yet seen anyone who's currently "popular" in the "anglo" countries do the same. its hard for one artist to cater to asian, african, eurpoean and latin american tastes all at the same time since the languages and styles of music are so diverse between these continents. Can any other artist? NO.
Oh, and just in case you didn't know, SES and Loca remains Unreleased in the UK, and the album wasn't dropped until NOVEMBER 2011 in Australia.
Success in: Austria, Belgium, Croatia, Czechoslovakia, Netherlands, France, Germany, Greece, Hungary, italy, Mexico, Poland, portugal, Russia, Dubai, Spain, Slovenia, Serbia, Lebanon, Morocco, Belarus, Switzerland, Malaysia, Singapore, plus ALL the latin countries such as Brazil, Argentina, Colombia, ecuador..
Moderate Success in: Denmark, Canada, Finaldn, Sweden, CHINA, South Africa
"Supposed Flop" in: Australia, US, UK, Japan
SOLD OUT TOUR SHOWS IN Puerto Rico, Ukraine, Brazil, Singaopre, Mexico, France, Switzerland, Germany, SPain, Morocco, Lebanon, Belarus, Serbia, Poland, Costa Rica, Panama, Dominican Republic, Guatemala, Italy, Hungary, ALL the Latin countries,
You call this "LOCAL"? AHAHAHAHA.
Your grip on reality is seriously delusional. Even without "Waka Waka" Shakira has broken more records than ever before. Oh, and by the way, Waka Waka succeeded because it was the world cup song? Precisely. If there was no world cup, there would be no song.
When the album dropped, it went to #1 and Top 5, Top 10 in COUNTLESS countries, and so did the single Loca. Now don't go pulling the classic cliche "Oh but it flopped whatever in the US and didn't chart in the UK or Australia". Firstly, again those markets are NOT the most important, and for a SPANISH album to hit #7 in the US? wow. And also, as mentioned SES remains UNRELEASED in the UK and wasn't released in AUSTRALIA until November 2011 (when it was meant to be released October 2010) LOL. Flawed much?
"She hasn't had an international hit since 2006". LOL? You don't say it directly but you completely imply it. YOUR definition of "International hit" solely relies on success in Anglo Countries. Apparently, by your definition, if a song is a hit throughout Europe, LAtin America, Asia, but doesn't necessarily smash the US, it's considered not an "international hit".
Actually, Beautiful Liar in 2007 can be considered an INTERNATIONAL hit, and so can SHE WOLF in 2009 (hit top 5 basically everywhere besides the US). You can honestly say WHAT you want, but WAKA WAKA was an absolute international smash. But of course you'll resort to the "it's not an international hit because it flopped in the US". Classy
I love how you keep minimising her achievements; success in "a few European countries and South American countries", completely ignoring the myriad of other countries which contribute to her very A-list status. Your uni-directional belief that success in the US is the only way to make an artist relevant is actually pretty laughable. You know what? you're right. "facts are facts", and the fact is that Shakira's influence worldwide is undeniable, if not she wouldn't be selling out concerts like crazy.
Receipts? SURE. Here are the facts: (cue without inverted commas )
Major European Countries:
France:
Sale El Sol Album: #1, over 5x Platinum
Waka Waka: #1, Platinum
Loca: #1 and #2, Platinum
Rabiosa: #5
JLAM: #1 (for six weeks and still running)
Germany:
Sale El Sol Album: #6, Gold
Waka Waka: #1, 5x Gold
Loca: #6, Gold
Rabiosa: #26
Italy:
Sale El Sol Album: #1, Platinum
Loca: #1, Platinum
Waka Waka: #1, 3x Platinum
Rabiosa: #6
Spain:
Sale El Sol Album: #1, 2x Platinum
Loca; #1 2x Platinum
Waka Waka: #1, 6x Platinum
Rabiosa: #1
Sale El Sol Album
#1:
Argentina
Belgium
Croatia
France
Greece
Italy
Mexico
Portugal
Spain
Switzerland
Colombia
Ecuador'
Brazil
Peru
Hoardes of other countries
Top 5:
Austria: #3
Singapore #3
Poland: #3
Hungary: #4
Slovenia: #4
Russia: #4
Top 10:
Czechoslovakia: #6
Germany: #6
Malaysia: #6
USA: #7
Netherlands: #10
Top 20:
Canada: #11
Sweden: #19
Certifications: Gold, MultiPlatinum, Diamonds throughout Latin America and Europe
ps Unreleased in the UK and Australia
Loca
#1:
Belgium
Czechoslovakia
France
Greece
Italy
Mexico
Poland
Portugal
Romania
Spain
Switzerland
Turkey
US Latin
Top 5:
Austria #2
Slovakia #3
Brazil #4
Hungary #4
Singapore #4
Malaysia #5
Top 10:
Germany #6
Top 20:
Finland #11
Denmark #12
Netherlands #15
Sweden #20
PS Unreleased in UK
Waka Waka
#1
Austria
Belgium
Brazil
Czechoslovakia
Denmark
Finland
France
Germany
Hungary
Italy
Meixco
Poland
Slovakia
Singapore
Spain
Sweden
Switzerland
THROUGHOUT Latin America
Top 5:
Netherlands #2
US Latin #2
Norway #2
Bulgaria #4
Top 10:
Ireland #10
Top 20:
Canada #11
Japan #12
Scotland #17
Rabiosa:
#1
Greece
Mexico
Portugal
Spain
Top 5
Poland #3
Switzerland #3
Belgium #5
France #5
Top 10
Austria #6
Brazil #6
Czechoslovakia #10
Isreal #7
Italy #6
Denmark #9
Top 20
Slovakia #12
JLAM: (regional Release)
#1
France
Belgium
"no1curr" about Shakira? LOL. HEW MAD?
The fact is that minus the US and UK and AUstarlia, Shakira is going more than strongly. Her global impact is undeniable. Anyone who argues otherwise is sorely delusional or so basic that they think that as long as someone doesn't have relevancy in the US or UK, Australia, then they're "a flop" or that "no1curr" about them.
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Originally posted by TalkingThatTalk
The general consensus at my school is that Rihanna is much more famous than Shakira. I asked around 25 people who they think is more famous, and more than half had no idea who Shakira is. Only 3 were able to name 1 or more songs by her. Every single person knew who Rihanna was and almost call could name several of her songs.
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Are you in elementary or junior high? 
you must live in a secluded village in montana or something. 
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Quote:
Originally posted by loco
Oh my goodness. The same repetitive arguments
- "Shakira is irrelevant in the US, therefore she must be irrelevant worldwide"
- "Shakira is relevant in a few european countries and latin american countries, and that's why she's irrelevant"
- "The US market is th eonly market that matters"
- "Shakira is not the international superstar... even though I know absolutely nothing about it since I've never even been in countries other than my own".
Baby, the question is bigger worldwide, not bigger in the US, UK and Australia.
Basically:
I simply CAN'T at all these shallow, superficial people thinking success in the US, UK and AUstralia is ALL that matters. Your use of "doesn't have many smashes worldwide" is evidence enough. Besides the fact that Austria, Belgium, Canada, Croatia, Czechoslovakia, Germany, Greece, Netherlands, Hungary, Italy, FRANCE, Poland, Portugal, Russia, Switzerland, Romania, Slovakia, Slovenia, Malaysia, Singapore aren't actually "Latin" countries, the fact that you claim that she's faded is one of the most delusional statements I have ever read. That's a classic comment from someone who believes that success in Anglo countries is all that matter. Well guess what? It's not. Because success in the US is ephemeral, unlike the worldwide grip that Shakira has placed in several states and territories. The bitch sold 500,000 copies of her latest SPANISH album in France ALONE. Shakira's online following remains stronger than ever - beating out all those "supposedly-more popular artists" such as Katy Perry, CHristina Aguilera, Kesha.
Sale El Sol continues to sell internationally with no promotion and by June 2011, it had already sold over 2 million copies worldwide in under less than a year (released in October) And don't go pulling that classic "oh 2 million is nothing for 9 months". You know what, it is, because this is a Spanish album - and the fact that she can dominate territories like Germany, Eastern European, some Asian countries (which don't even SPEAK english OR spanish) and Western European countries which largely don't even speak Spanish says a lot.
Not smashing in the U.S, UK, Australia. =/= Flopping. She's internationally known better than she is in the U.S. and that's fine.
I seriously CANNOT
at you thinking that just because she isn't popular in "Australia, US, UK, Japan" she is a "local" act. Seriously? They are by NO means the "ONLY" countries that matter. As mentioned above, for someone who makes LATIN music and to be smashing all those territories? Please, I haven't yet seen anyone who's currently "popular" in the "anglo" countries do the same. its hard for one artist to cater to asian, african, eurpoean and latin american tastes all at the same time since the languages and styles of music are so diverse between these continents. Can any other artist? NO.
Oh, and just in case you didn't know, SES and Loca remains Unreleased in the UK, and the album wasn't dropped until NOVEMBER 2011 in Australia.
Success in: Austria, Belgium, Croatia, Czechoslovakia, Netherlands, France, Germany, Greece, Hungary, italy, Mexico, Poland, portugal, Russia, Dubai, Spain, Slovenia, Serbia, Lebanon, Morocco, Belarus, Switzerland, Malaysia, Singapore, plus ALL the latin countries such as Brazil, Argentina, Colombia, ecuador..
Moderate Success in: Denmark, Canada, Finaldn, Sweden, CHINA, South Africa
"Supposed Flop" in: Australia, US, UK, Japan
SOLD OUT TOUR SHOWS IN Puerto Rico, Ukraine, Brazil, Singaopre, Mexico, France, Switzerland, Germany, SPain, Morocco, Lebanon, Belarus, Serbia, Poland, Costa Rica, Panama, Dominican Republic, Guatemala, Italy, Hungary, ALL the Latin countries,
You call this "LOCAL"? AHAHAHAHA.
Your grip on reality is seriously delusional. Even without "Waka Waka" Shakira has broken more records than ever before. Oh, and by the way, Waka Waka succeeded because it was the world cup song? Precisely. If there was no world cup, there would be no song.
When the album dropped, it went to #1 and Top 5, Top 10 in COUNTLESS countries, and so did the single Loca. Now don't go pulling the classic cliche "Oh but it flopped whatever in the US and didn't chart in the UK or Australia". Firstly, again those markets are NOT the most important, and for a SPANISH album to hit #7 in the US? wow. And also, as mentioned SES remains UNRELEASED in the UK and wasn't released in AUSTRALIA until November 2011 (when it was meant to be released October 2010) LOL. Flawed much?
"She hasn't had an international hit since 2006". LOL? You don't say it directly but you completely imply it. YOUR definition of "International hit" solely relies on success in Anglo Countries. Apparently, by your definition, if a song is a hit throughout Europe, LAtin America, Asia, but doesn't necessarily smash the US, it's considered not an "international hit".
Actually, Beautiful Liar in 2007 can be considered an INTERNATIONAL hit, and so can SHE WOLF in 2009 (hit top 5 basically everywhere besides the US). You can honestly say WHAT you want, but WAKA WAKA was an absolute international smash. But of course you'll resort to the "it's not an international hit because it flopped in the US". Classy
I love how you keep minimising her achievements; success in "a few European countries and South American countries", completely ignoring the myriad of other countries which contribute to her very A-list status. Your uni-directional belief that success in the US is the only way to make an artist relevant is actually pretty laughable. You know what? you're right. "facts are facts", and the fact is that Shakira's influence worldwide is undeniable, if not she wouldn't be selling out concerts like crazy.
Receipts? SURE. Here are the facts: (cue without inverted commas )
Major European Countries:
France:
Sale El Sol Album: #1, over 5x Platinum
Waka Waka: #1, Platinum
Loca: #1 and #2, Platinum
Rabiosa: #5
JLAM: #1 (for six weeks and still running)
Germany:
Sale El Sol Album: #6, Gold
Waka Waka: #1, 5x Gold
Loca: #6, Gold
Rabiosa: #26
Italy:
Sale El Sol Album: #1, Platinum
Loca: #1, Platinum
Waka Waka: #1, 3x Platinum
Rabiosa: #6
Spain:
Sale El Sol Album: #1, 2x Platinum
Loca; #1 2x Platinum
Waka Waka: #1, 6x Platinum
Rabiosa: #1
Sale El Sol Album
#1:
Argentina
Belgium
Croatia
France
Greece
Italy
Mexico
Portugal
Spain
Switzerland
Colombia
Ecuador'
Brazil
Peru
Hoardes of other countries
Top 5:
Austria: #3
Singapore #3
Poland: #3
Hungary: #4
Slovenia: #4
Russia: #4
Top 10:
Czechoslovakia: #6
Germany: #6
Malaysia: #6
USA: #7
Netherlands: #10
Top 20:
Canada: #11
Sweden: #19
Certifications: Gold, MultiPlatinum, Diamonds throughout Latin America and Europe
ps Unreleased in the UK and Australia
Loca
#1:
Belgium
Czechoslovakia
France
Greece
Italy
Mexico
Poland
Portugal
Romania
Spain
Switzerland
Turkey
US Latin
Top 5:
Austria #2
Slovakia #3
Brazil #4
Hungary #4
Singapore #4
Malaysia #5
Top 10:
Germany #6
Top 20:
Finland #11
Denmark #12
Netherlands #15
Sweden #20
PS Unreleased in UK
Waka Waka
#1
Austria
Belgium
Brazil
Czechoslovakia
Denmark
Finland
France
Germany
Hungary
Italy
Meixco
Poland
Slovakia
Singapore
Spain
Sweden
Switzerland
THROUGHOUT Latin America
Top 5:
Netherlands #2
US Latin #2
Norway #2
Bulgaria #4
Top 10:
Ireland #10
Top 20:
Canada #11
Japan #12
Scotland #17
Rabiosa:
#1
Greece
Mexico
Portugal
Spain
Top 5
Poland #3
Switzerland #3
Belgium #5
France #5
Top 10
Austria #6
Brazil #6
Czechoslovakia #10
Isreal #7
Italy #6
Denmark #9
Top 20
Slovakia #12
JLAM: (regional Release)
#1
France
Belgium
"no1curr" about Shakira? LOL. HEW MAD?
The fact is that minus the US and UK and AUstarlia, Shakira is going more than strongly. Her global impact is undeniable. Anyone who argues otherwise is sorely delusional or so basic that they think that as long as someone doesn't have relevancy in the US or UK, Australia, then they're "a flop" or that "no1curr" about them.
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Let's simplify those recipets...
Did She Wolf pass 2 million? No.
Did Sale El Sole pass 2 million? No.
Did Loud pass 2 million? Yes.
Did Loud pass 4 million? Yes.
Did Loud pretty much meet 6 million? Yes.
Did Talk That Talk pass 2 million? Yes and then some with only a few months.
How many "platinum" hits on the world chart has Shakira had in the last 2 years? 1
How many "platinum" hits on the world chart has Rihanna had in the last 2 year? a dozen?
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Shakira >>> Rihanna
Rihanna is not a ****ing legend...
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Did She Wolf pass 2 million? No.
Did Sale El Sole pass 2 million? No.
Did Loud pass 2 million? Yes.
Did Loud pass 4 million? Yes.
Did Loud pretty much meet 6 million? Yes.
Did Talk That Talk pass 2 million? Yes & then some with only a few months.
How many "platinum" hits on the world chart has Shakira had in the last 2 years? 1
How many "platinum" hits on the world chart has Rihanna had in the last 2 year? a dozen?
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LOL. Sale El Sol passed 2 million. Stay pressed.
Your comparison is completely unfair. Rihanna's been releasing close to 10 singles within the last 2 years while Shakira has only released 4 - ALL of which were aimed at hispanic and european markets. LOL. Ever heard of what's called a fair test - where only one variable is changed? This is not a fair test.
But are these facts even relevant? No. Because the question is Who is bigger WORLDWIDE. Most of Rihanna's Sales come from the US and UK and you know it. Shakira's Sale El Sol sold 500,000 copies in France alone. Now THAT'S evidence of being big worldwide.
I don't care about Rihanna's popularity in US and the UK, because that only signifies her appeal in about less than 5 countries.
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Did it? Source please. Must have silently squeaked by if so.
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Most of Rihanna's Sales come from the US and UK and you know it. Shakira's Sale El Sol sold 500,000 copies in France alone. Now THAT'S evidence of being big worldwide.
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How in the world does that make sense....why should I care about France over US & UK?
If you're gonna argue worldwide sales, everything is included. You don't exclude anything. If a few countries have more sales, it means more people are buying, which represents more people listening, and therefore is bigger in the world.
You can have 50 countries with a population of 3,000 have her sell the most of the year in the respective country, and it wouldn't make her a bigger worldwide star than someone who sells quadruple that total in a dozen countries.
That's the brilliant thing about worldwide sales. It's not about country seclusion.
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Let's simplify those recipets...
Did She Wolf pass 2 million? No.
Did Sale El Sole pass 2 million? No.
Did Loud pass 2 million? Yes.
Did Loud pass 4 million? Yes.
Did Loud pretty much meet 6 million? Yes.
Did Talk That Talk pass 2 million? Yes and then some with only a few months.
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Did any of Rihanna's album pass 10 million? No.
How many big hits Rihanna have? 1
Laundry Service sold 13 million, Oral Fixation 2 sold 8 million.
Sale El Sol is a spanish album and then it sold 2 million which is a big achievement.
Shakira has Whenever, Wherever (2001), Hip's Don't Lie (2006) and Waka Waka (2010) and they smashed big worldwide.
Rihanna only have Umbrella.
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