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Chart Listings: Billboard Hot 100 Singles (December 16-23, 2009)
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Originally posted by Celestial
^ Rihanna has achieved more then Lady GaGa
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Lady GaGa already has a strong fanbase, something Rihanna was never able to do. She may have achieved more because she's been in the industry for years, but Lady GaGa has already eclipsed her in my mind.
And really I was just speaking about in 2009. Lady GaGa is bigger than Rihanna.
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Originally posted by starstruck52
Rihanna isn't as big of a star as Lady GaGa is. And their singles were horrible on top of that.
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You have got to be kidding me. Rihanna is WAY bigger and much more recognised than 1 year old Lady GaGa!
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Originally posted by £100
You have got to be kidding me. Rihanna is WAY bigger and much more recognised than 1 year old Lady GaGa!
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Ignore that. I was talking about 2009. Lady GaGa was the bigger star this year.
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Originally posted by starstruck52
Ignore that. I was talking about 2009. Lady GaGa was the bigger star this year.
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You've basically just admitted that names don't count for much.
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Originally posted by starstruck52
Ignore that. I was talking about 2009. Lady GaGa was the bigger star this year.
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Rihanna didn't releaseuntil the fourth quater so of course Lady GaGa was going to be the bigger start music-wise, but that does not make her the bigger star overall. They are both at different stages in their career. Riahnna has no fan base? 2007/2008 would indicate otherwise
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Originally posted by £100
You've basically just admitted that names don't count for much.
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Um what? No I didn't. Names and hype will take you very far. Obviously you need pretty good material to go all the way to the top, that's a give in.
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Originally posted by Celestial
Rihanna didn't releaseuntil the fourth quater so of course Lady GaGa was going to be the bigger start music-wise, but that does not make her the bigger star overall. They are both at different stages in their career. Riahnna has no fan base? 2007/2008 would indicate otherwise
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Rihanna doesn't have like diehard stans like Beyonce, Britney, GaGa, and others do. She doesn't really have a distinctive personality or talent. She's good for the occasional good song and then people are over her. Just my opinion.
But yeah, GaGa was a bigger star this year. Doesn't matter when Rihanna released her album. The Fame Monster alone is owning Rated R, we don't even need to mention The Fame's success.
Rihanna is probably the bigger star overall, but she soon will be eclipsed imo. This album set her back a few notches.
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First singles by established artists (who had success their previous era) always get attention. Whether they get more success after that is up to the general public. "Russian Roulette" underperformed, but "Hard" is smashing, so the general public forgave Rihanna.
I'm talking about the U.S. of course. To my understanding, "Russian Roulette" went to #2 in the U.K.
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Originally posted by Flashing Lights
First singles by established artists (who had success their previous era) always get attention. Whether they get more success after that is up to the general public. "Russian Roulette" underperformed, but "Hard" is smashing, so the general public forgave Rihanna.
I'm talking about the U.S. of course. To my understanding, "Russian Roulette" went to #2 in the U.K.
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Yep it went to number 2 the week before last. It should stay in the top ten for another 2-3 weeks, she just performed the song on 'friday night with jonathon ross', which is the biggest chatshow here...
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Originally posted by starstruck52
Um what? No I didn't. Names and hype will take you very far. Obviously you need pretty good material to go all the way to the top, that's a give in.
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Let's backtrack. You said that She Wolf and RR underperformed because their names weren't big enough. But they clearly are big enough, and they underperformed despite that. Then, you said we should "ignore" Rihanna's pre 2009 career, because she wasn't a star in 2009. So, from one perspective, you're advocating your idea that the name counts for a major part of its performance. But, from another, it would show that Rihanna's single underperformed just because it simply wasn't good enough.
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Originally posted by starstruck52
Rihanna doesn't have like diehard stans like Beyonce, Britney, GaGa, and others do. She doesn't really have a distinctive personality or talent. She's good for the occasional good song and then people are over her. Just my opinion.
But yeah, GaGa was a bigger star this year. Doesn't matter when Rihanna released her album. The Fame Monster alone is owning Rated R, we don't even need to mention The Fame's success.
Rihanna is probably the bigger star overall, but she soon will be eclipsed imo. This album set her back a few notches.
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Rihanna has always had flops throught her career...
Anyway I'm a massive fan of Lady GaGa but the release of 'bad Romance' prooved that she does not have a very stong fanbase, it underperfomed early on but has since climbed. She is still in the early stages of her career.
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Originally posted by £100
Let's backtrack. You said that She Wolf and RR underperformed because their names weren't big enough. But they clearly are big enough, and they underperformed despite that.
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I never said their names "weren't big enough" or whatever. I said their names weren't as big as Beyonce and GaGa's THIS YEAR (because we were talking about "Telephone"). And their songs weren't great, yet they did fairly decent. Great example to back up my claim that names will take songs very far. Those songs never would have seen the light of day on the Hot 100 if they were by an unknown artist.
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Originally posted by £100
Then, you said we should "ignore" Rihanna's pre 2009 career, because she wasn't a star in 2009.
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No, I didn't say we should ignore Rihanna's pre-2009 career. I was just speaking in terms of who is the bigger "monster" in the industry RIGHT NOW. GaGa is a little ahead, RiRi could have launched herself even higher than she was in 2007 if she had put out a better record this year.
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Originally posted by £100
So, from one perspective, you're advocating your idea that the name counts for a major part of its performance. But, from another, it would show that Rihanna's single underperformed just because it simply wasn't good enough.
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I'm saying both things matter. You said name doesn't count for much of a song's success, I'm saying it does. I'm also saying the quality matters.
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Originally posted by starstruck52
Lady GaGa already has a strong fanbase, something Rihanna was never able to do. She may have achieved more because she's been in the industry for years, but Lady GaGa has already eclipsed her in my mind.
And really I was just speaking about in 2009. Lady GaGa is bigger than Rihanna.
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WOW.... you're pretty sane when the convo is not centerd around brit-bashing or beyonce praise!! i completely agree with what you said.... it's hard to prove by numbers but it seems obvious to me that Gaga's stanbase has definately eclipsed Rihanna's.... like i said it's hard to prove now but i think in 2010 it will become very clear. whether it's from comparison of album sales, concert ticket sales, single(s) performance, or youtube views Gaga is going to own.......
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I don't think Rihanna has a strong fanbase at all. As you can see, people who were interested in her basically gave up on her with "Russian Roulette". "Hard" is just now beginning to do well, but only in the Americas thus far and could still stall based on it's radio play. If anyone wants to say "well this album isn't doing well because it's not catchy pop and more artistic", then you're just proving my point. If she had a fanbase it wouldn't matter what kind of music she released, it should do well (or better than this) with the promotion and what not. As for GGGB era, that wasn't proof of a fanbase. More proof of she was just the big thing at the time.
I don't think GaGa has a big fanbase either. One mistake I think people who support her would just drop her. She basically has to keep churning out the catchy pop songs. "Speechless" is hardly showing any buzz signs and she's performed it 5695065463 times. "Bad Romance" had trouble before she began whoring around as well.
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Originally posted by Rico Shameless v2
I don't think GaGa has a big fanbase either. One mistake I think people who support her would just drop her. She basically has to keep churning out the catchy pop songs. "Speechless" is hardly showing any buzz signs and she's performed it 5695065463 times. "Bad Romance" had trouble before she began whoring around as well.
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Yeah, GaGa has a long way to go... but she's on album #2 and Rihanna's on album #4 and she already has more stans. Rihanna just does not have anything special to grab people. Not even a cute personality.
It's just a pretty face with dead eyes.
Has RiRi even gone out on tour alone yet?
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Originally posted by inspiration4
WOW.... you're pretty sane when the convo is not centerd around brit-bashing or beyonce praise!! i completely agree with what you said.... it's hard to prove by numbers but it seems obvious to me that Gaga's stanbase has definately eclipsed Rihanna's.... like i said it's hard to prove now but i think in 2010 it will become very clear. whether it's from comparison of album sales, concert ticket sales, single(s) performance, or youtube views Gaga is going to own.......
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Heh. I agree.
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Originally posted by starstruck52
I never said their names "weren't big enough" or whatever. I said their names weren't as big as Beyonce and GaGa's THIS YEAR (because we were talking about "Telephone"). And their songs weren't great, yet they did fairly decent. Great example to back up my claim that names will take songs very far. Those songs never would have seen the light of day on the Hot 100 if they were by an unknown artist.
No, I didn't say we should ignore Rihanna's pre-2009 career. I was just speaking in terms of who is the bigger "monster" in the industry RIGHT NOW. GaGa is a little ahead, RiRi could have launched herself even higher than she was in 2007 if she had put out a better record this year.
I'm saying both things matter. You said name doesn't count for much of a song's success, I'm saying it does. I'm also saying the quality matters.
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lets face it already: Your argument IS dodgy. You go by the premise that songs by artists who have had a big year get successful songs because of a powerful name. But the music industry and trends aren't that precise and they cannot be predicted through induction or deduction, as you have just done!
Rather, music trends are subjectively appealing to the general public, or unappealing. The appealing songs do well. The unappealing ones don't. That statement is always true.
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Originally posted by £100
Let's backtrack. You said that She Wolf and RR underperformed because their names weren't big enough. But they clearly are big enough, and they underperformed despite that. Then, you said we should "ignore" Rihanna's pre 2009 career, because she wasn't a star in 2009. So, from one perspective, you're advocating your idea that the name counts for a major part of its performance. But, from another, it would show that Rihanna's single underperformed just because it simply wasn't good enough.
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she is a star in the US
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OMg guys !!!! Take a breather and stop writing texts as long as books !!
Everyone has their own opinion period.
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i think it has more to do with psychology, that if you don't really like someone, you barely give a fvck about how well that person does.
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