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Discussion: Is Beyonce the most vocally "creative" singer??
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Beyoncé is among the best of the best already yall essays wont change anything not even a weak ATRLers mind
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Originally posted by Bríseis
Yes, I can and I am.
Just click on similar artists on last.fm and you will find quite a few girls who do that and more among the results. There is nothing unique about Beys singing. But you can always disagree
Its almost 3 am here, im too tired to fight, especially with deluded stans. Night
I forgot to add, being a creative singer has nothing to do with how many subgenres have you tried, as many posters here seem to think. You can do only one genre the whole life and still be a creative vocalist.
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***** WHAT?!
You have no ****ing clue what you're even talking about.
Artists similar on lastfm ***** pls.
Show some actual EXAMPLES of these singers incorporating melismatic, legato phrases AND staccato phrasing all in the same breath...
That's something that's very unique to Beyoncé's voice, even her own bandmate, Kelly, who has been with her since she was 11 years old (and has spent the most time with her vocally), doesn't possess.
You cannot put a limit on creativity given the fact that it's largely subjective.
It's up to the artist and how they apply certain stylings to a piece that makes it creative.
In this instance, it's the way B uses her voice in live settings and incorporating feats not often heard in pop music that makes it unique and creative.
Find me any of her peers that are incorportating mancandos and diminuendos (incredibly difficult, most opera singers have to practice at this before they can even be average at it) sforzandos (also incredibly difficult) marcatos, ect. You won't find it in her peers.
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Nooooooooooo! Beyonce is a dull boring artist!
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Originally posted by MJANDKATYLOVER
Nooooooooooo! Beyonce is a dull boring artist!
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highly objective opinion i spot here.
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Originally posted by swissman
Why does an artist need to entirely write and produce an album to be taken seriously? Ella Fitzgerald never did that, Judy Garland never did that, Frank Sinatra never did that, Barbra, Celine, Mariah, Whitney never did. Why is this a requirement for Beyoncé? She does write and she does produce. The fact that she is involved but does not do all the work completely matters little.
Also in reference to Single Ladies copying that video, it was obviously inspired by it, but it in no way copied the video. Some of the moves are similar, and the set is similar but the source was very clearly stated and it was made new. Should a concept be completely original for it to be good? Does the fact that she made a huge statement by releasing such a simple music video become negated because the idea was not inspired from her own mind? Did Michael copy the Moonwalk or did he take the move and make it into his own?
You've heard she's better than Mariah, the next Whitney, better than Leona but you've never heard that from me so please keep that out of the replies you send me. If we are discussing back and forth it's incredibly unfair for you to use things others have said against me. I don't believe those, no more than I believe that I should be talking about stupid things haters say here in this comment to you. She may not be better than them, but she is great. It's clear you are hellbent on bringing her down. I know there are probably many undiscovered singers better than her, but this is pop and Beyoncé is the full package: a great voice, great dancing ability, an almost unmatched stage presence, ability to stand on her own in the pop landscape, driven, beautiful, stylish, etc. I know it's unfortunate that great singers can't get this exposure but it's kind of the way it is in a post MTV world.
Lastly, I'm not sure where you've gotten the definition of Legend from, but innovation is not a part of it (though it does help). Legends are people who are well known for doing something extremely well. So, Diana Ross is a legend despite not really innovating. And I guess if you don't consider a landmark visual surprise album to be innovative in anyway, then you have clouded judgement and I can't really take you seriously.
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Originally posted by Nhật Thực
you can refuse it how much you want but your explanation is very perfunctory and unvalid. Patti for example, she definitely has good breathing control and always sing with support but everytime she swichs or slides up and down between the registers, she always breaks, you can hear it in every of her performances
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That's because she chooses to. She can (and has, many times) switched with no break.
Patti is ONE voice. If you listen to Aretha, whenever she used to switch registers, it was seamless. Aretha isn't a coloratura voice.
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Originally posted by Nhật Thực
Mariah is not a coloratura again and her voice is heavy ENOUGH to be considered a full lyrico ( how much is ENOUGH is another story ). ya ! she can executes fast passages with immense virtuosity AND with a lot of breaks, lack of consistent tone and can't hide her voice changes especially from falsetto to chest
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Mariah's voice isn't heavy at all. It's small and very light. Her breaks are down to deterioration and lack of vocal coordination, not because she isn't a coloratura.
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Originally posted by Nhật Thực
And Bassey is a dramatic coloratura contralto. how the hell do her middle and lower registers not sound androgynous a coloratua always has a lighter tone and higher tessitura than normal contralto and the lack of low tessitura because she' rarely use full of her range including singer lower b3 as well as her head register but it's still be recognized by the characteristics like unique dark smoky color in the middle register,the long chest register extension in the low range sound clearer than extension in middle range, she steadily use vibrato in lower range with good control
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#1- Bassey's lower register doesn't touch the contralto area.
#2- Her tessitura is situated in her middle register, not her lower register.
#3- An androgynous voice is a Tracy Chapman, Annie Lennox, even at points, a Toni Braxton or an Anita Baker. Their voices blossom in the lower register and pick up colors similar to a tenor voice in that part of the range.
#4- A "smoky dark color" doesn't equal "contralto".
#5- She isn't a coloratura voice because her voice isn't agile at all. That's not where her strength is.
#6- Vibrato, clarity...all these are things that speak to the healthiness of her instrument, not its anatomy.
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Originally posted by Harmonic Dreamer
***** WHAT?!
You have no ****ing clue what you're even talking about.
Artists similar on lastfm ***** pls.
Show some actual EXAMPLES of these singers incorporating melismatic, legato phrases AND staccato phrasing all in the same breath...
That's something that's very unique to Beyoncé's voice, even her own bandmate, Kelly, who has been with her since she was 11 years old (and has spent the most time with her vocally), doesn't possess.
You cannot put a limit on creativity given the fact that it's largely subjective.
It's up to the artist and how they apply certain stylings to a piece that makes it creative.
In this instance, it's the way B uses her voice in live settings and incorporating feats not often heard in pop music that makes it unique and creative.
Find me any of her peers that are incorportating mancandos and diminuendos (incredibly difficult, most opera singers have to practice at this before they can even be average at it) sforzandos (also incredibly difficult) marcatos, ect. You won't find it in her peers.
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Let's not forget that if there are artists on last.fm that are similar to Beyonce, it's most likely because they're INFLUENCED by her. That doesn't take away from her uniqueness.
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Creative ? Not really since she's doing what Whitney and Mariah have already done.
BUT she is the best vocalist among the current pop girls.
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Originally posted by swissman
Why does an artist need to entirely write and produce an album to be taken seriously? Ella Fitzgerald never did that, Judy Garland never did that, Frank Sinatra never did that, Barbra, Celine, Mariah, Whitney never did. Why is this a requirement for Beyoncé? She does write and she does produce. The fact that she is involved but does not do all the work completely matters little.
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Actually, Mariah has written and co-produced all of her songs, expect the ones she covered obviously.
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Originally posted by Harmonic Dreamer
***** WHAT?!
You have no ****ing clue what you're even talking about.
Artists similar on lastfm ***** pls.
Show some actual EXAMPLES of these singers incorporating melismatic, legato phrases AND staccato phrasing all in the same breath...
That's something that's very unique to Beyoncé's voice, even her own bandmate, Kelly, who has been with her since she was 11 years old (and has spent the most time with her vocally), doesn't possess.
You cannot put a limit on creativity given the fact that it's largely subjective.
It's up to the artist and how they apply certain stylings to a piece that makes it creative.
In this instance, it's the way B uses her voice in live settings and incorporating feats not often heard in pop music that makes it unique and creative.
Find me any of her peers that are incorportating mancandos and diminuendos (incredibly difficult, most opera singers have to practice at this before they can even be average at it) sforzandos (also incredibly difficult) marcatos, ect. You won't find it in her peers.
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do they even know these terms
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Originally posted by Zaynsus
Actually, Mariah has co-written all of her songs and co-produced most of her songs, expect the ones she covered obviously.
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Fixed.
Sidenote: If no one is posting any examples, why are they in this thread?
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no Rihanna is the most vocally creative singer, People like how creative she is with ha vocals that's why you always find ha songs topping the charts. Same with Mariah.
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Originally posted by MJANDKATYLOVER
Nooooooooooo! Beyonce is a dull boring artist!
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okay, if that makes you feel better
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Originally posted by JesusORGod
no Rihanna is the most vocally creative singer, People like how creative she is with ha vocals that's why you always find ha songs topping the charts. Same with Mariah.
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How can Rihanna be the most vocally creative, when she doesn't even do her own vocal arrangement ? Xeroxing a vocal demo tape doesn't spell vocal creativity.
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Originally posted by JustActinUP
How can Rihanna be the most vocally creative, when she doesn't even do her own vocal arrangement ? Xeroxing a vocal demo tape doesn't spell vocal creativity.
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Rihanna does do her own creative vocal arrangement and when she does it takes her songs all the way to the top............
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Originally posted by swissman
Why does an artist need to entirely write and produce an album to be taken seriously? Ella Fitzgerald never did that, Judy Garland never did that, Frank Sinatra never did that, Barbra, Celine, Mariah, Whitney never did. Why is this a requirement for Beyoncé? She does write and she does produce. The fact that she is involved but does not do all the work completely matters little.
Also in reference to Single Ladies copying that video, it was obviously inspired by it, but it in no way copied the video. Some of the moves are similar, and the set is similar but the source was very clearly stated and it was made new. Should a concept be completely original for it to be good? Does the fact that she made a huge statement by releasing such a simple music video become negated because the idea was not inspired from her own mind? Did Michael copy the Moonwalk or did he take the move and make it into his own?
You've heard she's better than Mariah, the next Whitney, better than Leona but you've never heard that from me so please keep that out of the replies you send me. If we are discussing back and forth it's incredibly unfair for you to use things others have said against me. I don't believe those, no more than I believe that I should be talking about stupid things haters say here in this comment to you. She may not be better than them, but she is great. It's clear you are hellbent on bringing her down. I know there are probably many undiscovered singers better than her, but this is pop and Beyoncé is the full package: a great voice, great dancing ability, an almost unmatched stage presence, ability to stand on her own in the pop landscape, driven, beautiful, stylish, etc. I know it's unfortunate that great singers can't get this exposure but it's kind of the way it is in a post MTV world.
Lastly, I'm not sure where you've gotten the definition of Legend from, but innovation is not a part of it (though it does help). Legends are people who are well known for doing something extremely well. So, Diana Ross is a legend despite not really innovating. And I guess if you don't consider a landmark visual surprise album to be innovative in anyway, then you have clouded judgement and I can't really take you seriously.
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Originally posted by JesusORGod
Rihanna does do her own creative vocal arrangement and when she does it takes her songs all the way to the top............
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Bjork, Aretha, and Mariah very creative songs vocally didn't top the charts. you tried. even Rihanna is laughing at your post. NEXT.
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Originally posted by JesusORGod
no Rihanna is the most vocally creative singer, People like how creative she is with ha vocals that's why you always find ha songs topping the charts. Same with Mariah.
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Rihanna is the exact opposite of a vocally creative singer. All she does is living of her extremely recognizable tone which suits almost every musical direction she choses. But thats actually all that she does. Shes not vocally creative, not at all.
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