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Discussion: What's your stance on...? #46: Organ Donation
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Funny that you guys are talking about God, there was a huge debate in our philosophy class about the bible and gays. Jesus loved every type of person in the world. He did not exclude anyone. Back then, being a women, being sick, having a handicap was considered a sin, but Jesus did not care about that. And the priests found that ridiculous and not pure/clean. Jesus did so many good things, which priests in that time considered disrespectful and rule-breaking, that's one of the main reasons Jesus got crucified by the priests. Priests could drink Jesus' blood, literally and figuratively.
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Originally posted by Jewfro
There's homosexuality in nature though as well, it's observable in a lot of different species.
True. A valid concern.
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I know and they can't reproduce.
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That is of course true.
I was agreeing with you all the way until you said "violent"....... umm.... these people aren't real Christians if they are being violent. And Christianity is not necessarily about going to church, it is more about having a personal relationship with god.
Bible Bashers aren't the average Christian, they are just extremists.
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There are so many violent acts that have been committed in the name of God that it would take me a year to list them. Whether it is 'the Christian way' or not, it is done.
The Bible say's do not kill, does that make every soldier who is Christian not a 'real christian'.
What about alcoholics, as the bible condemns 'drunkards'
Do you not see the huge double standards? I respect that it is your religion but it isn't everyone's so the law shouldn't restrict things like Gay Marriage because there is no real reason to prevent it. It hurts no-one.
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7 years of religious studies and an A in every exam  |
I always had the attention span of a 2 year old in RS classes 
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Right, so then that seems arbitrary, no?
And yeah, by Paul, not words attributed to God or Jesus.
He never mentioned it. So little was His time on earth that you would think such an abomination would be mentioned  |
As I said, I believe that God spoke the words of the Bible to man, who transferred them into writing. The Bible didn't magically fall from heaven.
Jesus specifically may not have mentioned it, but God (with whom Jesus and the Spirit are one in the same) - as I said above - told man what to write in the Bible so I take everything as the word of the Trinity.
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I know and they can't reproduce.
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Exactly. Homosexuality will always exist, it existed in the past and it will remain existing in the future.
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Actually Christianity wasn't the starting out religion in either Britain or America, it was introduced and in fact anyone caught practising another religion was severely punished. So Christianity in the beginning, was not even a choice.
I typed YOU because it takes significantly less time than typing out Christians. It's not meant as offence  |
Type "Christians" next time 
In America it was. Puritans founded the American Colonies.... believe me I took a whole year class on this subject. Native Americans who lived in America did not found the nation we are currently living in....
In Britain people were pagans and Christianity took over Paganism before the British Empire or the founding of Parliament so that is kind of a useless fact because there government is based off of the Christian beginnings in their nation not the pagan ones.
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Exactly. Homosexuality will always exist, it existed in the future and it will remain existing in the future. |
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But I personally believe that man and man, woman and woman were not meant to marry. I hate to bring up that ancient "Adam and Steve" comment, but it's true. Woman was created as man's counterpart, so that reproduction could be possible.
I don't see marriage restrictions as persecution, merely upholding the practices taught in the Bible, the book of the religion on which the US was founded. (Of course, it's now a free country and one day we will - sadly, IMO - see the complete removal of Christian principles from the law.)
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But who are you, I or anyone else for that matter to tell anyone who they can and cannot love? If your God say's homosexuality is wrong, fine, but not everyone is Christian, so why should your God dictate to anyone who does not believe in him, who they can and cannot love?
You can stick to your religion but it shouldn't restrict other peoples lives, it should NOT be illegal.
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I still have yet to read a valid reason why same sex marriages should not be allowed.
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Originally posted by itstotallybea
There are so many violent acts that have been committed in the name of God that it would take me a year to list them. Whether it is 'the Christian way' or not, it is done.
The Bible say's do not kill, does that make every soldier who is Christian not a 'real christian'.
What about alcoholics, as the bible condemns 'drunkards'
Do you not see the huge double standards? I respect that it is your religion but it isn't everyone's so the law shouldn't restrict things like Gay Marriage because there is no real reason to prevent it. It hurts no-one.
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It's not God's fault that society has chosen to persecute homosexuals in particular compared to other sinners, when frankly no one should be persecuting anyone as we all sin. It's only some Christians' fault that we collectively get a bad rep.
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Type "Christians" next time
In America it was. Puritans founded the American Colonies.... believe me I took a whole year class on this subject. Native Americans who lived in America did not found the nation we are currently living in....
In Britain people were pagans and Christianity took over Paganism before the British Empire or the founding of Parliament so that is kind of a useless fact because there government is based off of the Christian beginnings in their nation not the pagan ones. |
Technically Puritans weren't the founders of the American colonies, but the New England colonies.
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Dumbledore was gay, may he rest in peace
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Originally posted by TheGeoKing
Type "Christians" next time
In America it was. Puritans founded the American Colonies.... believe me I took a whole year class on this subject. Native Americans who lived in America did not found the nation we are currently living in....
In Britain people were pagans and Christianity took over Paganism before the British Empire or the founding of Parliament so that is kind of a useless fact because there government is based off of the Christian beginnings in their nation not the pagan ones. |
Those Christians moved there from Britain where Christianity was at a time, enforced. Do you have any idea what used to happen to people in Britain and Ireland who practised other religions?
And this isn't 500 years ago, it was up until not long before the Victorian age, what we would practically consider, modern times. Just because the people in power are Christian doesn't mean that the country was built on it, people build the country, not a few people high lording it in mansions.
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I meant past... We're not here to be immature, we do that when we're not talking about serious topics.
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But who are you, I or anyone else for that matter to tell anyone who they can and cannot love? If your God say's homosexuality is wrong, fine, but not everyone is Christian, so why should your God dictate to anyone who does not believe in him, who they can and cannot love?
You can stick to your religion but it shouldn't restrict other peoples lives, it should NOT be illegal.
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I am fully aware that the US, a country founded on God's principles, is now a free country and that many traces of God's Word is being erased from the law, including that of homosexual relations. I'm not going to do anything to stop it as that would accomplish nothing (my points would all be based on my religion, not "valid reason") and I'm certainly not judging anyone on a personal level for their choices - that's not my place.
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Originally posted by HausofCherry
As I said, I believe that God spoke the words of the Bible to man, who transferred them into writing. The Bible didn't magically fall from heaven.
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That's cool, but that's debatable. Highly debatable.
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Jesus specifically may not have mentioned it, but God (with whom Jesus and the Spirit are one in the same) - as I said above - told man what to write in the Bible so I take everything as the word of the Trinity.
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But if it's such an abomination - something so unholy and reprehensible - why did Jesus not utter a single word about it? That's my question.
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Originally posted by Golden Trigger
We're not here to be immature
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I beg to differ
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Bea is so ****ing smart, it's unbelievable. 
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