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Celeb News: Katy Perry: "All Lives Matter"
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Originally posted by Monster
Exactly. What do you know? Nothing. Your white privledge is showing and is completely incapable of looking at the problems of racism. If this is something that affects all races then why are the instances of black men dying at the hands of white officers much more widespread than any other race? Why are black people imprisoned almost proportional to whites when we make up a less significant amount of the population? Racism does not explicitly mean malicious intent hence why there is a problem. The definition of the word has been diluted and tarnished to absolve the responsibility and ease the fears of white guilt for people like you.
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Let me ask a question to you. Do you think if you had a group that committed over half the homicides in the country that their interaction with police might be a little higher? And yet that group that commits over half the murders accounts for about 35% of police killings. Now I can't even say that without being accused of racism. I don't want to look at that group as a group. I see the criminals and I see the rest of us. Those are my groups. And despite your use of the slogan de jur "white privilege" I do see racism. I just don't see it in these cases...I need some evidence.
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Member Since: 3/15/2013
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Originally posted by DrownedWorld
The absolute reaches in here.
I see her saying All Lives Matter to say that black deaths by police brutality should matter as much as white ones. As a white woman, it'd seem pretty patronizing if she said "Black Lives Matter" as it would seem like she's speaking for all black people. There was a rally at my school yesterday and they alternated chants between Black Lives Matter and All Lives Matter.
Instead of nitpicking there are several white artists much more in debt to the black community who have said nothing, we should be criticizing them.
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Exactly, that's precisely what I thought. It's no surprise that people would pick apart anything Katy says though. She dressed as a geisha one time, so she's already the living Antichrist.
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oh my god the ignorance in this thread. People are pointing out the "nitpicking" but it's exactly the tiny amendments like this that take the focus away from black people.
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Member Since: 1/1/2014
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The fact that people are mad she is saying ALL lives matter which INCLUDES Black people is beyond belief. This is why nothing will ever change, people are speaking out BUT that still isn't good enough. Why? "BECAUSE SHE DIDN'T JUST SAY BLACK PEOPLE! WE DON'T GIVE A **** ABOUT ANYONE ELSE! SAY BLACK LIVES MATTER, NOT ALL. WE DON'T CARE, WE ONLY CARE ABOUT BLACK LIVES!!!"
Like this is honestly what people are coming off as in this thread. Do you guys think THIS is how you get people to support a cause? This is how you get people to stand behind you?
ALL lives matter simple as that, Katy has acknowledged Ferguson and proclaimed that their lives matter through her all lives matter hashtag. I absolutely CANNOT at the idiots in here mad that she didn't say black lives specifically, when black lives ARE NOT more important than any other lives. She is not wrong for saying all lives matter, because that is correct. No life is more valuable than another, and you guys are so ****ing irritating for being mad if someone doesn't specifically mentions blacks.
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Member Since: 5/14/2011
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Originally posted by DrownedWorld
The absolute reaches in here.
I see her saying All Lives Matter to say that black deaths by police brutality should matter as much as white ones. As a white woman, it'd seem pretty patronizing if she said "Black Lives Matter" as it would seem like she's speaking for all black people. There was a rally at my school yesterday and they alternated chants between Black Lives Matter and All Lives Matter.
Instead of nitpicking there are several white artists much more in debt to the black community who have said nothing, we should be criticizing them.
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No that is not patronizing at all. What's patronizing is that she's inadvertently saying (WHETHER SHE INTENDS TO OR NOT) is that, hey your movement is not inclusive enough for my taste. Let me make it better.
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Member Since: 1/1/2014
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Originally posted by DrownedWorld
The absolute reaches in here.
I see her saying All Lives Matter to say that black deaths by police brutality should matter as much as white ones. As a white woman, it'd seem pretty patronizing if she said "Black Lives Matter" as it would seem like she's speaking for all black people. There was a rally at my school yesterday and they alternated chants between Black Lives Matter and All Lives Matter.
Instead of nitpicking there are several white artists much more in debt to the black community who have said nothing, we should be criticizing them.
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She's getting hammered from both sides. While I might not totally agree with what I think she believes she stuck her neck out and that I admire. I also think her views are not derived from hate....which is a bad place to start
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Such an idiotic tweet. Do better, Katy, I know you can.
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Member Since: 5/14/2011
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Originally posted by Kkamjong
The fact that people are mad she is saying ALL lives matter which INCLUDES Black people is beyond belief. This is why nothing will ever change, people are speaking out BUT that still isn't good enough. Why? "BECAUSE SHE DIDN'T JUST SAY BLACK PEOPLE! WE DON'T GIVE A **** ABOUT ANYONE ELSE! SAY BLACK LIVES MATTER, NOT ALL. WE DON'T CARE, WE ONLY CARE ABOUT BLACK LIVES!!!"
Like this is honestly what people are coming off as in this thread. Do you guys think THIS is how you get people to support a cause? This is how you get people to stand behind you?
ALL lives matter simple as that, Katy has acknowledged Ferguson and proclaimed that their lives matter through her all lives matter hashtag. I absolutely CANNOT at the idiots in here mad that she didn't say black lives specifically, when black lives ARE NOT more important than any other lives. She is not wrong for saying all lives matter, because that is correct. No life is more valuable than another, and you guys are so ****ing irritating for being mad if someone doesn't specifically mentions blacks.
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Are you seriously expecting Black people to change the movement that involves THEIR rights just so it can appease white people???! Is this a joke? You are supposed to support the movement not because it was tailored to your liking, but because that is your most minimal ethical obligation as a human being. According to the the history of the American judicial system WHITE PEOPLE'S LIVES ALREADY DO MATTER. Therefore, white people are not the demographic of focus here and won't benefit by having them included in this matter.
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I don't see why everyone's making a fuss about this... I mean surely her saying that All Lives Matter, means those of colour matters as much as White people and no life should be treated differently...
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Why can't she?
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educational queen
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Originally posted by chuckrr
Let me ask a question to you. Do you think if you had a group that committed over half the homicides in the country that their interaction with police might be a little higher? And yet that group that commits over half the murders accounts for about 35% of police killings. Now I can't even say that without being accused of racism. I don't want to look at that group as a group. I see the criminals and I see the rest of us. Those are my groups. And despite your use of the slogan de jur "white privilege" I do see racism. I just don't see it in these cases...I need some evidence.
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Exactly this. A minority of the population commits a majority of crime in this country so OF COURSE the numbers are going to be skewed one way.
The black community is also choosing criminals who did have a large wrong part to play in each of their unfortunate situations. Eric shouldn't have died, but he resisted arrest. By the time he was screaming "I can't breathe" the police probably thought it was a BS reason. What if they lessened their hold and this huge man was able to attack the police back? They were doing their best to control the situation and protect themselves and others.
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Originally posted by MonsterOfFame
Exactly this. A minority of the population commits a majority of crime in this country so OF COURSE the numbers are going to be skewed one way.
The black community is also choosing criminals who did have a large wrong part to play in each of their unfortunate situations. Eric shouldn't have died, but he resisted arrest. By the time he was screaming "I can't breathe" the police probably thought it was a BS reason. What if they lessened their hold and this huge man was able to attack the police back? They were doing their best to control the situation and protect themselves and others.
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Shut the **** up.
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Originally posted by Ressti
Why do white people make everything about them?
#BlackLivesMatter
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BTW, why was this warned? The criticism of #AllLivesMatter is it represents how white people cannot acknowledge black pain or black lives without making it about something else (or themselves). Seriously, are there even any black mods? Probably not - otherwise this never would have received a warning.
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Originally posted by MonsterOfFame
Exactly this. A minority of the population commits a majority of crime in this country so OF COURSE the numbers are going to be skewed one way.
The black community is also choosing criminals who did have a large wrong part to play in each of their unfortunate situations. Eric shouldn't have died, but he resisted arrest. By the time he was screaming "I can't breathe" the police probably thought it was a BS reason. What if they lessened their hold and this huge man was able to attack the police back? They were doing their best to control the situation and protect themselves and others.
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But that's inaccurate. The overwhelming number of minorities in prison is not a true representation of committed crimes in this country.
And perhaps I need to rewatch the Eric Garner video, but did they ever tell him why he was being arrested? Depending on the state, officers are required to inform you why you're being taken into custody, and they can't do so for any reason. They need probable cause or reasonable suspicion in order to seize your persons. I know loose cigarettes was mentioned in the video, but that alone may not be enough to search someone on the grounds of reasonable suspicion at the very least without some form of evidence which the officer never presented. Also, the officers had a duty to lesson their hold when Garner stated that he could not breathe. Besides the method being prohibited and therefore shouldn't have been employed to begin with, officers are trained to lesson their hold while also maintaining a firm enough grip to keep suspects secured. That officer did not follow such protocol. Instead they slammed Garner and pressed his face against the concrete.
Also I'm not sure which criminals within the Black community you're referring to, but neither Garner or Martin were criminals. Nor Renisha McBride, Jonathan Ferrell, Jordan Davis, Tamir Rice or even Mike Brown.
If we want to label young people who smoke, drink, and shoplift criminals, an overwhelming amount of Americans would be considered as such.
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She's such a hypocrite seeing as she showed no mercy on our fave's career.
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I just read through all this and tear up a bit as a black man at the ignorance spewing.
The movement is specifically pertaining to the multpile instances of the murder of men of color at the hands of white men/cops, and the end result being families broken and the shooter let off free as if all is fine.
I don't care if it "has happened" to others. NOT at the rate of the last 2-3 years. And black cases are rarely EVER covered in the news. So the mere fact that we have at least 4 or 5 in recent memory hit national television - all because a white man has shot a black - shows this is an issue.
Of course Katy meant no harm. But it shows she's ignorant. And is not at all brushed up on what #blacklivesmatter is. Like right above me, h.u.r.r.i.c.a.n.e. is taunting black people with the sarcastic comment. But what your dumb ass fails to understand is this movement has ONE specific agenda. That's why people are not happy with her tweet. This SPECIFIC cause doesn't broaden further than what it is. Why is that so hard to understand?
You all are sitting here telling us what we do and do not deserve. Telling us how we should feel about our kind being murdered over and over for no reason and with no reprimand in such a short period of time. Is there a limit of unjustified murders you need before it gets through your relatively thick skulls? Step off if you're lacking in knowledge about any of this.
I will end with saying I'm not surprised. Between these killings, Paula Deen, Cosby, etc. ATRL's non-minority have shown how they were raised very well.
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Originally posted by Rico Shameless v2
I just read through all this and tear up a bit as a black man at the ignorance spewing.
The movement is specifically pertaining to the multpile instances of the murder of men of color at the hands of white men/cops, and the end result being families broken and the shooter let off free as if all is fine.
I don't care if it "has happened" to others. NOT at the rate of the last 2-3 years. And black cases are rarely EVER covered in the news. So the mere fact that we have at least 4 or 5 in recent memory hit national television - all because a white man has shot a black - shows this is an issue.
Of course Katy meant no harm. But it shows she's ignorant. And is not at all brushed up on what #blacklivesmatter is. Like right above me, h.u.r.r.i.c.a.n.e. is taunting black people with the sarcastic comment. But what your dumb ass fails to understand is this movement has ONE specific agenda. That's why people are not happy with her tweet. This SPECIFIC cause doesn't broaden further than what it is. Why is that so hard to understand?
You all are sitting here telling us what we do and do not deserve. Telling us how we should feel about our kind being murdered over and over for no reason and with no reprimand in such a short period of time. Is there a limit of unjustified murders you need before it gets through your relatively thick skulls? Step off if you're lacking in knowledge about any of this.
I will end with saying I'm not surprised. Between these killings, Paula Deen, Cosby, etc. ATRL's non-minority have shown how they were raised very well.
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First of all, I'm sorry for coming off so strongly. I didn't mean to taunt anyone.
But here's where I take issue: Why don't you care if people of other ethnicities are being affected? I didn't lie. A life is a life and that's the point that people are trying to make whether it's #BlackLivesMatter or #AllLivesMatter.
Of course, I agree with you that this moment was initiated by these recent events and the conversation is generally focused on police brutality against black people. But why is it wrong to zoom out and take a look at the bigger picture? I really don't think there's anything wrong with that.
And if we use this as a springboard to talk about other related topics, why not? The amount of black deaths as a result of police brutality is small compared to other genocides happening all around the world. The overarching message is that people should not be subjected to violence and brutality unnecessarily because of their race. It's happening to a lot of people, not just black people. Therefore I take absolutely zero issue with #AllLivesMatter.
But frankly, you're right, I'm not black so I really don't understand the little intricacies and details. And I'm not white but again that doesn't really matter.
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I literally cannot at y'all coming for her
Getting angry over "#AllLivesMatter" is just like getting mad at gay marriage being called "Marriage Equality" instead of "Gay Marriage"
Literally doing the most, you all know what she meant
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Originally posted by h.u.r.r.i.c.a.n.e
First of all, I'm sorry for coming off so strongly. I didn't mean to taunt anyone.
But here's where I take issue: Why don't you care if people of other ethnicities are being affected? I didn't lie. A life is a life and that's the point that people are trying to make whether it's #BlackLivesMatter or #AllLivesMatter.
Of course, I agree with you that this moment was initiated by these recent events and the conversation is generally focused on police brutality against black people. But why is it wrong to zoom out and take a look at the bigger picture? I really don't think there's anything wrong with that.
And if we use this as a springboard to talk about other related topics, why not? The amount of black deaths as a result of police brutality is small compared to other genocides happening all around the world. The overarching message is that people should not be subjected to violence and brutality unnecessarily because of their race. It's happening to a lot of people, not just black people. Therefore I take absolutely zero issue with #AllLivesMatter.
But frankly, you're right, I'm not black so I really don't understand the little intricacies and details. And I'm not white but again that doesn't really matter.
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Black Lives Matter has been in effect since the Trayvon Martin case, almost 3 years. It's not a brand new thing, it has just picked up attention as more black men have been questionably killed by our police force.
There's nothing wrong with broadening, but in the particular case of this movement - switching it to #AllLivesMatter looks bad. All lives do matter, I wasn't speaking generally in the comment you bolded. That's non-negotiable. It's just that's not what this movement is about. Just like any other movement or support group pertaining to one thing. To bring awareness to one thing. This is one social issue that my race wants to bring sole awareness to because it is a specific problem. And people arguing against that just look like they are trying to take it away. Like your previous post and a bit of this one just feels like you're taking away something us African Americans are trying to create and build stamina with. Forcing it to be about everything, when it's not. Saying #AllLivesMatter correlating to this specific movement just feels like a silencing. Like "no you can't stand up and voice yourselves!!!", unless we include everyone.
Yes, there's genocide all around the world. Yes, black people aren't the only ones in history of police brutality to be victimized. But you know, and like I said, it's happened a damn lot in the last 3 years. And it was the same case during the Civil Rights movement when blacks were being beaten, murdered, hosed down to end racial segregation and gain equality. I'm sure if there were a thread about that movement, you wouldn't be in there typing " blacks aren't the only ones who deserve equality." Suggesting we haven't seen and still deal with that struggle.
They aren't little intricacies, they're big. But the fact that you don't understand, and believe this is part of the little intricacies shows why this movement is necessary.
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