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Chart Listings: iTunes Discussion Thread (August 2011 - July 2013)
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Originally posted by iamvladd
The thing with the UK is that it would be harder to shift singles out there without promotion. Also remember its going to scan 4M next week. I'm not sure of the population #s over there but I do know it's way smaller.
To get a hit over there you need to perform it somewhere.
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You don't need to do performance in the UK to get a hit here. Give Me Everything, Airplanes, Love the Way You Lie and Party Rock Anthem were some of the biggest hits of the past couple of years, and none of those artists came to the UK to promote the songs. They just sold and got to #1 from being played on the radio.
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Originally posted by GaGaFan
Is it just me, or is the GRAMMY effect much stronger this year than last year?
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No it is, the ratings increased by like 50% this year so 
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Originally posted by Tsuko
You don't need to do performance in the UK to get a hit here. Give Me Everything, Airplanes, Love the Way You Lie and Party Rock Anthem were some of the biggest hits of the past couple of years, and none of those artists came to the UK to promote the songs. They just sold and got to #1 from being played on the radio.
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None of those songs come from a 4 million selling album tho
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Originally posted by Super_freddie
Can we talk about NAKED for a bit? Does it still have a chance to get to the top or can we consider it a flop now? I know there is the video coming up and Dev has up coming performances
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idk why its underperforming 
its a great song...
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Originally posted by Tsuko
You don't need to do performance in the UK to get a hit here. Give Me Everything, Airplanes, Love the Way You Lie and Party Rock Anthem were some of the biggest hits of the past couple of years, and none of those artists came to the UK to promote the songs. They just sold and got to #1 from being played on the radio.
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LTWYL wasn't #1. The others hit's albums sold close to nothing.
SFTTR sold over 500k, most #1s don't sell that much.
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Originally posted by FAN
What kinda ****ery? I did NOT just go back some pages and see an abundance of hate for Miss Minaj? 
Starships is AMAZING. Best thing she's ever done for me, along with her part in Ass.  I'm so excited that Dr. Luke & Red One have 3 more songs each on the album  |
I am so excited for the new album.
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Originally posted by stevensaurusrex
What a load of ****.
Almost EVERY OTHER chart in the world is based solely on sales. The US was the ONLY country that put airplay above anything else. Airplay is not based of direct consumer demand so it's not an accurate representation of what's actually popular.
Pop smashes like "Toxic" and "This Love", despite being massive monster hits were blocked from #1 because they weren't black and therefore couldn't crossover to more formats.  |
Firstly, here in the UK RnB certainly dominated the mid-00's here, and our charts are based on sales. So here in the UK, RnB was selling a lot too, and it was nothing to do with airplay, people were CHOOSING to buy it.
Secondly, This Love was the 4th biggest song of 2004 in the US!!!!!! Yes, it was a massive hit and missed #1. So were Super Bass and Airplanes. Some songs are just unlucky and miss out. But the chart was dominated by airplay and was the 4th biggest song of 2004, so it WAS getting played on the radio. See here if you don't believe me: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Billboa...ingles_of_2004
Thirdly, Toxic WAS being played on US radio in 2004/2005. You realize the airplay factor of the Hot 100 is based on audience impressions? There were many stations playing songs like Toxic at the time, people simply weren't choosing to listen to them, so they weren't adding much to the Hot 100.
Fourthly, US radio is also largely request driven. People phone into the stations and ask them to play their favourite songs. If more people were requesting Toxic, more stations would've played it. Simple. All that radio stations care about is getting the most listeners. They played all of Usher's songs repeatedly because that's all that people were requesting. That's what got them the most people tuning in.
Fifthly, RnB and hip hop were still dominating the digital downloads aswell in 2005 when they were first included in the Hot 100. People though digital downloads would "prove" that RnB wasn't actually popular, but it didn't. It proved that RnB/hip hop actually was popular. See for yourself, it was Black Eyed Peas, Eminem, Mariah Carey, 50 Cent, Rihanna, Gwen Stefani, Kanye West, Will Smith, Snoop Dogg that were getting #1s that year in the DIGITAL chart: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...s_of_2005_(U.S.)
And finally, it's not to do with them being white. The biggest RnB hit of 2004 was by Fat Joe, a white rapper.
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Originally posted by Katy V.!
LTWYL wasn't #1. The others hit's albums sold close to nothing.
SFTTR sold over 500k, most #1s don't sell that much.
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Love the Way You Lie was the best-selling song of 2010 in the UK lol.
So you can get the best-selling song of the year in the UK without the artist coming over and promoting it.
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Originally posted by GN4L
idk why its underperforming
its a great song... |
I dont get it either.
I get it needs promo but it still a good song that needs to be doing good
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Naked is great, so bad it flopped (like "I Like How It Feels"). Bad for Enrique 
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Originally posted by Katy V.!
Naked is great, so bad it flopped (like "I Like How It Feels"). Bad for Enrique |
both are such masterpieces 
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RITD is like 10% over starchips, lol
Edit: oh you deleted, haha
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205. Call Me Maybe - Carly Rae Jepsen (+23)
The video of Justin Bieber, Selena Gomez and Ashley Tisdale is working for this song. 
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Originally posted by Katy V.!
Naked is great, so bad it flopped (like "I Like How It Feels"). Bad for Enrique |
I don't think we can consider it as flop yet Cus we still got the music video coming up.
And yeah ILHIF is such a masterpiece as well. Promo is needed here!!
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Originally posted by Allthatisholy
RITD is like 10% over starchips, lol
Edit: oh you deleted, haha
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 You're fast! I mixed up RITD and SLY....SLY is still where it is 
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Originally posted by Tsuko
Firstly, here in the UK RnB certainly dominated the mid-00's here, and our charts are based on sales. So here in the UK, RnB was selling a lot too, and it was nothing to do with airplay, people were CHOOSING to buy it.
Secondly, This Love was the 4th biggest song of 2004 in the US!!!!!! Yes, it was a massive hit and missed #1. So were Super Bass and Airplanes. Some songs are just unlucky and miss out. But the chart was dominated by airplay and was the 4th biggest song of 2004, so it WAS getting played on the radio. See here if you don't believe me: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Billboa...ingles_of_2004
Thirdly, Toxic WAS being played on US radio in 2004/2005. You realize the airplay factor of the Hot 100 is based on audience impressions? There were many stations playing songs like Toxic at the time, people simply weren't choosing to listen to them, so they weren't adding much to the Hot 100.
Fourthly, US radio is also largely request driven. People phone into the stations and ask them to play their favourite songs. If more people were requesting Toxic, more stations would've played it. Simple. All that radio stations care about is getting the most listeners. They played all of Usher's songs repeatedly because that's all that people were requesting. That's what got them the most people tuning in.
Fifthly, RnB and hip hop were still dominating the digital downloads aswell in 2005 when they were first included in the Hot 100. People though digital downloads would "prove" that RnB wasn't actually popular, but it didn't. It proved that RnB/hip hop actually was popular. See for yourself, it was Black Eyed Peas, Eminem, Mariah Carey, 50 Cent, Rihanna, Gwen Stefani, Kanye West, Will Smith, Snoop Dogg that were getting #1s that year in the DIGITAL chart: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...s_of_2005_(U.S.)
And finally, it's not to do with them being white. The biggest RnB hit of 2004 was by Fat Joe, a white rapper. |
I agree with everything u said except for the last line. Fat Joe is not white. He's latino and might as well be black because he is accepted by us black people and we never mention that he's latino lol. I miss the days where r&b/hip-hop ruled the charts lol.
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KWORB should promote NAKED!
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RHI would be Adeles 4th #1, I guarantee. She could probably go after the MJ record at this rate. She is such a digital powerhouse.
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Originally posted by Tsuko
Firstly, here in the UK RnB certainly dominated the mid-00's here, and our charts are based on sales. So here in the UK, RnB was selling a lot too, and it was nothing to do with airplay, people were CHOOSING to buy it.
Secondly, This Love was the 4th biggest song of 2004 in the US!!!!!! Yes, it was a massive hit and missed #1. So were Super Bass and Airplanes. Some songs are just unlucky and miss out. But the chart was dominated by airplay and was the 4th biggest song of 2004, so it WAS getting played on the radio. See here if you don't believe me: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Billboa...ingles_of_2004
Thirdly, Toxic WAS being played on US radio in 2004/2005. You realize the airplay factor of the Hot 100 is based on audience impressions? There were many stations playing songs like Toxic at the time, people simply weren't choosing to listen to them, so they weren't adding much to the Hot 100.
Fourthly, US radio is also largely request driven. People phone into the stations and ask them to play their favourite songs. If more people were requesting Toxic, more stations would've played it. Simple. All that radio stations care about is getting the most listeners. They played all of Usher's songs repeatedly because that's all that people were requesting. That's what got them the most people tuning in.
Fifthly, RnB and hip hop were still dominating the digital downloads aswell in 2005 when they were first included in the Hot 100. People though digital downloads would "prove" that RnB wasn't actually popular, but it didn't. It proved that RnB/hip hop actually was popular. See for yourself, it was Black Eyed Peas, Eminem, Mariah Carey, 50 Cent, Rihanna, Gwen Stefani, Kanye West, Will Smith, Snoop Dogg that were getting #1s that year in the DIGITAL chart: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...s_of_2005_(U.S.)
And finally, it's not to do with them being white. The biggest RnB hit of 2004 was by Fat Joe, a white rapper. |
Omg. 
Are you serious?
He's not denying it wasn't selling, he's just saying it had a major advantage with multiple formats supporting it. If two songs are both selling well, but one has a MAJOR advantage with airplay, both which are factored in for the placings on BB Hot 100, then guess which one will dominate?
And  @ requesting. "Toxic" went #1 on CHR/Pop. Was it not requested because it only got major airplay on one format? Formats like Urban and Urban AC wouldn't touch Pop with a 10 ft. pole, and Rhythmic wouldn't give it much. 
The **** you're typing.
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Originally posted by fortheloveofmusic
I agree with everything u said except for the last line. Fat Joe is not white. He's latino and might as well be black because he is accepted by us black people and we never mention that he's latino lol. I miss the days where r&b/hip-hop ruled the charts lol.
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Yeah, I'm trying to understand why he keeps saying Fat Joe is black. lol He is Latino. Tsuko must classify any non-black person as "white." Even if he were white, Remy Ma is black and Terror Squad was a group.
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