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Album: Lady Gaga - 'Born This Way' (#2)
Member Since: 8/10/2010
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I wouldn't be able to stomach another Just Dance or anything along that vein. She wants to be a serious pop star and it's pretty evident with everything she does. Pop music is more than just having bubbly lyrics and catchy hooks- it's about feeling and emotion and doing so in a way that is commercial. I don't think she has gone off the deep end at all, it's just different. It's the same different The Fame helped usher in, and BTW will have a similar impact. She is exactly right when she said pop music would never be low brow, and she proved that with BTW. It still has the cheesiness of before, but with a twist. She is in her preachy phase, and maybe she will grow out of it, but for now she is sending a message that she feels is important.
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The papito in GH...in fact GH in general is a fun song, it's hilarious.
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Yes! I was trying to think of that third one! 
There, three fun words in the album. She's still fun! She even has throw your hands up and dance dance dance type lyrics in there somewhere.
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Member Since: 4/28/2011
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Her evolution in her music is genius. I don't want generic "pop" music, and she gave us something totally different. I applaud Gaga for being herself and making this album, even though it was risky.
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Member Since: 8/10/2010
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Originally posted by Bea.
The papito in GH...in fact GH in general is a fun song, it's hilarious.
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Government Hooker is extremely humorous.
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Member Since: 10/3/2010
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Originally posted by FameHooker
I'm sorry Nicole, but I totally disagree with you. IMO, her music is still catchy as hell, fun and I'd dance to it all night. I'm not here for another Britney Spears...
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Member Since: 6/25/2010
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Originally posted by astronaut.
How is Judas not fun?
It's extremely over-the-top, & the concept and themes are fun, too. Like the disciples being a biker gang.
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It's boring. The water splashing her? 
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Member Since: 8/10/2010
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I agree her image is darker this time around, but its hot.
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Member Since: 6/1/2010
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Originally posted by Haus_of_Nicole
So here comes the page-long essay, moments after I decried someone for posting page-long essays. You probably don't give a ****, but I needed to say it and I wanted to say it in this thread. This is my Celestial moment, minus the self-contradicting anger.
The problem with BTW stems from Gaga herself. For better or worse, Gaga is the only major popstar whose music actually comes from her and reflects who she is. Since the release of the BTW single, people have said I'm being too hard on her, or that I'm unnecessarily negative. But based on everything Gaga was saying and doing since early 2010 ( "Oh Little Monsters, it's ok that you're gay b/c God made you this way and I too was bullied but look at me now!!!!"), I knew she was gearing up to jump the shark. I didn't like who she'd become, and I sensed that her music would suffer directly as a result of that. I hoped I would end up being wrong, so I stuck around for a whole year, but I should have known better.
To be more specific, this problem with Gaga (and with BTW since, as I said, she and her music are one and the same) and the reason I can't stan for her anymore, is that the album isn't really pop. It acts like it's above pop. It's not catchy, or fun, or have huge killer hooks that make the whole world want to just dance. This is a problem for me because the first thing Gaga epicly declared when she burst onto the music scene was "POP MUSIC WILL NEVER BE LOW BROW." Did "never" mean less than 3 years? What happened to that girl? What happened to her sense of fun? Why, after such a bold declaration, is she trying to move away from pop instead of raising the bar within the pop genre? I won't even get into her now-off putting gimmicks. I said page-long essay, not book.
Gaga can act like she's totally unpredictable all she wants, but she's become anything but. I told Perez last fall that based simply on her interviews and videos, BTW was gearing up to be a self-indulgent, fun-free, preachy, bloated mess. At the time he didn't respond, but the other day he told me that he met up with her, remembered my comment, and told her that people miss her former sense of fun, charm and playfulness. He wanted to put it into her consciousness and make sure she's at least aware. So as a fan I've done my part. But I can't act like some other fanbases, and keep clinging to her simply because I'm attached to her. I can't act like those who insist "Godney" is still exciting, when she now offers nothing more than some Ke$ha-lite beats expertly engineered by her fancy team. Or that "Beysus" has an epic new single sooo much better than the demo, when it's actually another sampled mess and the most horrendous aural assault since I can't remember when. Try as I may, I can't be passionate about Lady Gaga anymore and I have to be honest instead of pretending - I was born this way after all and Gaga would want me to be true to myself and honor my e-vomit  . Deep down though, I'll always have a spot for her and root for her, since I can't totally erase the last 3 years from consciousness and act like she didn't have a huge effect on me. |
This is the first essay on this board I have fully read in quite some time.
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Originally posted by Monster
Government Hooker is extremely humorous.
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Heavy Metal Lover is funny too, sexy and funny. As is Bad Kids, that whole song is an oxymoron the music and the lyrics give opposing messages.
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I knew someone would bring up that part. 
Eh, I still think it's fun. The whole biker theme & getting stoned in that gorgeous outfit at the end. 
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We'll miss you Nicole. 
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Member Since: 6/16/2010
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Originally posted by Haus of Dye
Her evolution in her music is genius. I don't want generic "pop" music, and she gave us something totally different. I applaud Gaga for being herself and making this album, even though it was risky.
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Member Since: 12/17/2010
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If this is Gaga's "Like A Prayer" let's pray she doesn't make an "American Life"
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Member Since: 11/30/2009
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Nicole. 
A few months ago you were telling me Government Hooker was EXACTLY what you wanted from a Gaga song. At what point did you have this epiphany and decide that you're here for the basic ass "fun" Gaga from The Fame days? Still, I'd argue this record is much more fun than TFM.
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Member Since: 5/27/2010
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I just find the idea that BTW is some sort of "betrayal of pop" to be rather silly and unfounded. Gaga saying pop will never be lowbrow wasn't a promise to remake Just Dance ten times over, it meant that pop is just as legitimate an art form as any other genre of music, despite what its many detractors may say, and she's given some pretty spectacular examples of why that is with TFM/BTW. I don't think pop has to carry an "important message" or be somewhat experimental to be great, but having either of those attributes is hardly mutually exclusive to being good, enjoyable pop.
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American Life ***** on lives.
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Originally posted by Haus_of_Nicole
The problem with BTW stems from Gaga herself. For better or worse, Gaga is the only major popstar whose music actually comes from her and reflects who she is. Since the release of the BTW single, people have said I'm being too hard on her, or that I'm unnecessarily negative. But based on everything Gaga was saying and doing since early 2010 ("Oh Little Monsters, it's ok that you're gay b/c God made you this way and I too was bullied but look at me now!!!!"), I knew she was gearing up to jump the shark. I didn't like who she'd become, and I sensed that her music would suffer directly as a result of that. I hoped I would end up being wrong, so I stuck around for a whole year, but I should have known better.
To be more specific, this problem with Gaga (and with BTW since, as I said, she and her music are one and the same) and the reason I can't stan for her anymore, is that the album isn't really pop. It acts like it's above pop. It's not catchy, or fun, or have huge killer hooks that make the whole world want to just dance. This is a problem for me because the first thing Gaga epicly declared when she burst onto the music scene was "POP MUSIC WILL NEVER BE LOW BROW." Did "never" mean less than 3 years? What happened to that girl? What happened to her sense of fun? Why, after such a bold declaration, is she trying to move away from pop instead of raising the bar within the pop genre? I won't even get into her now-off putting gimmicks. I said page-long essay, not book.
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Originally posted by Dancehall Queen
American Life ***** on lives.
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What is this ****ery?
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Originally posted by MrPeanut
I just find the idea that BTW is some sort of "betrayal of pop" to be rather silly and unfounded. Gaga saying pop will never be lowbrow wasn't a promise to remake Just Dance ten times over, it meant that pop is just as legitimate an art form as any other genre of music, despite what its many detractors may say, and she's given some pretty spectacular examples of why that is with TFM/BTW. I don't think pop has to carry an "important message" or be somewhat experimental to be great, but having either of those attributes is hardly mutually exclusive to being good, enjoyable pop.
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This. I can't say enough how much I agree with this.
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