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Fan Base: Pink
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CTMH/M!ss/TT level of diversity is virtually unheard of in the pop world. Too bad she got scared of under performing commercially.
I still love IND but musically, it was a step back.
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Member Since: 7/15/2012
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Originally posted by Grenn-O
fh is my third favorite pink album! it's so bittersweet. and i find bad influence to be a great party song. i wouldn't change many things on that album. there are some musical choices that should have been improved (mainly on it's all your fault), but overall it's a great album. crystal ball and mean are highlights and glitter in the air is out of this plane of existence! it's incredible <3
but she should've moved on and grow artistically after fh. i get that she needed that safe space for fh what with the break-up and all, but after the fh era and all the acclaim she got for her tour and how musically she's grown -- and she noticed that herself by claiming she wanted to go to nashville to record a rock album for album #6 -- she decides to not follow it up but to go backwards and do TTAL? kind of a slap in the face and she, once again, sold herself short talent-wise.
CTMH/m!ss/TT was a great progression, IND/FH/TTAL not so much. i hope with the next decade of eras she'll have that old spark back.
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Actually, I think she's at a point where she deserves that little bit of comfort now! People finally acknowledge her hard work with millions of sales and plenty of sold out venues so I can see why she enjoys that universal support for a while before getting risky again. In 30 years, when she's old and no one cares about her anymore, she'll have the chance to explore and grow as an artist as much as she wants. But for now, I think she just wants to tour and have fun with everyone - the die-hard fans and the casual ones which is why she needs a lot of hits and safe albums to convince her label.
So let's just enjoy it as it is. I mean, as long as she keeps having success, thousands of people will join us and become stans, too. And of course it won't last forever, so the days she loses the GP's attention and starts flopping finally, we'll experience a whole new side of her cause then she'll be free to do whatever the fck she wants to do and our patience will eventually pay off! Sounds like a win win situation to me!
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Member Since: 7/15/2012
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Originally posted by Underdogs
CTMH/M!ss/TT level of diversity is virtually unheard of in the pop world. Too bad she got scared of under performing commercially.
I still love IND but musically, it was a step back.
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Even if it was - without that 'step back' 90% of this base wouldn't even exist!
Yeah, P!nk would be an independent artist who'd make the most incredible music ever....and yet, no one would be there to hear it cause it would lack all those easy, generic hits + global tours to make it even accessible to us.
Tbh, I'd rather have it this way - to be collected first and then rewarded in the end when she reaches her full potential!!
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Member Since: 6/24/2012
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Originally posted by Spyro
Actually, I think she's at a point where she deserves that little bit of comfort now! People finally acknowledge her hard work with millions of sales and plenty of sold out venues so I can see why she enjoys that universal support for a while before getting risky again. In 30 years, when she's old and no one cares about her anymore, she'll have the chance to explore and grow as an artist as much as she wants. But for now, I think she just wants to tour and have fun with everyone - the die-hard fans and the casual ones which is why she needs a lot of hits and safe albums to convince her label.
So let's just enjoy it as it is. I mean, as long as she keeps having success, thousands of people will join us and become stans, too. And of course it won't last forever, so the days she loses the GP's attention and starts flopping finally, we'll experience a whole new side of her cause then she'll be free to do whatever the fck she wants to do and our patience will eventually pay off! Sounds like a win win situation to me!
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i honestly don't think she should wait to grow artistically. she can explore new sounds or delve into something different or something she's rarely done and still be successful. sure, she will shed some fair-weather fans this way (and i'd be actually glad if she did), but at the same time gain recognition, respect and fandom from music lovers. m!ss was one of her most successful albums because she took chances and explored new sounds. sure, TT didn't do as well, but i think it was more because she didn't give people a chance to breathe between eras and it was a bit ahead of its time. it was still successful: her TT tour was immense in europe (i had so much fun) and trouble got her a grammy. commercially it could have done better, but it doesn't rid the fact that the album in itself is a masterpiece.
what i'm saying is that she should really not run in circles and only give one or two good songs per era that are slightly a bit different than what she's done since 2006. i don't think i even would argue all this if she herself wasn't someone who i know loves to take risks and create music that is not the norm and more on the alternative side in regards to what pop stars are doing these days. she's an old soul. if she had done rnb and stuck with it and did it perfectly for all these years, then great! but pink is someone who takes chances so it's disheartening to see how her talent in making great albums goes a bit to waste.
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Member Since: 7/22/2012
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TT did flop because world was tired of her. She was everywhere with M!ss, and released Trouble basically 6 months after Family Portrait. People didn't even know if she released new album or not.
On the other side, IND is along with M!ss my favorite album by her, so I would agree with Spyro that she wouldn't have much stans and AUS dominance if it weren't for IND.
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Member Since: 3/16/2012
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Originally posted by Spyro
Even if it was - without that 'step back' 90% of this base wouldn't even exist!
Yeah, P!nk would be an independent artist who'd make the most incredible music ever....and yet, no one would be there to hear it cause it would lack all those easy, generic hits + global tours to make it even accessible to us.
Tbh, I'd rather have it this way - to be collected first and then rewarded in the end when she reaches her full potential!!
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Agreed. I don't think her progression from TT to IND was "backwards." In fact, I think she went more pop on IND without sellin out or being too pop. Sure there's a stupid song or two on IND, but it just may be her best "pop" album
Idk, for me IND and FH are my favorite albums of hers. TT is very consistent, but it's only consistently good imo (with the exception of WFL), never great. And M! And TTAL are, imo, extremely inconsistent--some great tracks and some very bad ones. Idk.
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Member Since: 6/24/2012
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Originally posted by Underdogs
CTMH/M!ss/TT level of diversity is virtually unheard of in the pop world. Too bad she got scared of under performing commercially.
I still love IND but musically, it was a step back.
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yeah, it came to a bit of a halt back then.
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You can be a successful female pop artist while still experimenting with new sounds. See: Ray Of Light.
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Member Since: 6/24/2012
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Originally posted by conatus
You can be a successful female pop artist while still experimenting with new sounds. See: Ray Of Light.
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exactemundo.
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Member Since: 9/1/2012
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See: Missundaztood.
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Member Since: 9/5/2012
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I agree with Spyro. TTAL is her most successful album since M!ss, and has had the most popular single till now. I want P!nk to be popular and I want her to have lots of fans and I'm happy she managed that during the last era. Also, her highest rated album at metacritic (lol), more than Adele's 25 for example.
At the same time, I have no clue what she will give us next. She must have used up all her break up songs at TTAL and she has also said that she is useless when she is happy, which is unfortunately the reason it is taking her so long. So I am very curious about what she will bring lyrically. Poor P!nk must have nothing to write about.
I also would like something different, more rock (White rabbit sounds amazing), but still 2-3 radio friendly songs. I want to be able to play few songs at parties
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Member Since: 6/24/2012
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Originally posted by Braz
See: Missundaztood.
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best album
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Member Since: 7/15/2012
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Originally posted by Grenn-O
i honestly don't think she should wait to grow artistically. she can explore new sounds or delve into something different or something she's rarely done and still be successful. sure, she will shed some fair-weather fans this way (and i'd be actually glad if she did), but at the same time gain recognition, respect and fandom from music lovers. m!ss was one of her most successful albums because she took chances and explored new sounds. sure, TT didn't do as well, but i think it was more because she didn't give people a chance to breathe between eras and it was a bit ahead of its time. it was still successful: her TT tour was immense in europe (i had so much fun) and trouble got her a grammy. commercially it could have done better, but it doesn't rid the fact that the album in itself is a masterpiece.
what i'm saying is that she should really not run in circles and only give one or two good songs per era that are slightly a bit different than what she's done since 2006. i don't think i even would argue all this if she herself wasn't someone who i know loves to take risks and create music that is not the norm and more on the alternative side in regards to what pop stars are doing these days. she's an old soul. if she had done rnb and stuck with it and did it perfectly for all these years, then great! but pink is someone who takes chances so it's disheartening to see how her talent in making great albums goes a bit to waste.
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Yeah I get your point but M!ss was ages ago and she didn’t have that much to lose back then…not like today. Her image these days is extremely reliable and she has become a huge brand for catchy pop rock tunes and those countless love you/hate you lyrics that everybody loves. It is the music she feels the most confident with and also, it happens to be the most rewarding thing she’s ever done judging by the sales, critics, followers etc. Basically everything that’s measurable. The quality of how much people really respect you is impossible to measure but its quantity, the actual sales, are plain for her to see. And as someone who’s been in the music business for so long, I can imagine all those talks about finances, promotions, stats blabla to leave a certain impact on her mind which lets her see things differently + influences her way of making decisions today.
TTAL was a huge success and let’s be honest now – despite all the Signature Move’s and the HCTW’s she still delivered a good the album. She might not have started any trends with it but she didn’t really follow any either which is something we often forget! Yes she wants to sell her products but unlike many others, she’s still far from being a sellout and no matter what she does, there’s always a balance that she maintains which allows her great benefits of both worlds. She’s popular yet credible and her position gives her a voice which is not only loud enough to be heard - but which is also respected and trusted among millions of people.
Sooo I’m not saying that experimenting automatically leads to flopping or that she should stick with this sound for the next 30 years. But leaving her strong signature sound behind is a high risk which she apparently doesn’t want to make…..yet! And which she probably got good reasons for - which we can only speculate cause she's most likely never gonna tell us.
But it is definitely gonna happen in the future and for now, I’d say we just need to be more patient with her and simply trust her instincts. After all, it is them which even brought her this far
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Member Since: 7/15/2012
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Originally posted by MeAndMyHand
At the same time, I have no clue what she will give us next. She must have used up all her break up songs at TTAL and she has also said that she is useless when she is happy, which is unfortunately the reason it is taking her so long. So I am very curious about what she will bring lyrically. Poor P!nk must have nothing to write about.
I also would like something different, more rock (White rabbit sounds amazing), but still 2-3 radio friendly songs. I want to be able to play few songs at parties
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I wouldn't count on that - where those songs come from there's probably a looooot more. But as long as she keeps compensating it with other great tracks or actual albums (roseave 2.0 ) I'm fine with it.
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Member Since: 7/15/2012
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Originally posted by conatus
You can be a successful female pop artist while still experimenting with new sounds. See: Ray Of Light.
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Or not. See: Bionic
Nah honestly, there's nothing wrong with experimenting but it's her choice whether she's going to take that risk or not.
If she wants to do it - great! if not then who are we to judge her? Instead of focusing on her and pushing her, there's still plenty of other risky musicians we would discover in the meantime
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Member Since: 3/16/2012
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Originally posted by Spyro
I wouldn't count on that - where those songs come from there's probably a looooot more. But as long as she keeps compensating it with other great tracks or actual albums (roseave 2.0 ) I'm fine with it.
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Idk I'd personally be annoyed if she released another boy bashing heartbreak song. It'd be beyond stupid at this point, considering she's been in a committed relationship for, how long now? Not to mention she's married..itd just look stupid. I don't miiiiind fun tracks per se, but I do mind them when they're stupid. Even if they are catchy, I'd prefer them somewhere else on someone else's album.
Like why are all seven bonus tracks from TTAL better than half the album tracks?
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Member Since: 6/24/2012
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spyro, i think we kinda have to agree to disagree on this.
i just think that her musical art came to a bit of a halt. i get that she feels comfy and it almost sounded like an apology to herself and her fans when she said that she needed a safe zone of producers she already knew when she recorded fh. but i totally got that. those were harsh times for her and i bet she might have felt very closed-off during a recording session with a new producer during those times.
i guess i know where linda is coming from when she says we haven't really heard the true voice and the true talent that is pink. i don't think we have either. we've got glimpses. moreso in the early 2000s than afterwards, but i am always hoping she will blow people away with giving it all -- also musically. and i don't think i wanna wait much longer. i've been patient for a decade lol
i hope her involvement in through the looking glass (the white rabbit cover and the original song for the film) are indicating a boost in musical creativeness with a large spectrum of sounds that have a new and cohesive vibe for her new record. i am not holding my breath though, but i wish she won't shy away from really putting it out there any longer.
about finding/listening to other artists who are more creative: i can do that, too (and i am), but i am also a pink fan and am rooting for her artistry as well and judging from the you+me interviews she kinda feels a bit stuck and frustrated with the current situation in music and how labels control everything. i hope it's not again nothing but hot air like her interview about her going to nashville :/
btw: you got mail
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i loved bridge of light, so i am not worried about the original song for the movie if she teamed up with billy. i can't wait to hear in what direction it'll go! psychedelicness at its best, i hope
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