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Celeb News: Madonna - MDNA Tour
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Originally posted by Swag
Music, Ray of Light and La Isla Bonita have been performed to the pits (Tv Performances, Live Earth, Live Aid, DWT, Reinvention, S&S) I would be bored to death to keep watching the same songs over and over again
During Sex, Erotica, and American Life she chose to follow her artistic desires above commercial success and it paid off, judging by the how they are fan favorites (true fans, not those that recently jumped on the ship) and by the work delivered during those eras which is some of her best
Nice try but you clearly don't understand Madonna at all if you expect her to sing the same songs all the time and to not follow her own artistic desires
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I know they've been performed before but I just love Ray of Light and La Isla Bonita so much I wish she'd perform them over and over again 
Her artistic desires almost ruined her entire career, therefore you have to admit she's made mistakes before. And I won't even get started on American Life, that album really is not a fan favorite whatsoever.
And nice try? I know that Madonna doesn't like performing the same songs over and over again, that's why I said it was dream setlist. I was being "realistic" because I included some MDNA songs in it.
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Originally posted by Swag
They are not even Madonna fans  as proven by their post history, but rather someone else's fans disguised as Madonna fans to try to bring the queen down
The tour is flawless and general consensus of true fans in Madonna forums is positive, so no need to fix what isn't broken |
If you're such a great Madonna stan, why do you keep applauding her as she continues to drag her own legacy through the mud? 
There are a lot of fans that hate this tour.
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Originally posted by Ainsworth
There's no need to bitch at someone for wanting a set list with old songs on it. Like seriously, Swag? That would probably improve the quality of the tour.
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Thank you 
I haven't had a chance to go to a Madonna tour yet and planned on going to this one. Unfortunately things didn't plan out the way I wanted it to (in terms of myself, not Madonna) so I just thought I'd post the setlist I had in mind.
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Originally posted by SimonVenekeo
You just mentioned exactly the reason why I love her. Yes that era was a MESS for her, but look what it's done for her legacy. Who else's fave has been able to release a sex book that becomes a part of pop culture history?  |
I loved the Erotica era too (one of my fave Madonna albums) but it really did damage her career at the time. She had to release Bedtime Stories, Something to Remember, and do Evita (although that was a long dream of hers) just to soften her image.
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Originally posted by Swag
They are not even Madonna fans as proven by their post history, but rather someone else's fans disguised as Madonna fans to try to bring the queen down
The tour is flawless and general consensus of true fans in Madonna forums is positive, so no need to fix what isn't broken |
Look at my post history? Then you'll see me constantly making threads praising, examining, and sometimes criticizing madonna's music. Why would that make me not a fan?
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Originally posted by Dream
I know they've been performed before but I just love Ray of Light and La Isla Bonita so much I wish she'd perform them over and over again
Her artistic desires almost ruined her entire career, therefore you have to admit she's made mistakes before. And I won't even get started on American Life, that album really is not a fan favorite whatsoever.
And nice try? I know that Madonna doesn't like performing the same songs over and over again, that's why I said it was dream setlist. I was being "realistic" because I included some MDNA songs in it. |
They may not have been commercially paralleled to her previous works yet they were still successful and AL in particular gave some of her most intimate introspective songs which fans enjoy
During the confessions era Madonna fans were bitching they would kill themselves if she performed LIB, ROL and Music once more
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Originally posted by Swag
They may not have been commercially paralleled to her previous works yet they were still successful and AL in particular gave some of her most intimate introspective songs which fans enjoy
During the confessions era Madonna fans were bitching they would kill themselves if she performed LIB, ROL and Music once more
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Not this Madonna fan (although I'm not too keen on 'Music' but I do love it when it's performed live).
American Life and Erotica were not successful, like I said especially the 'Erotica' era almost ended her career. 'American Life' also ruined any sort of radio support she had in the US. I mean look at her single chartings starting with that album:
American Life: #37
Hollywood, Nothing Fails, Love Profusion did not chart.
Hung Up: #7
Sorry: #58
Get Together, and Jump did not chart.
4 Minutes: #3
Give It 2 Me: #57
Miles Away did not chart.
Celebration: #77
Revolver did not chart.
Give Me All Your Luvin': #10
Girl Gone Wild and Turn Up the Radio did not chart.
Both eras damaged her career and while I think Madonna is amazing, I also look at things like this objectively. She has made mistakes before in her career but what's more important is that she has managed to overcome them which I'm not denying.
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Originally posted by Dream
I loved the Erotica era too (one of my fave Madonna albums) but it really did damage her career at the time. She had to release Bedtime Stories, Something to Remember, and do Evita (although that was a long dream of hers) just to soften her image.
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The 'softening' her image argument is another false misconstruction of the most hating Madonna fanbase which has been falsely believed as real mostly by people who didn't actually live those Madonna Eras
There's nothing 'soft' about Bedtime Stories, just because it's r&b and ballads it doesn't make it less abrasive and risky, i.e.- Human Nature, Bedtime Story, Sanctuary, Forbidden Love
S2R: A ballad collection was due, it had to happen at one point or the other and since she was emerged in her Evita role she didn't have time for a studio album hence WB releasing S2R since they couldn't release another GH since she had only released 2 studio albums (Erotica, BS) after her first GH: Immaculate Collection
Evita was a lifelong dream even before Erotica so dont even try to make it something it isn't
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Originally posted by Swag
The 'softening' her image argument is another false misconstruction of the most hating Madonna fanbase which has been falsely believed as real mostly by people who didn't actually live those Madonna Eras
There's nothing 'soft' about Bedtime Stories, just because it's r&b and ballads it doesn't make it less abrasive and risky, i.e.- Human Nature, Bedtime Story, Sanctuary, Forbidden Love
S2R: A ballad collection was due, it had to happen at one point or the other and since she was emerged in her Evita role she didn't have time for a studio album hence WB releasing S2R since they couldn't release another GH since she had only released 2 studio albums (Erotica, BS) after her first GH: Immaculate Collection
Evita was a lifelong dream even before Erotica so dont even try to make it something it isn't
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If she didn't soften her image her career would be over, so actually it's a legitimate argument. Human Nature is the only really risky song on the album, I'm glad she's performing that at the MDNA tour 
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Confessions was an apology to the fans she lost from American Life. That's a FACT.
Bedtime Stories was also an apology but she also used that opportunity to stretch her artistic horizons.
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Originally posted by Dream
Not this Madonna fan (although I'm not too keen on 'Music' but I do love it when it's performed live).
American Life and Erotica were not successful, like I said especially the 'Erotica' era almost ended her career. 'American Life' also ruined any sort of radio support she had in the US. I mean look at her single chartings starting with that album:
American Life: #37
Hollywood, Nothing Fails, Love Profusion did not chart.
Hung Up: #7
Sorry: #58
Get Together, and Jump did not chart.
4 Minutes: #3
Give It 2 Me: #57
Miles Away did not chart.
Celebration: #77
Revolver did not chart.
Give Me All Your Luvin': #10
Girl Gone Wild and Turn Up the Radio did not chart.
Both eras damaged her career and while I think Madonna is amazing, I also look at things like this objectively. She has made mistakes before in her career but what's more important is that she has managed to overcome them which I'm not denying.
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The chartings have to do with the U.S. radio boicot that started with AL because of it's anti bush theme
Anyway this tour is amazing and the numbers speak for themselves, good night
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Originally posted by Swag
The 'softening' her image argument is another false misconstruction of the most hating Madonna fanbase which has been falsely believed as real mostly by people who didn't actually live those Madonna Eras
There's nothing 'soft' about Bedtime Stories, just because it's r&b and ballads it doesn't make it less abrasive and risky, i.e.- Human Nature, Bedtime Story, Sanctuary, Forbidden Love
S2R: A ballad collection was due, it had to happen at one point or the other and since she was emerged in her Evita role she didn't have time for a studio album hence WB releasing S2R since they couldn't release another GH since she had only released 2 studio albums (Erotica, BS) after her first GH: Immaculate Collection
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Bedtime Stories was definitely 'soft', she worked with big-time producers for the the first time to get herself a hit album. The imagery from the album was also toned down compared to Erotica.
S2R: If the Erotica backlash did not happen, it would not have even crossed her mind to release a ballad collection. Even the critics note that it was released purely to soften Madonna's image.
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Evita was a lifelong dream even before Erotica so dont even try to make it something it isn't
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I didn't. Look at what I said:
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Originally posted by Dream
I loved the Erotica era too (one of my fave Madonna albums) but it really did damage her career at the time. She had to release Bedtime Stories, Something to Remember, and do Evita (although that was a long dream of hers) just to soften her image.
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Originally posted by Swag
The chartings have to do with the U.S. radio boicot that started with AL because of it's anti bush theme
Anyway this tour is amazing and the numbers speak for themselves, good night
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Exactly! 'American Life' ruined any US radio airplay she had, therefore that is a mistake she made in her career. You proved my point.
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Originally posted by Dream
S2R: If the Erotica backlash did not happen, it would not have even crossed her mind to release a ballad collection.
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How do you know it? Have you been inside Madonna's mind? 
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you all need to take a break and pray for forgiveness. 
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This really looks like Madonna
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Originally posted by Tainted Blood
How do you know it? Have you been inside Madonna's mind? |
No, but why else would she release a ballad collection? It was to soften her image, if the Erotica era did not receive the backlash it did she would not have released it. Lots of things she did from 1993-1998 were primarily to improve her image.
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Originally posted by Dream
No, but why else would she release a ballad collection? It was to soften her image, if the Erotica era did not receive the backlash it did she would not have released it. Lots of things she did from 1993-1998 were primarily to improve her image. |
I already stated the facts of why she released s2r yet you choose not to hear and take whatever you say as a fact even when you don't explain nor back it up with anything.
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S2R: A ballad collection was due, it had to happen at one point or the other and since she was emerged in her Evita role she didn't have time for a studio album hence WB releasing S2R since they couldn't release another GH since she had only released 2 studio albums (Erotica, BS) after her first GH: Immaculate Collection
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Originally posted by Dream
No, but why else would she release a ballad collection? It was to soften her image, if the Erotica era did not receive the backlash it did she would not have released it. Lots of things she did from 1993-1998 were primarily to improve her image. |
and she breaks it all down with the release of american life.
the logic.
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