[Sunderland 4ever]

I find rather hypocritical the massive campaigns of solidarization with French people. This happens almost every day in the Middle East and I don't see people making as much fuss about it. Both things are terrible, but I find those types of campaigns offensive towards people from the Middle East, to give an example.

Anyway, I guess these attacks mean no more Visa Schengen for us Peruvians.

[J a y]

Originally posted by BadMonster

You know what, we could not have done that, but 99.9% is not a terrorist and the real terrorists have networks to help them acquire false passports or they just book a holiday to Europe and execute their plan then..

Very true, we basically just made it so much easier for them.

[Opacho]

Originally posted by BadMonster

Greek government has confirmed that the Syrian suicide bomber who killed himself near Stade de France yesterday entered Europe through Leros in Greece in October
http://www.rtlnieuws.nl/nieuws/buite...-binnengereisd

Oh

[LoKoPaNdA]

Originally posted by Keinware

dun go out sis if its not necessary Do you have enough food?

It's really quiet here (not Paris, another city 3 hours away). Just downtown there were some protests

[Skins]

Originally posted by BadMonster

Greek government has confirmed that the Syrian suicide bomber who killed himself near Stade de France yesterday entered Europe through Leros in Greece in October
http://www.rtlnieuws.nl/nieuws/buite...-binnengereisd

Yikes

[J a y]

Originally posted by Jicky

How you know, boy not even the Germans know who they let in. Admitted by government officials

It was a mass free-for-all, idk why the crisis was reported with so much bias.

As if the West knows that informing us a group of non-Syrian Nigerians had traveled to Europe would only cause outrage.

Bit late for that for those of us who bothered to check the footage ourselves.

I sat watching videos with people of dark skin colour and thick African accents saying they wanted our money.

But that's derailing from the topic at hand, so I'll stop there. Just proving your point, in short.

[z10]

There are probably hundreds that have come back. The fact 1 is confirmed to have come through as a migrant is gonna cause a HUGEEEEE mess

[z10]

Originally posted by J a y

It was a mass free-for-all, idk why the crisis was reported with so much bias.

As if the West knows that informing us a group of non-Syrian Nigerians had traveled to Europe would only cause outrage.

Bit late for that for those of us who bothered to check the footage ourselves.

I sat watching videos with people of dark skin colour and thick African accents saying they wanted our money.

But that's derailing from the topic at hand, so I'll stop there. Just proving your point, in short.

I remember Syrians telling reporters so many other people weren't Syrians and faking it

[BoyOnBoy Wonder]

No one's going to want them now. And sadly, I understand where the other side is coming from now (not that I agree).

[Keinware]

Originally posted by LoKoPaNdA

It's really quiet here (not Paris, another city 3 hours away). Just downtown there were some protests

Protests could weaken public security tho... Try to avoid going to the places that usually are many people...

[BoyOnBoy Wonder]

Originally posted by Gouldkaty

Judaism and christianity have homophobia

Atheists can be homophobic too.

[jonasha]

Simply put, no more refugees. The small percent ruined it for everyone.

[J a y]

Originally posted by Bad Kid.

I remember Syrians telling reporters so many other people weren't Syrians and faking it

!

However most of the major reports were about the people that had genuinely come to us for help, but little of the brutality, and blatant disrespect towards our aid and utter chaos it caused multiple countries.

It's too late to speak of what ifs and what went wrong now though. Truly a mess, in every sense of the word.

[BadMonster]

Originally posted by Bad Kid.

There are probably hundreds that have come back. The fact 1 is confirmed to have come through as a migrant is gonna cause a HUGEEEEE mess

this means there are THOUSANDS of potential terrorists in my city

[revel8]

We need to be realistic. Islamic extremists number more than just a few people. Probably hundreds of thousands globally share the viewpoint of supporting atrocities like we've seen last night in France. ISIS is estimated at 10-100k fighters. You also have the Taliban in Afghanistan,Tehrik-i-Taliban in Pakistan, Islamic militants in Kashmir. Al Quaeda operating in Iraq/Syria/Yemen, Boko Haram in Nigeria, Al Shabaab in Somalia.

All of these organisations are Islamic Sunni terrorist groups who believe in fighting for their various territories and that their interpretation of Islam (Wahhabism) gives them religious justification for doing so. Let's be clear the vast majority of muslims are not members of these organisations, or share their interpretation of Islam. So these Islamic groups are very much a minority of Sunni Muslims. We need to also be clear that despite them being a minority, they are still a significant number and widespread and committed enough to enforce their beliefs on others. They believe they have scriptural justification for their interpretation of Islam, they don't agree with dissenters on this point, and they are willing to enforce their interpretation on others with violence. Tolerance of a different way of life is not something they generally allow. Saying that they are not true Muslims is just pointless. They believe they are true Muslims and are willing to kill those who have a different interpretation of Islam. Ironically enough, the vast majority of the people these organisations victimise and kill are also Muslims.

These extremist groups consider Muslims who do not agree with their interpretation of Islam as hypocrites or apostates, and thus acceptable targets for conquest, rape, murder. They also don't consider Shia Muslims as being Muslims either and actively target them. Iran is a Shia Islamic Theocracy. And as such is an enemy of these Sunni muslim extremist groups.

In the West we often get focussed on American foreign policy and what that does to improve things or make things worse in the Middle East. The reality is that the Middle East is in the middle of a regional struggle between Sunni Arab Saudi Arabia and Shia Persian Iran that is playing out in proxy wars. Iran doesn't really have any friends in the region except Assad of Syria. Iran has backed the Hezbollah Shia militia who now control the southern part of Lebanon close to Israel and are too entrenched for Lebanon (or Israel) to displace.

The current conflict in Syria is very complicated. Hezbollah have been fighting to help keep Assad in power in Syria, because Assad is an ally of Iran. Saudi Arabia oppose Iran, and want Assad overthrown. The new King of Saudi Arabia, has raised an army of mercenaries who are fighting in Syria to overthow Assad. So Iranian-backed forces are fighting Saudi-backed forces in Syria. Plus you have ISIS (and Al Nusra) who are Sunni Islamic extremist groups fighting both Assad/Hezbollah/secular opponents/Kurds. Then you have the Kurds who want their own land, the Turks who oppose the Kurds having their own lands. The Kurds are fighting ISIS and Assad. The Turks are also bombing the Kurds/ISIS. Now you have the US who are bombing ISIS and trying to overthrow Assad. And now the Russians are backing Assad and bombing ISIS and anti-Assad factions. It is a giant mess, with all these different factions with different agendas fighting each other.

Currently in Yemen, Saudi forces are fighting against Iranian backed Shia groups and Al Quaeda in Arab Peninsular and ISIS are fighting both of them. So it is not really about America or Israel but the regional battle between Saudi Arabia and Iran, and that is just a continuation of the struggle between Sunni and Shia Islam that has been going on for more than a thousand years.

There is a saying the enemy of my enemy is my friend. The reality is that often the enemy of my enemy is also my enemy. I am sure Israel knows that all too well.

Muslims in general are just people like everyone else. Let's not demonise them. Let's demonise those who commit the actual atrocities. ISIS and those who share their beliefs.

I think France might go to war with ISIS now. Their President has publicly said the attacks in Paris were 'an Act of War'. ISIS have officially claimed responsibility. Unlike say Al Quaeda, ISIS claims to be a nation state, so when it clams responsibility for an attack on another nation state it can be targets as such. I am not sure what the French people want to do as a response but the French Government will be under pressure to take punitive measures to retaliate against ISIS.

[J a y]

Originally posted by jonasha

Simply put, no more refugees. The small percent ruined it for everyone.

Sounds like such a motherly thing to say, but it's true.

If the middle east can't play nice, then there's going to be no more games.

[Cas]

Originally posted by Sunderland 4ever

I find rather hypocritical the massive campaigns of solidarization with French people. This happens almost every day in the Middle East and I don't see people making as much fuss about it. Both things are terrible, but I find those types of campaigns offensive towards people from the Middle East, to give an example.

Anyway, I guess these attacks mean no more Visa Schengen for us Peruvians.

Of course that we are gonna be more struck by the terrorist act in Paris
a. Sadly, the situation in Middle East has been like that for many years. People know that it's not safe there, esp if you're Christian.
b. The tragedy happens in Paris, considered one of the global capitals - well protected too.
c. The things is - it's only natural for people to care more about things that they know better, that are close to you. You may be sad when an airplane incident happens - it's a tragedy after all. Now if someone close to you dies, God forbids, you feel infinitely more times devastates.

So stop with the SJW, "offensive" bull crap.Not here, not now.

[Skins]

Religion has ruined the world. Every single one

[z10]

it's sad but everyone is gna be looking at refugees like this now.



and can you really blame us who live in Europe or any big city for being paranoid after this and the promise from IS of more attacks?

[ABEL-o-matic]

Guys stop all these anti islamic hate. I have a lot of Muslim friends, and hearing all these nasty words you're spewing is just appalling.

My Muslim friends are some of the most trustworthy and kindest people I have met in my life.

They are even more trustworthy than some of the white people in my class who are so full of themselves and think that they're better than everyone else cause their families are rich.

Please guys.

ISIS doesn't believe in the Islamic faith. ISIS is a cult full of wrong ideologies and lunacy because they're main agenda is to wipe out humanity, and they're only using Muslim propaganda to lure in innocent believers into brainwashing them into believing their bigotry.