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Discussion: Should undocumented immigrants be allowed to attend uni?
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Member Since: 5/15/2009
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Nothing wrong with foreign exchange students attending a university here, but if you're here illegally and getting government funding for tuition...that's just wrong.
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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The responses in here make me sad.
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Member Since: 9/9/2012
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Aren't they taking someone's spot though who has worked for years here (legally) to build a portfolio to be accepted into the University?
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Member Since: 8/17/2013
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Originally posted by iHype.
Aren't they taking someone's spot though who has worked for years here (legally) to build a portfolio to be accepted into the University?
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Yep. But illegals are the only people who matter, as long as their dreams are achieved, that's the important part.
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Member Since: 10/28/2011
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If they worked towards it and achieved the grades like everyone else I don't see why not. They're not "taking people's places" if those people didn't work as hard as them.
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Member Since: 4/27/2012
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I'm all for pathways to citizenship and immigration is an issue that's really important to me (for no specific reason, all my family/friends are born citizens) but I think the progressiveness can't turn into lawlessness. College is competitive, especially if the school you want to go too isn't in your state. So I think the spots should go to US citizens, or people who are here on visas/study abroad programs. We also need some sort of incentive to encourage them to become citizens. The US should be free for all, but it can't turn into a free-for-all.
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Member Since: 4/7/2009
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The **** do I care? My tuitions going up regardless and I'm graduating soon anyway. I'm not pressed.
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Member Since: 9/9/2012
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Originally posted by lpd446
If they worked towards it and achieved the grades like everyone else I don't see why not. They're not "taking people's places" if those people didn't work as hard as them.
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They kinda are? It's like if you're trying out to be on your school's basketball team, then someone applies who doesn't even go to your school, then makes the team over you. Not "working as hard as them" doesn't excuse the fact you had your place taken in an unlawful and unethical manner. I agree with Giselle.
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Originally posted by Giselle
I'm all for pathways to citizenship and immigration is an issue that's really important to me (for no specific reason, all my family/friends are born citizens) but I think the progressiveness can't turn into lawlessness. College is competitive, especially if the school you want to go too isn't in your state. So I think the spots should go to US citizens, or people who are here on visas/study abroad programs. We also need some sort of incentive to encourage them to become citizens. The US should be free for all, but it can't turn into a free-for-all.
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I'm all for people coming, but I mean we don't need a situation to where someone can fly here, get a job, go to school, and just live like a normal person. This is a country not a restaurant to dine and choose. We need to work on encouraging people to become legal more than giving them more privileges while being illegal.
And this could easily go wrong, with the way colleges are so thirsty for perfect people to recruit for academics and sports. I could see colleges literally purposely going out of country to find people to bring illegally and purposely have them fill placements over people who live here just because they meet the requirements more + make the colleges look better.
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Member Since: 4/27/2012
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I think what people fail to realize is that when people push for immigrants to become citizens, it isn't just to be anal. Illegal immigrants cost this country money. Lots and lots of money. And not to mention the employers that purposely hire immigrants so that they can make them do unfair work for unfair wages. Which is a double negative.
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Member Since: 1/1/2014
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Originally posted by Giselle
I'm all for pathways to citizenship and immigration is an issue that's really important to me (for no specific reason, all my family/friends are born citizens) but I think the progressiveness can't turn into lawlessness. College is competitive, especially if the school you want to go too isn't in your state. So I think the spots should go to US citizens, or people who are here on visas/study abroad programs. We also need some sort of incentive to encourage them to become citizens. The US should be free for all, but it can't turn into a free-for-all.
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Member Since: 6/25/2011
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Originally posted by BlueTimberwolf
Yep. But illegals are the only people who matter, as long as their dreams are achieved, that's the important part.
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Right? As long as they are taken care of and given the best education and opportunities - let them continue to break the law and cost tax payers! The American Dream: only for non-Americans!
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should they be able to? yes.
- first of all, if they wanna attend college/university they MUST pay out of state tuition (which should cover the taxes they don't pay).
- should they be able to get financial aid? no, if a LEGAL international student can't get any type of financial aid, why should illegals get that advantage over the people who did things legally?
- should they be accepted if they meet the criteria? yes.
- should they be required to sign for a health insurance or something like that in order to attend college? yes, just like every other international student.
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Member Since: 3/4/2011
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Originally posted by downbywednesday
I didn't apply for Harvard because I got accepted to a university with a higher job placement rate for my major. Try again. Maybe you can actually debate instead of resorting to personal attacks, but I guess if you find applying for a visa difficult, I guess debating must be as well.
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That's very nice, but my sentence was meant to expose your contradicting points, not to be taken literal which apparently you did. I guess I didnt make it obvious enough.
I find your arguments absurd, especially expecting a 14 year old to have the financial and legal resources to work on their immigration status. But personally attacking you? are you kidding
Not much to debate on my end on the OP's original topic.
Should the undocumented be allowed in uni? If they are the ones qualified for it, absolutely.
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Member Since: 1/1/2014
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Originally posted by RetroDanceFreak
That's very nice, but my sentence was meant to expose your contradicting points, not to be taken literal which apparently you did. I guess I didnt make it obvious enough.
I find your arguments absurd, especially expecting a 14 year old to have the financial and legal resources to work on their immigration status. But personally attacking you? are you kidding
Not much to debate on my end on the OP's original topic.
Should the undocumented be allowed in uni? If they are the ones qualified for it, absolutely.
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But they can navigate university websites by that point. They're learning geometry that year. They can handle learning physics, algebra, chemistry, English rhetoric, and economics by the time they're out of high school but can't figure out how to apply for a visa?
They don't sound at all qualified if they can't figure that out.
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Member Since: 1/3/2014
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Yes, but they shouldn't be able to get government money or financial aid. That goes for children of undocumented immigrants as well.
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Member Since: 1/2/2014
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The lack of education here is sad
First off being an immigrant who was brought here in the states at one that graduated top 10% with awards and was accepted to 7/8 colleges in my state, as far as I'm concerned, I Get NO FINANCIAL AID at all. I have to pay for everything out of my pocket. I really don't get where some of y'all think we get all this government aid when we don't. Just a rejection letter, that's all.
OT Yes, undocumented students should go to college but a work permit isn't enough to help me pay for tuition....
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Member Since: 1/1/2014
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Originally posted by Zolvnski
The lack of education here is sad
First off being an immigrant who was brought here in the states at one that graduated top 10% with awards and was accepted to 7/8 colleges in my state, as far as I'm concerned, I Get NO FINANCIAL AID at all. I have to pay for everything out of my pocket. I really don't get where some of y'all think we get all this government aid when we don't. Just a rejection letter, that's all.
OT Yes, undocumented students should go to college but a work permit isn't enough to help me pay for tuition....
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In Texas and other states there's an equivalent of a FAFSA for undocumented immigrants.
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