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News: Daughter of Two Moms Comes Out Against Gay Marriage: Update
Member Since: 10/15/2011
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Originally posted by Matthew
Like I said, my views are purely scientifically-based. Love isn't the only thing necessary for raising a child, after all. It's also about the environment in which the child is raised. The sex of the child's parents plays a key role in how said environment is shaped.
Again, I'm not denying that some same-sex couples are better parents than other couples.
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http://www.apa.org/pi/lgbt/resources/parenting.aspx
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Color me SHOCKED that she's not willing to follow up on this absurd essay.
I imagine she's probably going to claim she was "threatened for her views" and then the fundies will bemoan the "intolerance" of liberals/LGBT rights activists.
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Member Since: 3/25/2012
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![lmao](http://atrl.net/forums/images/smilies/images/smilies/lmao.gif) This girl is an idiot. Your two moms raising you in a kind, loving home and teaching you values has absolutely nothing to do with your dad not wanting to be in your life. ![ahh](images/smilies/images/smilies/ahh.gif) Face it, your dad is just another no-good deadbeat father just like all the other straight deadbeat fathers and he doesn't give a damn about you.
Accept it and move on with your life and stop trying to make other people just as unhappy as you. ![coffee2](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v232/korn0818/b80efe23.gif) It doesn't surprise me that she doesn't want to talk about it with anyone because she knows she has no legs to stand on. It's a shame, I guess the one thing her moms didn't teach her was how to not be a selfish prick.
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Member Since: 3/25/2012
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Originally posted by Matthew
Thank you ![clap3](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v232/korn0818/67d90ee8.gif) Though many same-sex couples can raise children as well as other couples, a difference between the sex of the parents has been proven scientifically to be better in raising a child. Please note that I use the term sex, not gender--sex is a biological difference and gender is a socially-constructed difference.
Also, I'm not implying that same-sex couples love their children any less. My views are purely from a scientific stance.
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Originally posted by NE.
I don't understand why this was warned.
I know some of you don't want to hear it, but the fact that a child can only be conceived by man and a woman is more than just "gender roles". Studies have shown how important it is for children to have a father figure and a mother figure in their lives.
I mean tbh (I'll probably get warned for this), some of ya'll need to look at yourselves and how your own estranged relationships with your fathers affected you, especially with all this "daddy" nonsense in every thread
EDIT: And can you guys NOT take everything out of context? She's NOT saying she wanted her deadbeat father to raise her, she's saying that she had a void in her life and needed a male figure to fill it.
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You both sound just as bad as her. I was raised by a single parent from such an early age that I don't even remember what my dad looks like, and I turned out fine. Likewise, I have many friends with a single parent that have turned out to be better and more stable human beings than people with both parents in their lives. There is absolutely zero evidence of a mother and father being necessary to raise a human properly. Zero. Show me an article and I could show you ten that say the exact opposite.
It doesn't matter what "evidence" or "scientific proof" you have when there are literally billions of living, breathing examples in the world that prove it wrong.
Stop trying to defend her nonsense. All of you in here trying to be edgy and go against the grain are completely transparent. Once the child is born, all cards are out on how they're raised. It can be by a single mother, single father, single grandmother/father, single aunt/uncle, two moms, two dads, a mom and a grandmother. It doesn't matter, as long as the child is in a loving home that teaches them the right values and how to be a decent human being.
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Member Since: 8/31/2013
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Why is she saying "we"? As if she speaks for all kids brought up by gay parents. Tshhh
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Member Since: 1/3/2014
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Originally posted by Matthew
Like I said, my views are purely scientifically-based. Love isn't the only thing necessary for raising a child, after all. It's also about the environment in which the child is raised. The sex of the child's parents plays a key role in how said environment is shaped.
Again, I'm not denying that some same-sex couples are better parents than other couples.
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Originally posted by NE.
I don't understand why this was warned.
I know some of you don't want to hear it, but the fact that a child can only be conceived by man and a woman is more than just "gender roles". Studies have shown how important it is for children to have a father figure and a mother figure in their lives.
I mean tbh (I'll probably get warned for this), some of ya'll need to look at yourselves and how your own estranged relationships with your fathers affected you, especially with all this "daddy" nonsense in every thread
EDIT: And can you guys NOT take everything out of context? She's NOT saying she wanted her deadbeat father to raise her, she's saying that she had a void in her life and needed a male figure to fill it.
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Member Since: 2/4/2014
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I understand what she means about having a void in her life because she didn't have a father, but that's why she's against gay marriage? That has no logic. She doesn't sound very intelligent.
She should be against gay couples raising children and apparently single parents too because there's a father or mother figure missing... but good luck arguing that...
The truth is she has a void in her life because her father abandoned her. She's always going to feel that loss. It's normal. It's why adopted kids look for their biological parents when they're older. There's a sense of abandonment and identity issues.
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I'm waiting for her mothers disown her and she will have two other void in her so called heart ![party](images/smilies/images/smilies/party.gif)
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Member Since: 1/1/2014
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So because her father was an asshole that refused to be a permanent fixture in his life for his own selfish reasons gays are to blame? This stupid bitch
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The cringe worthy posts in here who are immediately equating here statement with blatant homophobia. ![rip](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v232/korn0818/ATRLSmilies/rip_zpsec10ede9.gif) I hope some of you all realize that it is natural to be raised with a mother AND a father. Is she not allowed not have a natural psychological desire for a father figure in her life? Granted she should have stated she does not support gay couples raising children instead of stating she does not support gay marriage entirely.
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Member Since: 5/21/2009
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Dead @ me getting a point for being "Insensitive" for simply explaining her perspective.
To the person above who basically is putting words in my mouth, I never once said that a child needed two parents or two straight parents in order to turn out fine. Hell, there are kids out there who don't have parents at all that turn out "fine". But you also have to consider, what constitutes as fine? Many kids regardless of what type of family they live in may stay out of jail, away from drugs, crime, graduate from college etc. and appear fine on the outside, but these successes don't signify that they're free of psychological pains.
Like someone else said, she could have left out the part about going against gay marriage as an entity, but my point was that it is natural for child to desire their biological father and mother. And some people in here get really hung up over "gender roles" and are upset because they want to believe that fathers and mothers aren't different from each other and that it "doesn't really matter". Just like most people on this site are gay, it isn't a choice or "social construct" and while you are comfortable with befriending women, you feel they cannot fulfill that intimate role that a male partner can for you. She feels the same way about a father figure.
And any other time the topic of lesbians come up, ya'll are quick to fire off homophobic/sexist jokes, but now suddenly everyone's a SJW.
OK, ATRL.
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So suddenly all the nay-sayers in here are human sexuality and family counseling and psyhcology doctorate holders LMAO!!
Not even the professionals have come to a 100 percent conclusion on how to properly raise a child, or what constitutes the perfect upbringing and home. Not to mentionn the studies have been ever changing, and evolving for DECADES! So don't come trying to throw out some unaccredited online links at us and use it like some golden go to resource, you already have failed miserably by doing that. Not even a low level college professor would take those links as some valuable resource.
No study can 100 percent prove what a child truly needs to be fine, and there is no definition of what is fine. A child can grow up in a loving 2 opposite sex home and somehow still come out dysfunctional and another grow up without any parents and exceed above the rest. These are all nothing but theories, nothing can be 100 percent proven. All that we know is a child needs food, shelter, and a stable caretaker. It takes not just 2 parents, but a whole village, children grasp inspiration and "normalness" from everywhere. The sex or the parents, or even direct relation to the child does not even matter for the most part. The rest is all social construct. A mother figure can be a father just as a aunt can take the role, a grandmother, older sister, or the neighbor next door who dresses in drags and taught a little girl everything about being a woman more than her own mother could. IT HAPPENS, believe me.
Also, at the end of the day, marriage has nothing do with raising a family. There are straight couples who get married and don't have kids, just as much as gays. There are people never even married who raise their kids! So her automatically equating gay marriage to raising dysfunctional families is a slippery slope and foolish. She needs to go confront her father instead of lashing out on the gay community.
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Member Since: 3/25/2012
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Originally posted by FreeXone
So suddenly all the nay-sayers in here are human sexuality and family counseling and psyhcology doctorate holders LMAO!!
Not even the professionals have come to a 100 percent conclusion on how to properly raise a child, or what constitutes the perfect upbringing and home. Not to mentionn the studies have been ever changing, and evolving for DECADES! So don't come trying to throw out some unaccredited online links at us and use it like some golden go to resource, you already have failed miserably by doing that. Not even a low level college professor would take those links as some valuable resource.
No study can 100 percent prove what a child truly needs to be fine, and there is no definition of what is fine. A child can grow up in a loving 2 opposite sex home and somehow still come out dysfunctional and another grow up without any parents and exceed above the rest. These are all nothing but theories, nothing can be 100 percent proven. All that we know is a child needs food, shelter, and a stable caretaker. It takes not just 2 parents, but a whole village, children grasp inspiration and "normalness" from everywhere. The sex or the parents, or even direct relation to the child does not even matter for the most part. The rest is all social construct. A mother figure can be a father just as a aunt can take the role, a grandmother, older sister, or the neighbor next door who dresses in drags and taught a little girl everything about being a woman more than her own mother could. IT HAPPENS, believe me.
Also, at the end of the day, marriage has nothing do with raising a family. There are straight couples who get married and don't have kids, just as much as gays. There are people never even married who raise their kids! So her automatically equating gay marriage to raising dysfunctional families is a slippery slope and foolish. She needs to go confront her father instead of lashing out on the gay community.
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Originally posted by NE.
Dead @ me getting a point for being "Insensitive" for simply explaining her perspective.
To the person above who basically is putting words in my mouth, I never once said that a child needed two parents or two straight parents in order to turn out fine. Hell, there are kids out there who don't have parents at all that turn out "fine". But you also have to consider, what constitutes as fine? Many kids regardless of what type of family they live in may stay out of jail, away from drugs, crime, graduate from college etc. and appear fine on the outside, but these successes don't signify that they're free of psychological pains.
Like someone else said, she could have left out the part about going against gay marriage as an entity, but my point was that it is natural for child to desire their biological father and mother. And some people in here get really hung up over "gender roles" and are upset because they want to believe that fathers and mothers aren't different from each other and that it "doesn't really matter". Just like most people on this site are gay, it isn't a choice or "social construct" and while you are comfortable with befriending women, you feel they cannot fulfill that intimate role that a male partner can for you. She feels the same way about a father figure.
And any other time the topic of lesbians come up, ya'll are quick to fire off homophobic/sexist jokes, but now suddenly everyone's a SJW.
OK, ATRL.
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What constitutes as fine? I'm sure we all know what "constitutes as fine". But I would assume things like not being a murderer, being psychologically sane/sound, having a decent set of morals/values, able to function on their own as an adult, not getting thrown into jail every other month, not getting addicted to hard drugs, etc.
Also, nobody in this world is free of psychological pains/issues, idc what they say. That would make them a perfect being and nobody is perfect. We all have some kind of issue we need to work through, but that's just how life is. Having both mother and father figures will not magically alleviate the development of "psychological pains". They'll just come from somewhere else. Sure, there may be a void when a mother or father is not present, but again that has nothing to do with turning a child into a decent member of society.
This woman admits that her moms loved her unconditionally and taught her great morals, raised her in a kind and loving home, etc. So what's the problem exactly? She acts as if her father being around would have given her an even better childhood than what her moms gave her. Yet, the reality is if her father was around he would have been just as much of a deadbeat dad as he is now. In fact, her childhood probably would have been worse with him around.
She should be focusing on her own psychological issues instead of trying to get legislation passed that treats lgbt+ members (her "loving mothers" included) as less than. ![coffee2](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v232/korn0818/b80efe23.gif)
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Some religious bigot shared this on Facebook with an ignorant comment and I instantly unfriended ![coffee2](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v232/korn0818/b80efe23.gif)
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