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News: Transgendered first grader banned from using girls restroom
Member Since: 1/27/2006
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Originally posted by Artemisia
What kind of misplaced concern? Feeling bad for the uncomfortable children rather than the victim of the embarrassment and attention that being trans can give them?
That's ****ed up.
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Who said that I felt bad for "the uncomfortable children"? I only mentioned that maybe that was a reason the school changed their decision or parents complained. I don't feel like it's a bad move if that is the case, only due to public schools having separated bathrooms and them following those standards if they were forced to, but that doesn't mean I "feel bad" for anybody.
I don't feel anything for any of this, just if the child is still a boy physically they should use the boys' bathroom or maybe the gender-neutral bathrooms that are in schools (after now seeing how they appears).
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Member Since: 8/4/2012
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Originally posted by Mariah4life
This is a complicated topic.
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It really is though.
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Member Since: 3/26/2012
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Originally posted by Jabril
A ridiculously bold move? Interesting, you act like they're chopping off an arm or something. How is it a ridiculously bold move? Thousands of kids dye their hair every day.
Maybe because she wanted to? Why do people in general dye their hair? Because they want to, they don't need to. It's not a necessity, people generally do it because they want to, not because they need to.
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I just don't think kids should dye their hair when they're little, it goes hand it hand with makeup. I don't think kids should be wearing makeup that young either, if they do it, I don't overly care, but I wouldn't let my kid do it at that stage.
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Originally posted by Mhs90
1) Go to the restroom according to your biological identification.
2) Dress however you want, and hang with whoever you want.
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I agree with this.
Although I believe that Coy should be allowed to use whichever restroom she pleases, the other children who use the facilities must be taken into consideration. I don't think it's fair for them to have to adjust to such circumstances at such a young age.
Coy is biologically a boy, and with male genitalia, should not be allowed in the same restroom as any other girls (as this would be the case regardless, no matter the gender), thus enforcing the same rules upon her as everyone else.
On the other hand, the circumstances that the other girls were feeling (uncomfortableness), will now be upon Coy, who would be forced to use the boys restroom, thus causing problems for her and the boys who frequently use those restrooms.
Facilities (preferably cubicle/s) with no specific gender would be the easiest way to solve this problem.
Separate restrooms are available for the disabled, so why is this situation any different?
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Member Since: 6/20/2012
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Originally posted by HausOfMarq
NoxGood
Banned
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Someone better block NotGood from using the male restroom to put the cherry on top.
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Member Since: 4/9/2012
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Originally posted by Eaten By Lions
To hell with the idea that having a "abnormal" har color is indicative of who you are or your values. Let kids have fun. Let them do what they want to do. **** these "norms" that are perpetuated, it's restricting. Something like this is so insignificant.
And you you lot being ignorant - if a child that young is so vividly demonstrating her identity that means it is inherent.
Any and all responses of the contrary are all just things people making up. Generalizations to fit an argument made out of unnecessary ignorance. Not one person would suffer if that child was allowed to use the girls washroom. But now, she is the one suffering. This is clear as day.
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Exactly!!!
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Member Since: 6/29/2012
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Originally posted by Mariah4life
This is a complicated topic.
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Pretty much. Both sides of the argument are understandable. Like I was saying before, it takes time for people to accept others. You just can't expect people the change their minds over night.
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Member Since: 3/25/2011
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Originally posted by Jabril
Exactly!!!
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I mean what's the issue?!?
Are these homos just attacking trans people because it makes them feel more "normal"? What is the rationale?!
Lets hope they receive more love and light in their lives.
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Member Since: 6/17/2012
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Can we please stop feeling sorry for the poor little 'biological girls' who may be forced to share a bathroom with someone with a penis? They wouldn't know that she has one, she looks like a girl and female bathrooms have only cubicles. To those saying no one with a penis should be allowed in a female toilet, what're you gonna do? Check everyones genitals before they enter? Get a grip.
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Member Since: 4/9/2012
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Originally posted by Eaten By Lions
I mean what's the issue?!?
Are these homos just attacking trans people because it makes them feel more "normal"? What is the rationale?!
Lets hope they receive more love and light in their lives.
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You bring up an interesting point. Maybe that is why gay people attack trans people. I never thought about it that way.
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Member Since: 1/27/2006
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Originally posted by J a y
I agree with this.
Although I believe that Coy should be allowed to use whichever restroom she pleases, the other children who use the facilities must be taken into consideration. I don't think it's fair for them to have to adjust to such circumstances at such a young age.
Coy is biologically a boy, and with male genitalia, should not be allowed in the same restroom as any other girls (as this would be the case regardless, no matter the gender), thus enforcing the same rules upon her as everyone else.
On the other hand, the circumstances that the other girls were feeling (comfortableness), will now be upon Coy, who would be forced to use the boys restroom, thus causing problems for her and the boys who frequently use those restrooms.
Facilities (preferably cubicle/s) with no specific gender would be the easiest way to solve this problem.
Separate restrooms are available for the disabled, so why is this situation any different?
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Personally I think the parents would care more than the child would.
They'd probably ask about then punch to the playground and throw sand and legos at each other.
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Originally posted by debutante
Can we please stop feeling sorry for the poor little 'biological girls' who may be forced to share a bathroom with someone with a penis? They wouldn't know that she has one, she looks like a girl and female bathrooms have only cubicles. To those saying no one with a penis should be allowed in a female toilet, what're you gonna do? Check everyones genitals before they enter? Get a grip.
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It's more about respecting women and their privacy.
No one is objecting anyone from using whichever toilet they please, but young children? That doesn't work for me.
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Member Since: 6/29/2012
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If Coy is peeing like a boy in the girls bathroom then that's probably why the girls or school feel uncomfortable.
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Originally posted by J a y
It's more about respecting women and their privacy.
No one is objecting anyone from using whichever toilet they please, but young children? That doesn't work for me.
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but she is female.
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Very complicated, yet interesting subject.
I personally would have offered the girl to use the staff toilets or choose whichever she pleases on her own.
Children have hall passes, etc, right? It's not like there's 5-6 children running in and out.
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Originally posted by BadBitch
but she is female.
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Not biologically. If she did not have a penis, then I wouldn't see an issue.
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Originally posted by J a y
It's more about respecting women and their privacy.
No one is objecting anyone from using whichever toilet they please, but young children? That doesn't work for me.
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Bathrooms have cubicles, how is anyones privacy not being respected?
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Originally posted by Praise Mariallah
...But, can you tell me how we differentiate between the two?
What are the vastly contradistinctive signs that would have parents taking their child to get diagnosed?
When does it become an actual emotional discomfort versus the extremely common gender identity phase young children go through?
I'm not mad. These are my actual questions. You're saying, dysphoria this, dysphoria that, but how does one know when someone who can't even remember a whole year of their life is plagued by this and not going through the "opposite is better" stage?
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there's a difference between feeling as if you are a girl and that you should have been born a girl and wanting to play with dolls. you often hear from the children themselves that they want to be called a girl and that they were never a boy. that's one way you can tell.
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Member Since: 2/16/2012
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Originally posted by debutante
Bathrooms have cubicles, how is anyones privacy not being respected?
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!!! People are acting like they'll know what ole gerl has anyways.
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Member Since: 6/10/2010
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This a bit sexist if you look at it too. I doubt parents would have an issue if this was a masculine butch biological girl that identified as male. I'm sure he would've gotten a pass then and been just "one of the boys". But since it's a she's a female and using the female restroom it's all of sudden an issue and the other girls need protecting.
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