@ Timber, what BLaCKPoWeR is saying is true. You can have a really wide range and still have a low voice. I.E David Bowie. (although I'm sure there's a ton of falsetto that comes along with it and just sheer natural ability/training)
You not being able to sing high comfortably does not necessarily mean you have a low voice. You just haven't learned how to sing high yet. Your voice is still very high naturally.
hold on tight bc im critiquing you - for HELP though!
Your placement is also throaty, nasally and horizontal. You're breathing from your chest and shoulders when your breathing should be diaphragmatic - or connected to your core. Your sound is really stuck in your throat. Once you've fixed your breathing, focus on singing your vowels with a tall, vertical AWH shape as opposed to a horizontal EHHH shape. Then, thinking about placing your sound FORWARD, and not in the back of your throat. I wish I could explain that in greater detail, but I really can't because I don't know any better lollll. You should be feeling a vibration in the mask (nose/forehead) of your face, NOT tension in your throat.
My choir director used to have us to exercises where we created a buzzing, spongebob-like, alarm-like, "pinging" noise on the words "EHHH ehh ehh". That's the sensation you should feel with forward placement.
i'm not a professional or a teacher at all, regurgitating what i've been taught - in a really crappy way
Okay so I tried a shortened version of the national anthem acapella and I know for sure every single one of my notes are off, so if you have perfect pitch sorry.
Also you might wanna lower the volume, I sound unpleasant especially on the louder/higher notes.
Isn't tenor a high voice for a male? Why do I struggle so much to sing along with Bruno, Adam and Nate?
I'll post one tomorrow where I sing lower 2morrow. I don't wanna be a tenor.
I still want to hear the other clip. But I'll elaborate on the other voice types I was thinking about.
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The Baryton-Martin (sometimes referred to as Light Baritone) lacks the lower G2–B2 range a heavier baritone is capable of, and has a lighter, almost tenor-like quality.
It is important to note that this voice type shares the primo passaggio and secondo passaggio with the Dramatic Tenor and Heldentenor (C4 and F4 respectively), and hence could be trained as a tenor.
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Tenor buffo or Spieltenor
The range of the tenor buffo is from the C one octave below middle C (C3) to the B above middle C (B4). The tessitura of these parts lies lower than the other tenors.
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Baritenor
Vocal pedagogues such as Richard Miller use the term to refer to a common voice category in young male singers whose tessitura (most comfortable vocal range) lies between that of a baritone and that of a tenor and whose passage zone lies between C4 and F4. Such singers can evolve, either naturally or through training, into high baritones.
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Heldentenor
A rich, dark, powerful and dramatic voice. Often the heldentenor is a baritone who has transitioned to this fach or tenors who have been misidentified as baritones. Therefore the heldentenor voice might or might not have facility up to high B or C.
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Lyric Baritone
Very close to a Helden Tenor in vocal timbre, but with a lower tessitura. A sweeter, milder sounding baritone voice, lacking in harshness; lighter and mellower than the dramatic baritone with a higher tessitura.
Yea, not a lyric tenor. One of the voice types mentioned above.
Lol Betsy Timber is NOT a baritone or even a high-baritone or baritenor. Clearly an untrained tenor to me - and certainly not a dramatic.
@Time idek, again, I'm honestly nowhere near as familiar with male voices as I am with female - I've focused mostly on Pop/R&B females. I may very well have an underdeveloped idea of what a baritone voice should sound like. There are so few in Pop music to go off of.
But yeah I'm positive that Timber's voice is small and high - he just hasn't unlocked his potential yet. I definitely didn't detect any baritone-like weight or dark coloring on his voice.
Edit: emphasis on "underdeveloped idea of what a baritone voice should sound like"
Do you guys have examples of all of these voices, preferably in Pop music if you can (though opera singers are fine too).
I've heard a couple of voice students on here call John Legend and Luther Vandross baritones. My classical voice professor however said they were both tenors - as I thought.
Lol Betsy Timber is NOT a baritone or even a high-baritone or baritenor. Clearly an untrained tenor to me - and certainly not a dramatic.
@Time idek, again, I'm honestly nowhere near as familiar with male voices as I am with female - I've focused mostly on Pop/R&B females. I may very well have an underdeveloped idea of what a baritone voice should sound like. There are so few in Pop music to go off of.
But yeah I'm positive that Timber's voice is small and high - he just hasn't unlocked his potential yet. I definitely didn't detect any baritone-like weight or dark coloring on his voice.
Edit: emphasis on "underdeveloped idea of what a baritone voice should sound like"
Do you guys have examples of all of these voices, preferably in Pop music if you can (though opera singers are fine too).
I've heard a couple of voice students on here call John Legend and Luther Vandross baritones. My classical voice professor however said they were both tenors - as I thought.
Yea, I heard that John Legend, Luther, Robin Thicke (), and Michael Bublé are baritones of some kind. With John being called a Lyric Baritone and the other three being called a Baritenor.
I really don't hear the signature baritone timbre, but they tend to sing in a much lower tessitura than average tenors. And that's also what I got from Timber.
I and agree with the undeveloped part, I even specified that in an earlier post.
You try to analyze an untrained voice and classify it as one thing and after training, it's something completely different.
omg "Can't Let Go" and "Point of it All" were ALL OVER UrbanAC radio.
I just watched a vocal range video and listened to the former song. I'm gonna call him a tenor - apparently he's able to belt up to A#4 (I know classically trained baritones can sing that high G relatively easily - but Anthony probably isn't trained) and his tone still sounds on the brighter side to me despite being very gravely. He sounds like an old grandpa.
Michael Buble is certainly a baritone to me though. The bottom of his range is very solid and has a LOT of bass to it. His tone is darker than a tenor's, sweet-sounding, mild, and smooth. Lyric bari just like me! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kd02KzGUiN0
I was confused for a sec because he's belting a Bb4 in this video, but the upper chest register does not possess that bright, ringing tenor-ish quality. They almost sound dim if that makes any sense. Plus those high notes seem really uncomfortable for him - and kinda restrained. Not restrained in a "he's straining" way, but restrained in a "i caNNOT go any hihgher " kinda way. He must be a highly trained and well-developed vocalist.
Clark, what voice type do you think Anthony Hamilton is?
WOW!
That Davin Youngs guy slayed my whole life I'd love to sing like him. So effortlessly blending classical with R&B/Soul/Gospel.
I can clearly see how all these men are baritones. Each of them has a dark, heavy, bass-y bottom, a powerful, piercing, (let's talk about squillo resonance next so I can get a better understaning) but not bright-souding, upper chest register. Their tones in that part of their voices sounds oddly... ...dim. Not the quality of a tenor's at all...
EXCEPT that Jacques Jansen guy! His voice absolutely has a boyish, bright-ish tenor-like quality to me. But the definition of baritone-martyn you posted read to me as "basically a tenor lol - could/should be trained as one anyway," so yeah.
I looked up a video of a 'tenor buffo/spieltenor' too, the definition of which sounding to me like "basically a lowww tenor" If anything, I still think Timber is a low tenor.
i <3 this thread
(I answered about Anthony Hamilton in my last post.)
yeah, he is very handsome 
Clearly an untrained tenor to me - and certainly not a dramatic.
There are so few in Pop music to go off of.
), and Michael Bublé are baritones of some kind. With John being called a Lyric Baritone and the other three being called a Baritenor.
he didn't say names. 
" kinda way. He must be a highly trained and well-developed vocalist.
His voice absolutely has a boyish, bright-ish tenor-like quality to me. But the definition of baritone-martyn you posted read to me as "basically a tenor lol - could/should be trained as one anyway," so yeah.