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Poll: BEYONCÉ vs PRISM: Bigger era so far?
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View Poll Results: Bigger era so far?
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BEYONCÉ
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PRISM
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Originally posted by swissman;20508958[B
]But Surfboardt alone is more impactful than anything from Prism. [/B]It has hits but was there anything interesting or culturally relevant about them? I agree that most of the album's impact is the surprise release and the visual album aspect, but why are you acting like that's nothing? That's huge. The media has constantly been comparing new surprise releases or releases with little warning to her. And they likely will continue to bring it up as it happens more. Will people talk about pulling a Katy in anyway for this album? What could they possibly have to say about it?
And all you said against BEYONCÉ can also be said about Prism, I'm not sure what those points are about.
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Jesus Beyonce's fandom is the most delusional I've ever come across 
My point is that you said, without PRISM 2014 would have been the same. My point is BEYONCE ain't even the most popular album. FROZEN has had much more of that "impact" you guys LOVE to talk about and selling heaps more than all the pop girls including Beyonce.
Not to mention Frozen is selling a single that is not supported by radio and it's only promotion is the oscars
Beyonce had a good amount of airplay, GRAMMYs, hyped album, viral video, etc. yet DiL is only 1.2x platinum.
Let it Go is 2x platinum and still in Top 3.
Do you see my point?
Without Frozen 2014 would have been different because it's dominated and impacting every single chart. Hot 100, BB200, DVD sales chart, etc.
Sorry, but you're so overestimating Beyonce's impact. If she was that impactful she could at least score a 2x platinum single
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Originally posted by swissman
I'm not sure if you don't think setting an iTunes record, selling nearly a million worldwide in 3 days, etc isn't impressive, but let's set that aside because the terms you're referring to in your post ("album artist", "singles artist") are perceived ideas about an artist. They do hold some truth, but we can't say one is better than the other just because they have a certain reputation.
But if you want to get picky, let's. Prism you say is 1.2-1.3 x platinum. It has about 2 months more sales than BEYONCÉ. It had a much larger promotional schedule, had sales that spanning throughout the busiest sales quarter of the year, and is generally far less risky.
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That doesn't change the fact that Katy is labeled an singles artist. Also the Itunes record was because hmm...
Itunes Exclusive
All tracks were album only
Surprise release
17 Music videos and 15 songs for only $16.
Do you think she would have broken that record had she released like everyone else? No. So stop acting like Beyonce just randomly dominated the itunes chart and there were no reasons for that. I'm not discrediting her, but using that Itunes record is so laughable.
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Originally posted by Benghazi82
Not sure if a word from a single that barely scraped the charts has more impact than the worldwide smashes, Roar and Dark Horse.
But this is a useless argument, coz Beyonce and Katy make different types of music. Not sure why women are always pitted against each other. Both are doing amazingly well, and instead of arguing, people should be celebrating their successes.
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A #2 single barely scrapes the charts?
The impact of a song though is more than just chart success. It's about connecting with people and having memorability. The most memorable thing about Roar is it's chart success and that it sounded like Brave. There's more to a song than that though. For example, in 2002 Dirrty barely scrapped the charts and was no where on the Hot 100 Year End List and yet had much more impact than a song like Blurry by Puddle of Mudd which came in #10 on that list or In the End by Linkin Park (#7) or arguably even How You Remind Me by Nickleback at #1. Of course I'm referring to North America here, because DIL was an urban only single which differs from Katy's WW pop singles.
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I'm in my car and they just played Dark Horse and Drunk In Love back to back slé.
As I said last night tho, they're on par with one another, one slaying urban formats, the other slaying pop formats. Bey has been catering to urban for the most part, which explains the 2 out of the top 3 songs on urban radio being DIL/Partition rn. Urban hits have always helped an album sell well, regardless of how much the actual singles sell, so some of y'all need to stop downplaying that factor. Katy caters to pop radio, and kinda needs them to sell her album whereas Bey is more well established as an artist and can at least go platinum based on her name alone- that's irrelevant though, so I won't make that a factor.
There's also the fact that Bey has been on tour this entire era. She wasn't able to promote her album/singles through televised performances/appearances the way Katy was able to bar the Brits/Grammys, both of which propelled DIL into the top 3 in the US and XO top ten in the Uk. So who's to say she couldn't of done better if she wasn't on tour and promoted the album a la I Am... Sasha Fierce? Which was a bigger era than both era's we're talking about here.
We still have the VMAs, the AMAs and the 2015 Grammys ahead of us and Bey will most likely be available to do some promoting. IE Blow, Pretty Hurts, Mine, etc. As will Katy with LL, Birthday, TIHWD, etc.
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Originally posted by patapon
Lol it feels like katy will only be remembered for her singles this era compared to the acclaim that bey got on hers. Album and tour >>>>>> singles. And good luck to katy on her pursuit for having another top10 with the remaining unreleased songs from that album. But srsly what even is prism no one knows what prism is
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shes only been in the industry for 5-6 years so her tour probs wont be as big as beys latest one... pfft the last part was just you seething obvs plenty of people know smfh
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Originally posted by Kkamjong
Jesus Beyonce's fandom is the most delusional I've ever come across
My point is that you said, without PRISM 2014 would have been the same. My point is BEYONCE ain't even the most popular album. FROZEN has had much more of that "impact" you guys LOVE to talk about and selling heaps more than all the pop girls including Beyonce.
Not to mention Frozen is selling a single that is not supported by radio and it's only promotion is the oscars
Beyonce had a good amount of airplay, GRAMMYs, hyped album, viral video, etc. yet DiL is only 1.2x platinum.
Let it Go is 2x platinum and still in Top 3.
Do you see my point?
Without Frozen 2014 would have been different because it's dominated and impacting every single chart. Hot 100, BB200, DVD sales chart, etc.
Sorry, but you're so overestimating Beyonce's impact. If she was that impactful she could at least score a 2x platinum single
That doesn't change the fact that Katy is labeled an singles artist. Also the Itunes record was because hmm...
Itunes Exclusive
All tracks were album only
Surprise release
17 Music videos and 15 songs for only $16.
Do you think she would have broken that record had she released like everyone else? No. So stop acting like Beyonce just randomly dominated the itunes chart and there were no reasons for that. I'm not discrediting her, but using that Itunes record is so laughable. |
I'm going to make this as quick as possible.
1. I said 2013 not 2014. When historians right about landmark musical events in 2013, which comes first? Surprise release visual album or Prism?
2. Frozen's promo was a hit movie that featured all the songs on the album.
3. If DIL had been released prior to the albums release I bet it would have better sales. I mean, both Roar and Dark Horse were available when they were the only pieces of new music from Katy. Beyonce's album had sold over a million before DIL was even focused on as the first single. Also it is an urban only single meaning it was only sent to urban radio meaning it does not have the advantages of a song like let's say, Roar.
4. The iTunes record of course wasn't spontaneous, but it did happen and it could have easily went a different way. I acknowledge the double standard because if it flopped I'm sure members of the Hive would say, "it flopped because it was a exclusive, people had to buy the whole album without hearing full songs, it had a surprise release and it was more expensive than normal albums". But in this case it's the other way around.
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Originally posted by BGKC
I'm in my car and they just played Dark Horse and Drunk In Love back to back slé.
As I said last night tho, they're on par with one another, one slaying urban formats, the other slaying pop formats. Bey has been catering to urban for the most part, which explains the 2 out of the top 3 songs on urban radio being DIL/Partition rn. Urban hits have always helped an album sell well, regardless of how much the actual singles sell, so some of y'all need to stop downplaying that factor. Katy caters to pop radio, and kinda needs them to sell her album whereas Bey is more well established as an artist and can at least go platinum based on her name alone- that's irrelevant though, so I won't make that a factor.
There's also the fact that Bey has been on tour this entire era. She wasn't able to promote her album/singles through televised performances/appearances the way Katy was able to bar the Brits/Grammys, both of which propelled DIL into the top 3 in the US and XO top ten in the Uk. So who's to say she couldn't of done better if she wasn't on tour and promoted the album a la I Am... Sasha Fierce? Which was a bigger era than both era's we're talking about here.
We still have the VMAs, the AMAs and the 2015 Grammys ahead of us and Bey will most likely be available to do some promoting. IE Blow, Pretty Hurts, Mine, etc. As will Katy with LL, Birthday, TIHWD, etc.
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thank you! only you an kham are talking sense...
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Prism, BEYONCE has no hits to maintain public's interest (Partition and XO - songs with the biggest hit potential flopping) and the hype created by the release stunt faded quickly. Katy's era will be remembered for the music she made. Beyonce for the way she released her album. You do the math.
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Originally posted by Nialler
Prism, BEYONCE has no hits to maintain public's interest (Partition and XO - songs with the biggest hit potential flopping) and the hype created by the release stunt faded quickly. Katy's era will be remembered for the music she made. Beyonce for the way she released her album. You do the math.
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Again: it has no hype to maintain the public's interest and yet is selling more than albums with hits.
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Originally posted by Ben.M.
thank you! only you an kham are talking sense...
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 I really do hate seeing the Kats/Hive go at it. They're two separate entities on radio. We'll get a clearer picture by 2015. Katy will have the hits and probably go on a tour pulling similar digits to Bey's I Am World Tour, and Bey will have her tour receipts, the acclaim, and the urban hits- It's futile to even try to and battle it out when it's not even a landslide comparison the way ARTPOP was to PRISM lol.
Also they'll probably end up selling similarly as far as albums go by the end of it.
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What people actually remember are singles so I guess Prism feels bigger even tho Beyoncé might have bigger numbers. Beyoncé is clearly the better album tho
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The fact that Beyonce released an album out of nowhere along with INCREDIBLE music videos for EVERY SONG alone will make her album go down in history more than Prism. I love Prism too, but people are going to remember the album that broke the molds even if it doesn't get any #1 hits. #1 songs come and go, legacies left by an artist do not.
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Originally posted by swissman
Again: it has no hype to maintain the public's interest and yet is selling more than albums with hits.
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And that's why BEYONCE sales are falling quicker than PRISM  In its 15th week BEYONCE sold 42k WW while PRISM 58k WW. Hype wears of and Bey has no hits to sustain interest.
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Originally posted by Nialler
Prism, BEYONCE has no hits to maintain public's interest (Partition and XO - songs with the biggest hit potential flopping) and the hype created by the release stunt faded quickly. Katy's era will be remembered for the music she made. Beyonce for the way she released her album. You do the math.
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The math is in the sales and Bey's album has sold more. I have a feeling that DIL will be remembered despite the delusions of the Bey haters on ATRL. As for Katy she is slaying the game as is Bey. Both has made a big impact. The way Bey released and the sales and the critical acclaim is impact.
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PRISM. Beyoncé is running out of steam lately, whilst PRISM is doing well.
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Originally posted by Reaper
And that's why BEYONCE sales are falling quicker than PRISM In its 15th week BEYONCE sold 42k WW while PRISM 58k WW. Hype wears of and Bey has no hits to sustain interest. |
The album is still selling more than prism, by this logic Dark Horse was massive, shouldn't that have been enough for it to still be top 10 or top 5 right now?
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Originally posted by swissman
Again: it has no hype to maintain the public's interest and yet is selling more than albums with hits.
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Originally posted by BGKC
I really do hate seeing the Kats/Hive go at it. They're two separate entities on radio. We'll get a clearer picture by 2015. Katy will have the hits and probably go on a tour pulling similar digits to Bey's I Am World Tour, and Bey will have her tour receipts, the acclaim, and the urban hits- It's futile to even try to and battle it out when it's not even a landslide comparison the way ARTPOP was to PRISM lol.
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i agree completely! an its weird our bases normally get on haha 
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