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Discussion: Should Math be a Requirement?
Member Since: 2/5/2014
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Absolutely!
It leads to problem solving skills and a solid foundation in math makes life so much easier.
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Member Since: 1/25/2012
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Originally posted by Arioso
I mean, I do think it's valid to require math in order to help students fulfill the expectations of employers and colleges. The fact that they expect a certain level of math may be seem unnecessary and impractical to some, but that's a reality that we can't change. Employers and schools in general won't just suddenly change their expectations in large numbers even if it's advisable, and schools have a responsibility to prepare their students for that. After they get there, that's when they can diversify and stop taking certain subjects.
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Everyone always wants the easy way out. If anything, it's preparing students for university.
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Member Since: 9/4/2011
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Originally posted by BudBud
 funny how i already stressed math with examples a few pages back, and hinted that in the beginning of the post you just quoted both language and math are education sis , my explanation of one could be applied to the other - you just need to be able to logically connect the dots. |
I said before, problem solving skills aren't exclusive to math. Idk what your examples a few pages ago are.
I'm saying that language is much more, exponentially more, applicable than math in real life. You may run into a chola you don't like and you might remember "Hola puta"
But that type of situation doesn't happen for high level math. When will you need to know all these formulas in everyday life?
Like you don't even need to connect dots with what I'm saying.
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Originally posted by MiMiLamb
I cannot @ you trying to spin this off as "They don't want to progress society or help people"
This is about extra, unnecessary, MATH.
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look at the sentence loose structure and then look at the punctuation , i did not spin it off that way - my clear (and maybe open ended to some) statement was that how can you not enjoy that benefit enough to not take your life away. 
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Member Since: 1/1/2014
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Originally posted by Element
Can you elaborate on this opinion, please? I agree about the importance of English, but I want to understand more of your perspective regarding its usefulness and applicability.
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I personally feel that it is the most important subject to learn because you WILL need it in what ever it is that you choose to do in your life. Being able to read, write, & construct sentences intelligently is beneficial. You have much more opportunities in life if you know & speak it. I guarantee that you would find a job easier if you know just English, than if you know just Geometry.
It applies to basically everything.
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ATRL Senior Member
Member Since: 3/22/2012
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Originally posted by Anvarie
But what does this have to do with people not going into math related fields 
What aren't you getting about this simple concept |
I meant employers in general and colleges in general already expect certain things and they're not going to change that just because high schools start eliminating math requirements... it's not a question of me "getting" anything... I didn't even say whether they should lower their expectations.
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Member Since: 4/13/2011
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No. Only arithmetic is absolutely necessary to the average person.
Calculus, mechanics, statistics are obviously revolutionary but they do not need to be learnt by the majority. It is literally a waste of their time, they do not retain any of the information and just endure the unpleasant struggle through.
Personal finance is WAY more important to the average person, that is something which the masses really need to be educated on.
However if you want a college/university level education, then yes, mathematics is at least beneficial. It is THE core subject of mental capacity, problem solving and understanding.
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Member Since: 2/2/2014
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Originally posted by Arioso
I meant employers in general and colleges in general already expect certain things and they're not going to change that just because high schools start eliminating math requirements... it's not a question of me "getting" anything... I didn't even say whether they should lower their expectations. |
No in my example of math being cut it's implied it would be something applied to college as well
Why would high schools change requirements if colleges didn't as well
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Member Since: 1/1/2014
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Originally posted by Fruity
No. Only arithmetic is important to the average person.
Calculus, mechanics, statistics are obviously revolutionary but they do not need to be learnt by the majority. It is literally a waste of their time, they do not retain any of the information and just endure the unpleasant struggle through.
Personal finance is WAY more important to the average person, that is something which the masses really need to be educated on.
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THIS this is what I'm attempting to say!
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Member Since: 1/1/2014
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I think required during or after middle school should be
Algebra 1 and 2, Geometry, and statistics or precalculus
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Member Since: 9/4/2011
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Originally posted by Lethal
Middle school level math can literally be performed by primates. It won't get you far in life.
And just because its hard or you struggle at it doesn't mean it should just be eliminated. That's something more with the teachers and faculty than the actual concept of math itself.
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Yeah and after I learn it, I forget because we don't apply it in real life etc. etc. etc.
here y'all go again beating around the bush, we just keep going in circles. like, we've already covered this.
And the people that just pop in here with a "Yes" 
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ATRL Senior Member
Member Since: 3/22/2012
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Originally posted by Anvarie
No in my example of math being cut it's implied it would be something applied to college as well
Why would high schools change requirements if colleges didn't as well |
But you literally can't do that. That's not something that could ever feasibly happen - even if it was mandated by every state that state colleges do that, private schools would literally never do that, and there are a LOT of private schools. Like, the discussion here is entirely and totally hypothetical if that's what you're seeking; in no way is it practical to discuss colleges across the nation or world also eliminating those requirements.
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Originally posted by MiMiLamb
I'm saying that language is much more, exponentially more, applicable than math in real life. You may run into a chola you don't like and you might remember "Hola puta"
But that type of situation doesn't happen for high level math. When will you need to know all these formulas in everyday life?
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just because language is more important (which i do agree with) doesnt mean we should exclude maths
like you said (and i elaborated on) , you might forget those skills if you dont practice or reinforce them - and once again its not the exact knowledge that people should care about (such as formulas and algorithms) but the problem solving skills and discipline math gives you which can be integrated into rl - math teaches those skills the best in school.
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ATRL Contributor
Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Originally posted by BabyCantYouSee
Everyone always wants the easy way out. If anything, it's preparing students for university.
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Exactly.
Basically every field requires some level of college math. How are you going to eliminate high school math when it's a requirement in college lol.
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Member Since: 9/4/2011
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Originally posted by BudBud
look at the sentence loose structure and then look at the punctuation , i did not spin it off that way - my clear (and maybe open ended to some) statement was that how can you not enjoy that benefit enough to not take your life away. |
this is all hypothetical because I won't be getting a job like that anyway. like i literally would not be able to do it. which is why i don't care about the benefits of the job.
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Member Since: 8/30/2011
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Mess @ y'all trying it with MiMi 
The girl is trolling and she's still in high school
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Member Since: 2/2/2014
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Originally posted by Arioso
But you literally can't do that. That's not something that could ever feasibly happen - even if it was mandated by every state that state colleges do that, private schools would literally never do that, and there are a LOT of private schools. Like, the discussion here is entirely and totally hypothetical if that's what you're seeking; in no way is it practical to discuss colleges across the nation or world also eliminating those requirements.
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This is my thread and in it my rules apply miss arioso
If you don't like it the door is over there
Bringing logic into a thread on atrl....the nerve
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Originally posted by Jessie Mulay
she's still in high school |
yes we know
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Member Since: 1/1/2014
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Originally posted by Bey_Rihstan
I personally feel that it is the most important subject to learn because you WILL need it in what ever it is that you choose to do in your life. Being able to read, write, & construct sentences intelligently is beneficial. You have much more opportunities in life if you know & speak it. I guarantee that you would find a job easier if you know just English, than if you know just Geometry.
It applies to basically everything. |
I definitely agree with the importance of English. Communication is key, and so many people lack the ability to communicate effectively. It is really unfortunate, however, that studying English does not usually lead to a career path with a high salary and high upward mobility.
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ATRL Contributor
Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Originally posted by MiMiLamb
Yeah and after I learn it, I forget because we don't apply it in real life etc. etc. etc.
here y'all go again beating around the bush, we just keep going in circles. like, we've already covered this.
And the people that just pop in here with a "Yes" |
What you don't realize, is that alot of the things you "forget" gets reiterated every year in high school and even in college. Unless you plan on not attending college, high school math is essential for you whether you "forget" it or not.
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