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News: Serena Williams exposed as disgusting victim blamer.
Member Since: 1/27/2006
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Originally posted by J a y
Not getting so ****ing wasted that you're passed out?
All of these programmes that say exactly what we're saying should clearly be off-air if we're talking **** ![psyduck](images/smilies/images/smilies/psyduck.gif)
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!!! Ban sex education. Ban female defense classes, arrest the teacher. Being attentive, aware of your surroundings, etc. should not be seen as a bad thing to tell people, vulnerable people at that. It CAN prevent things like this, it IS a step. Next time I hear someone tell a female to "be safe" going out, I'm going to slam them with unprovoked arguments.
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Member Since: 6/20/2012
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Originally posted by Starburst
So is murder by a murderer, do you still not take preventive measures against that? ****. ![Bibliotheque](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v232/korn0818/ATRL_Smilies_All/atrlers/biblio_zps23dff242.gif)
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Now honey, I know damn well you did not just say you can take preventative measures against murder.
Murder is random. It is, and will always be. I thought it was common knowledge that you can be murdered at anytime or anyplace?
I'm sorry, but you simply cannot control everything that happens to you, and you should never allow anyone to tell you it is your fault when you are the victim.
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Member Since: 7/15/2012
Posts: 5,955
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Originally posted by I Am Music
Ya'll are a mess where is the steps for rapists huh? where is their guide on how NOT to rape? **** outta here.
Its a two way street.
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Exactly
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Member Since: 7/9/2010
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The way some of you are defending rape makes it look like you have a guilty conscience tbh!
Anyway, what Serena said is disgusting. The victim is never at fault!
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Member Since: 8/23/2011
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Originally posted by 8=K=A=Y=B=E=E=D
As stated earlier in this thread, I am a victim of rape in a similar fashion as this girl. I was underage drinking, but well aware of my surroundings. I was raped by a football player whom I had considered a friend since elementary school. I was surrounded by friends. It was an intimate setting. We went away to talk and it supposed to be a legitimate talk because his mother had just died and I was trying to be there for him as a FRIEND. He forced himself upon me and whether I had been drinking or not I would not have been able to defend myself because I'm a small female. The only way I would have been able to protect myself from that situation would have been to simply not have gone to the party at all. I had good judgment. I was drinking as was all the other females there. I left to be alone with a guy, but I trusted him and had known him for years.
I'm not promiscuous. In high school I was a straight A honor student and had only had consensual sex with one guy. I never got in trouble. There was never an open invitation for him to take something that rightfully belongs to me.
I used molestation as a loaded argument because I too am a victim of molestation as well to make the point that it's never the victim's fault I don't care what the situation is.
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I'm sorry to hear that happened to you, but glad you aren't blaming yourself for something you didn't cause. You're very strong.
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Member Since: 6/9/2011
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I kinda get what she's saying (though, I don't agree.) She just worded herself very poorly.
And no matter how much a female drinks, underage or not, it NEVER justifies her getting taken advantage of.
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Member Since: 6/19/2012
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Originally posted by TheAqua
I swear some pople are block headed.
If I was raped because I drunk until couldn't stand anymore and started puking my guts out,then woke up to find myself sore for obvious reasons,I'd be upset and devastated, I'd prosecute whoever raped me,but that would be a lesson learned for me not just "get comfortable"so to speak with just anybody..
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And what if you were raped while you were sober?
What behavior would you try to correct then???
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Member Since: 6/20/2012
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Originally posted by Rico Shameless v2
!!! Ban sex education. Ban female defense classes, arrest the teacher. Being attentive, aware of your surroundings, etc. should not be seen as a bad thing to tell people, vulnerable people at that. Next time I hear someone tell a female to "be safe" going out, I'm going to slam them with unprovoked arguments.
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Okay.
Telling someone to be safe is completely okay, because that is going under the pretense that you don't want anything bad to happen to that individual. After a crime is performed on them, however, you simply cannot give that person a bulleted list of things they shouldn't have done. At that point you're victim blaming.
![rip](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v232/korn0818/ATRLSmilies/rip_zpsec10ede9.gif) at being "attentive". As ****ing if you can control what happens to you in any environment.
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Member Since: 1/1/2013
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Originally posted by Starburst
So is murder by a murderer, do you still not take preventive measures against that? ****. ![Bibliotheque](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v232/korn0818/ATRL_Smilies_All/atrlers/biblio_zps23dff242.gif)
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![psyduck](images/smilies/images/smilies/psyduck.gif) First of all, yes you can take all the preventitive measures you want, and you can still be murdered. Same thing with rape. There is no way to prevent rape from happening! Most rape victims are raped from people you know and trust. It can happen to anyone! You people have to realize even if you dress modestly, don't drink alcohol, don't hang out with strangers, you can still be raped!
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Member Since: 6/20/2012
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Originally posted by Penk
![psyduck](images/smilies/images/smilies/psyduck.gif) But there is no way to prevent rape from happening! Most rape victims are raped from people you know and trust. It can happen to anyone! You people have to realize even if you dress modestly, don't drink alcohol, don't hang out with strangers, you can still be raped!
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let me hand out burqas to all of my friends real quick
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Member Since: 11/28/2011
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Originally posted by Ties
Should women in society wear burqas?
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It depends. Where are we? Either way you are using "should" equivocally. You are getting confused in what I'm saying is right, and what should be done.
Women shouldn't have to wear burqas anywhere. We shouldn't force public dress codes. But if I woman would recieve a possible death penalty for walking outside with a mini skirt, are you saying she should walk outside with a miniskirt?
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Originally posted by Ties
These were, and are, continuing actions that are supposed to prevent rape. How do you prevent rape? Do I not leave my household? Why should it be her fault because she was raped? Who cares what she did beforehand?
It is purely and entirely the rapists' fault.
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A burqa wouldn't prevent rape in her sitution because she would still get raped anyway. She didn't get raped because of how she looked. She got raped because she was vunerable. Rape is mostly a power thing, not a sexual thing. So your examples are irrelevant.
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Member Since: 8/22/2011
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Originally posted by Javan
That's not what most of us are saying. Of course rapist should change. But there will always be rape in our societies, and it's not uncommon. Of course this should change, but it hasn't yet. So if you do something that knowingly puts you at risk for rape, you have made the choice to do so. For example, when Emily Wilson tweeted a picture of her credit card, people weren't defending that girl. No one was like, "she should be able to share her credit card details in peace". And that's because in reality, humans are selfish, people steal. So it's still her fault. You can't blame society for everything that happens to you. Again, I'm not saying that all rape is preventable. But in some cases, girls could make more thoughtful decisions.
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Yeah rape would be less common in society worldwide if we stop trying to put the blame on the victim. It should solely rely on the rapist, and you wonder why so many women don't come forward. It starts with education and letting men know they have nor right or even right to do do such an act on anyone. That will in turn lessen the amount of rapes not only worldwide but help more women come forward about their terrible experiences.
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Member Since: 6/10/2011
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Originally posted by Artemisia
How do you prevent rape?
You don't drink. OK what if you're raped when you were sober? Then don't dress like a ****. What if I was dressed modestly? Then don't hang out with guys you don't know. But I was with guys I trusted.
Don't you see where this is going? You can come up with ANYTHING to blame the victim.
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Staying sober doesn't prevent rape, but it makes you less vulnerable. I don't understand what's false about that statement...? That's not blaming the victim, that's common sense. The boys are absolutely disgusting and there's no excuse for what they did. There will always be disgusting people in the world and we can't change that, but we can make ourselves less vulnerable. If somebody tried to take advantage of your body (God forbid + it's hard to even imagine) would you rather be sober or completely TRASHED? Hmm....let me think....
EDIT: I just realized I might have worded those last sentences poorly. I mean, would you rather be sober and have a fighting chance to stop the act, or would be rather be trashed and unable to even comprehend what's happening.
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Member Since: 8/6/2012
Posts: 20,242
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Originally posted by TheAqua
Exactly
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We should take precautions but its never 100 percent proof and people shouldn't rape just cause that person is drunk. Its never that persons fault for being raped and i can kind of see you're saying the same thing.
I think we all should cool off a bit.
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Member Since: 3/25/2012
Posts: 10,076
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Originally posted by Ties
Now honey, I know damn well you did not just say you can take preventative measures against murder.
Murder is random. It is, and will always be. I thought it was common knowledge that you can be murdered at anytime or anyplace?
I'm sorry, but you simply cannot control everything that happens to you, and you should never allow anyone to tell you it is your fault when you are the victim.
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Don't involve yourself in illegal activity? Don't treat people like ****? Pretty easy to not be murdered.
Don't get drunk at a party if you don't have friends or can't depend on yourself to protect you? Same logic.
None of this has anything to do with blaming the victim, just common knowledge being confused with idealism. In a perfect world, you wouldn't have to protect yourself from ANYTHING, but we know this isn't the case. Serena was just looking at the situation and giving her word of advice.
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Member Since: 5/27/2010
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Originally posted by KevinKDC
She said nothing wrong.
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How about making apologies for the rapists?
"They did something stupid, but I don't know."
She's implying, whether she realizes it or not, that the girl's actions constituted contributory negligence therefore she shoulders part of the blame.
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Member Since: 8/23/2011
Posts: 11,596
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Originally posted by Javan
A burqa wouldn't prevent rape in her sitution because she would still get raped anyway. She didn't get raped because of how she looked. She got raped because she was vunerable. Rape is mostly a power thing, not a sexual thing. So your examples are irrelevant.
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Oh, that's why!
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Member Since: 4/21/2012
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Originally posted by I Am Music
Ya'll are a mess where is the steps for rapists huh? where is their guide on how NOT to rape? **** outta here.
Its a two way street.
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With some self control on the rapists' part, it's really not that hard.
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Member Since: 6/15/2011
Posts: 5,842
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Originally posted by TheAqua
I'm not contradicting myself AT ALL sweetie,I'm actually making a point.
The girl was at a party,FULL of other people,not just the boys who raped her.Had she been sober she could have LEFT or made sure that someone knew she was being harassed.
She got raped because she was passed out(and couldn't do **** even if she wanted). At least if she was CONSCIOUS she would have had a fighting chance!
and I didn't know much about the story until someone just told me more details. Apparently she was drugged too,so this argument is moot .
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She was raped by several dudes, burly football players at that. Would sobriety grant her the superhuman strength to fight them off?
When will you get that when a rapist targets a victim, there is nothing the victim can do, no matter how much she's had to drink, what she's wearing, where she is, to prevent the rape? I hate to break this to you, but you're just as likely to be a victim of rape as the ****tiest, most careless woman out there. Obviously I don't wish that on you, but your guidelines for rape prevention are nowhere near as effective as you'd like to think.
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Member Since: 5/4/2012
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I think what people are trying to get at is simple as this: Don't get drunk to the point where you cannot coordinate yourself properly, and if you DO make sure youre not alone, with people you dont know, and make the necessary preparation to get your ass home safely. It's that simple.
The world isnt perfect.
And kids shouldnt be drinking underage in the first damn place, but let's not focus on that at the moment.
What if she was an adult, in a situation like and that and she was gonna drive home? I mean she deserves the right to go out, have fun, get as inebriated as possible, do whatever she wants without consequence, why not drive herself home? Right?
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Originally posted by Artemisia
Everyone has to make better decisions but the rapists.
I understand now.
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Jesus. ![Ace Reject](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v232/korn0818/c74c86fd.gif)
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