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News: Shootings/explosion in Paris
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Originally posted by ontherocks
I am just waiting for right-winged or ultra christian terror groups to be formed in the future and attack muslims, jews, gays etc.
I am just wondering how y'all will feel about this and how much confusion that will cause with the things you personally believe in.
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Just like the Muslim ones who tried to enforce Sharia law in London? *
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Member Since: 7/23/2010
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Originally posted by Cz!
Because they were WAY more advanced than Christians in the first centuries of the Islamic era. It was them who revived science, mathematics and Greek philosophy. Then the Caliphate collapsed and Christians took the baton, which led to the Renassaice.
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Muslims didn't revive anything. The Islamic golden age was a mainly product of culture theft and technology transfer through conquest and occupation. After several centuries of doing so and as the Islamic empire settled down with no new conquests and information acquisitions, and with religious obscurantism on the rise, they began to decay.
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People dying over a bunch of fairy tales SMH. Nobody will ever tell me religions aren't evil. Every single one.
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Member Since: 1/3/2014
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Originally posted by Repo
Can't speak for Judaism, but I'm Christian and pretty much 100% pro gay rights and have zero issues with homosexuality. My religious beliefs say God made everyone perfect as is (which I believe. I believe it's possible to be corrupted and make bad choices with what one is given, but that's a self-controlled thing), and I believe homosexuality (or bisexuality) is not a choice. You're either born that way, or it's caused by experience. But either way, you don't have control over it. So to me.... it just seems utterly contradictory to think God makes people perfectly as he wants them, God makes people gay, but God doesn't want gay people to be gay. It makes no sense 
So there are definitely non-homophobic Christians out there. Even some of the ones that aren't particularly for "gay stuff" (for lack of a better term) don't necessarily act in homophobic ways (they basically realize that, while they don't agree, gay people are still people worthy of respects and rights to live a life the way they want to since it's not right to impose one's religion) |
ofcurse there are non-homophobic christians. I just said this is something that exists.
In some countries, where religion is part of the law, gay couples aren't allowed to marry because of that.
I live in a jewish country where I am not allowed to get married because people decided that the rules of judaism should be the laws of israel.
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Member Since: 1/1/2014
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Originally posted by ontherocks
I am just waiting for right-winged or ultra christian terror groups to be formed in the future and attack muslims, jews, gays etc.
I am just wondering how y'all will feel about this and how much confusion that will cause with the things you personally believe in.
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That the specific group is wrong but not all Christians are bad. Also, that they're warping Christian beliefs because there's nothing in the bible which is saying "Guys, go out and create war!" (which, I'm sorry, IS in the Quran. That's a fact)
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Originally posted by Gouldkaty
ofcurse there are non-homophobic christians. I just said this is something that exists.
In some countries, where religion is part of the law, gay couples aren't allowed to marry because of that.
I live in a jewish country where I am not allowed to get married because people decided that the rules of judaism should be the laws of israel.
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So... I don't get your point. Obviously every religion has its good and bad followers (in terms of basic morality). That's nothing new.
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Originally posted by BadMonster
the Dutch PM said earlier today we are at war with IS. It's been confirmed that our country has officially filed a declaration of war on the stateless army of ISIS  |
Omg for real
Do you have a sourcr for this?
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Member Since: 8/1/2012
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Originally posted by Gouldkaty
ofcurse they are not 100% bad. But almost every religion has bad things.
We should learn the good things from all religions, but not as a religion, because when we think there is god then we do anything the religion says, including the bad things.
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Obviously.
All religions are dangerous.
Christianity, judaism, islam etc.
Secularization is the reason we even have LGBT rights in Europe and North-America.
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Originally posted by Nonchalant
Much of the hostility to Islam on here comes as a response to the blatant and rampant homophobia in the Islamic world. I don't think you can blame people for that.
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Oh I agree, but it's nonetheless incorrectly perceived and in turn the anger is targeted back using generalisations.
Atheists being the worst, followed members of LGBT, and then other religious groups who practice their beliefs differently.
I don't blame people, I pity them in all honesty. It's a very naive way of thinking.
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Member Since: 1/1/2013
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Originally posted by *Tim
Omg for real |
Yes, RTL Nieuws is the source, they had a law professor, an expert, explain what this means and that the PM can only say this if there's a declaration of war. I'm not ready to be drafted for the army 
I knew I was gonna see a war in my life, we were discussing a possible war with colleagues last week and predicted it would happen within five years... turns out it was within five goddamn days
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Originally posted by Marvin
So dramatic
Please stop. The religious population is lower than it's ever been in years. How are they taking over the world? |
sis, Islam is becoming bigger and bigger
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Member Since: 4/14/2011
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Originally posted by BadMonster
the Dutch PM said earlier today we are at war with IS. It's been confirmed that our country has officially filed a declaration of war on the stateless army of ISIS |
Oh God, this could be the beginning of something really bad.
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Member Since: 6/3/2011
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Originally posted by fabbriche
Muslims didn't revive anything. The Islamic golden age was a mainly product of culture theft and technology transfer through conquest and occupation. After several centuries of doing so and as the Islamic empire settled down with no new conquests and information acquisitions, and with religious obscurantism on the rise, they began to decay.
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That sounds like Catholic propaganda. 
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Member Since: 8/7/2015
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Its nice seeing people come together after stuff like this, I'm from the USA and literally my whole Facebook feed is about this and everyone changed their profile pictures to the French flag
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Originally posted by RomanNavy
Secularization is the reason we even have LGBT rights in Europe and North-America.
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I believe in such values. It's confusing when members of LGBT go against the rights of religious people.
Makes no sense to me whatsoever. We're all fighting for an equal way of living. Not I'm right and you're wrong.
If we can't live together, we're going to die alone. 
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Member Since: 8/17/2013
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Originally posted by J a y
Oh I agree, but it's nonetheless incorrectly perceived and in turn the anger is targeted back using generalisations.
Atheists being the worst, followed members of LGBT, and then other religious groups who practice their beliefs differently.
I don't blame people, I pity them in all honesty. It's a very naive way of thinking.
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I'd argue that your point of view is naive. The statistics on support for homosexuality in the Islamic world are dreadful. Even worse, the majority of people support the punishments described in the Qu' ran, and thus the death penalty for homosexuality among many other things. These points of view would be considered right wing extremism in the West, and I'd question why you're content to ignore them just because the majority of people are not terrorists.
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2. A second group of back-up confederates was made up of drivers, who drove the terrorists to the scenes of attack and were ready to extricate any survivors. They handed the attackers their bomb belts, automatic weapons and explosives and acting also as spotters who watched and recording the movements of French security forces. They also photographed the incident.
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Omg
http://app.debka.com/n/article/25022...ocity-in-Paris
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Schools will open Monday with a minute of silence
US Embassy says there were Americans among the injured
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So thankful my friends are okay in Paris. Shocked that the Dutch PM actually declared war on IS
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