[artpop]

Fabulous it never made sense that some people who choose to believe in some imaginary friend in the sky were afforded more rights when covering their face because of their imaginary friend.

[revel8]

The people in that region took a referendum on the issue and it was decided at the ballot box. That is democracy in action. Last I checked, women in Saudi Arabia were never given a referendum on the issue.

Freedom of Religion is in the consitution of Switzerland, and banning the wearing of these particular items of clothing in no way prevents anyone from being a practicing Muslim. The Swiss have previously banned the ritual slaughter of animals that some religions espouse, because it conflicts with the Swiss laws on animal treatment.

Switzerland is hardly the most restrictive of places though. There are literally places where a lot of atrlers would still be executed because of their sexuality.

[Idontcareaboutyou]

Originally posted by revel8

The people in that region took a referendum on the issue and it was decided at the ballot box. That is democracy in action. Last I checked, women in Saudi Arabia were never given a referendum on the issue.

Freedom of Religion is in the consitution of Switzerland, and banning the wearing of these particular items of clothing in no way prevents anyone from being a practicing Muslim. The Swiss have previously banned the ritual slaughter of animals that some religions espouse, because it conflicts with the Swiss laws on animal treatment.

Switzerland is hardly the most restrictive of places though. There are literally places where a lot of atrlers would still be executed because of their sexuality.

Yes and no. As I said, democracy should guarantee a protection of the minorities, regardless of majority opinion. No democracy should be able to vote for gays to be hunted down, for example.

[MaRy]

Originally posted by Idontcareaboutyou

Pictures of Afghanistan in the 1960 (including the countryside) :

http://blogs.denverpost.com/captured...s-photos/5846/

Some women with the hijab, some without. Not ONE burqa or niqab on the horizon.

Omg

Islamic fundamentalism is very recent, I wonder how this regression came about...

[Idontcareaboutyou]

Originally posted by MaRy

Omg

Islamic fundamentalism is very recent, I wonder how this regression came about...

USSR invasion which prompted the US and its allies to fund the Taliban who were fighting against the invasion + Saudian funding + Islamic Revolution in Iran which contributed to the spread of Islamic fundamentalism.

[mosspillows]

it's so disgusting and hypocritical that most of you only give 2 ***** about "women's rights" when it allows you to justify your bigotry towards Muslims

[Idontcareaboutyou]

Originally posted by mosspillows

it's so disgusting and hypocritical that most of you only give 2 ***** about "women's rights" when it allows you to justify your bigotry towards Muslims

Again, burqas and niqabs are not part of Muslim culture, they are instruments of Islamic fundamentalism.

[Samuel]

Originally posted by Idontcareaboutyou

Pictures of Afghanistan in the 1960 (including the countryside) :

http://blogs.denverpost.com/captured...s-photos/5846/

Some women with the hijab, some without. Not ONE burqa or niqab on the horizon.

I was in Afghanistan, March/April 1978, there were blossom trees along the roadside, snow on the mountain peaks, beautiful women sometimes wearing sky blue chadri but spied with blue jeans and platform shoes underneath, beautiful eyes with dense black eyelashes and laughter. Delightful young men wanting to practice their english, incredibly polite and if you said no, they just thanked you. And if you said yes, huge white smiles and laughing eyes, and simple chat with them wanting us to correct their sentences. Chicken Street in Kabul, we bought Mars Bars. Jallalabad with the cattle market, bread ovens, shortbread biscuits of such richness that crumbled in your mouth and the kebabs fragrant with coriander (an unknown back then). The lovely gentleman in Herat who introduced me to drinking black tea from a glass while holding a white boiled sweet in my mouth. The horses obviously much loved and decorated in red wool pompoms. The vastly decorative blue tiles of the mosques. The wicked humour of the tribesmen outside of the main cities. The dry dry air of the plains that made your nose itch. Being uncomfortable in Khandahar, puzzled by Ghazni which was so like stepping back five hundred years, flat and low and ancient. It has been a sad time of some 30 years now trying to forget how beautiful I found Afghanistan because seeing it like it is now is so hard, and I come from the other side of the world. Heaven bless those who are struggling to find what was lost/stolen from them.

One of the comments It's so sad to see how much they've regressed.

[mosspillows]

Originally posted by Idontcareaboutyou

Again, burqas and niqabs are not part of Muslim culture, they are instruments of Islamic fundamentalism.

Stop. They are a part of Muslim culture because the people that wear them are Muslim. That means the people that are being targeted by this law are Muslim. A law that singles out one group of people (especially an ethnic minority) is discrimination. This isn't hard to understand and playing dumb about it isn't an argument.

[getinthezone]

Originally posted by mosspillows

Stop. They are a part of Muslim culture because the people that wear them are Muslim. That means the people that are being targeted by this law are Muslim. A law that singles out one group of people (especially an ethnic minority) is discrimination. This isn't hard to understand and playing dumb about it isn't an argument.

Women are forced to wear them, why don't you western leftist idiots understand this? You're all for women rights but get mad when western countries ban clothing that only exits to oppress women?

[Idontcareaboutyou]

Originally posted by mosspillows

Stop. They are a part of Muslim culture because the people that wear them are Muslim. That means the people that are being targeted by this law are Muslim. A law that singles out one group of people (especially an ethnic minority) is discrimination. This isn't hard to understand and playing dumb about it isn't an argument.

More often than not these people are subject to a mix of extremist religious and peer pressure (either marital or patriarchal ). Besides, a culture is not only determined by those who accept it, but also by its historical and geographic origins : in the case of the burqa and the niqab, it's Islamic Fundamentalism.

I don't respect Islamic fundamentalism, and I have no intention of apologizing. And when I see the damage it's done and continues to do, I think I'm on the right side of things.

[Idontcareaboutyou]

Originally posted by Samuel

One of the comments It's so sad to see how much they've regressed.

I'd love to see the leftists here go and tell that person who actually experienced Afghanistan first hand how much burqas and niqabs are part of Muslim culture.

[mosspillows]

Originally posted by getinthezone

Women are forced to wear them, why don't you western leftist idiots understand this? You're all for women rights but get mad when western countries ban clothing that only exits to oppress women?

So you're their saviors now? I thought this was being done for "security reasons," because these women are dangerous? Which is it? Lol.

[Idontcareaboutyou]

Originally posted by mosspillows

So you're their saviors now? I thought this was being done for "security reasons," because these women are dangerous? Which is it? Lol.

Both.

[SebaMonster]

This oppression of women shouldn't be okay in the Western world. They can still wear hijabs.

[RihannasVeryOwn]

There's a difference between majority Muslim country banning it for national security and a country where Muslims are a minority banning it to add further oppression and discrimination to the Muslim community.

[RihannasVeryOwn]

Originally posted by getinthezone

Women are forced to wear them, why don't you western leftist idiots understand this? You're all for women rights but get mad when western countries ban clothing that only exits to oppress women?

Please tell me more about how oppressed I am for wearing the hijab compared to nuns wearing the habit to practice their religion. Why aren't they oppressed too? Also Muslims living in Afghanistan are equal to Muslims living anywhere else? As if all Muslims have the same culture? (they don't)
You all need to stop talking about things you have no knowledge of cos this thread looks like a gathering of misinformed idiots no shade

[Idontcareaboutyou]

Originally posted by RihannasVeryOwn

There's a difference between majority Muslim country banning it for national security and a country where Muslims are a minority banning it to add further oppression and discrimination to the Muslim community.

These people don't represent the Muslim community but an extremist minority among that community. We've even seen Muslims here who said they were against it.

[Idontcareaboutyou]

Originally posted by RihannasVeryOwn

Please tell me more about how oppressed I am for wearing the hijab compared to nuns wearing the habit to practice their religion. Why aren't they oppressed too? Also Muslims living in Afghanistan are equal to Muslims living anywhere else? As if all Muslims have the same culture? (they don't)
You all need to stop talking about things you have no knowledge of cos this thread looks like a gathering of misinformed idiots no shade

Not the hijab, the burqa or the niqab.
Although some argue that women wearing the hijab are also oppressed to a degree (see the video of the former Amnisty International lady I posted earlier).

[Jackk]

Good. I don't feel comfortable seeing those woman wearing such clothing, they could literally kill me and not get caught. If I saw a person walking around with a balaclava I would also be paranoid. Covering your face in the western world is just not something that's socially normal like it is in the Middle East! So in saying that, if some of the western countries want to ban them, then kudos