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Poll: Is Taylor already bigger than Brittney?
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Yes
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No
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Member Since: 4/20/2011
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Originally posted by Eternium
Do you honestly think the volume of releases doesn't have an affect on the total number of albums sold? Stahhhhpppp
Wait, not you posting a chart of shipments and trying to pass it off as sales Btw, Britney is missing but sold 3.3M in just the U.S. in 2001.
I agree that the digital market hurt sales. That's why we use TEAs/SEAs. My argument is that the equation you use (i.e. multiplying an album by market share) is incredibly remedial math of you and is not a better representative of how the market changed than what industry professionals came up with. Your formula doesn't even take album release volume in to account, which is something I'm not sure you understand.
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Well you haven't provided proof that there are less albums being released now compared to back then
I used IFPI numbers for both 2012 and 2001, it's not like I used IFPI for 2001 and then used mediatraffic sales for 2012 to artificially inflate the difference, so I don't get your point here. I guess you have to find something to nitpick after the catalog sales/number of releases theory was proven wrong
Yes, some charts use TEAs/SEAs to compare current albums with each other, not to compare albums from now to those from the 90s/early 00s.
The point is that SEAs/TEAs doesn't compensate enough for the loss in album sales to be a fair and equal comparison.
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TEA (album sales + downloads/10) during Britney's peak (obviously there were no downloads then):
Year - TEA
1999 - 3,183,000,000
2000 - 3,112,000,000
2001 - 2,908,000,000
During Taylor's peak:
2012 - 1,291,700,000
2013 - 1,197,600,000
2014 - 1,066,500,000
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To compensate for the ~2 billion difference in album sales, ~3 trillion streams are needed. Considering only 164 billion streams were detected in 2014 in the US, I highly doubt there were 2.836 trillion streams elsewhere
You can compare absolute sales if you want but it doesn't tell who is 'bigger' unless the market is similar size which it isn't at all (even with TEA and SEA). The comparison is obviously stacked against Taylor
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Originally posted by Toxicity.
Why do you keep using IS? Shouldn't it be WAS? Because Britney is not bigger than Taylor anywhere on planet Earth and hasn't been since 2008. I'm just concerned about your tense usage.
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No, because 97M IS bigger than 51M. Grammar lessons for you and math lessons for Slobro. You bitches owe me.
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Originally posted by slobro
Well you haven't provided proof that there are less albums being released now compared to back then
I used IFPI numbers for both 2012 and 2001, it's not like I used IFPI for 2001 and then used mediatraffic sales for 2012 to artificially inflate the difference, so I don't get your point here. I guess you have to find something to nitpick after the catalog sales/number of releases theory was proven wrong
Yes, some charts use TEAs/SEAs to compare current albums with each other, not to compare albums from now to those from the 90s/early 00s.
The point is that SEAs/TEAs doesn't compensate enough for the loss in album sales to be a fair and equal comparison.
To compensate for the ~2 billion difference in album sales, ~3 trillion streams are needed. Considering only 164 billion streams were detected in 2014 in the US, I highly doubt there were 2.836 trillion streams elsewhere
You can compare absolute sales if you want but it doesn't tell who is 'bigger' unless the market is similar size which it isn't at all (even with TEA and SEA). The comparison is obviously stacked against Taylor
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Originally posted by Billboard
About 75,000 albums were released in 2010, according to Nielsen, down 22% from 96,000 in 2009
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More importantly:
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Originally posted by Billboard
Not only were fewer albums released, but the weakest sellers took up a smaller share of new release sales. The 60,000 titles that sold from 1 to 100 units represented 0.7% of all sales from titles released in 2010. In 2009, 0.9% of sales came from the 80,000 titles that sold from 1 to 100 units.
Put another way, the 60,000 new releases that sold 100 or fewer units averaged just 13.3 units per title.
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Market share is just as incomparable as pure album sales are.
TEAs/SEAs were created to compensate for the falling music market. Wtf They weren't created to compare 2014 albums to other 2014 albums.
If Taylor is bigger, she would've pushed the market like Adele, N*SYNC, Britney, Whitney, Eminem, Madonna, Michael, The Beatles, etc. did.
The TEAs/SEAs are much bigger than most years in the 60s/70s/80s/90s/00s. Taylor is not at an unfair advantage other than the fact that Britney has a much longer career.
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....but thanks for trying....
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the MESS of people actually agreeing in this thread!!
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Originally posted by revel8
The Grammy's say yes!
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The landslide votes. Common sense prevailing over delusion.
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How can anyone say Taylor is bigger than Britney in the U.S.
She still hasn't matched up to Britney even in the U.S. Britheys overall career in the U.S. is much bigger than Taylor's. Let's not even embarrass Taylor by comparing their WW success. I would say Taylor is in the top 10 most successful female artists ever but she certainly is not above Britney.
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Right now, definitely yes.
Overall, definitely not.
Britney mania before is still bigger than Lady Gaga mania and Taylor mania combined.
I mean every single Britney music video is an event. She was everywhere. She's basically the epitome of a popstar. She's controversial but not in a trying hard manner. She just gets the attention.
For example, Xtina released a more raunchier version of Slave and nobody really cared after like 48 hours. Her meltdown is basically caused by her overpopularity back in the day. Even when she was out of the spotlight, everyone is still on her ass.
I'm not saying Taylor wouldn't reach that amount of success but she's definitely not on Britney's league as of late.
When Britney alienated her audience by releasing more adult songs and music videos, everybody thought she was over but all of her fans still were there, well most of them. They never really left. She has one of the most loyal fanbases ever. Her kiddie to mature transition is probably the most successful ever.
Selena, Taylor, Lana, Demi, Beyonce, Gaga, Kesha, Miley, Katy and Adele are huge fans of Britney. Almost every single pop star loves her. And most of the listed have obvious influences from Britney. Even Kanye West and Jay-Z are fans.
Until Taylor becomes an influence to majority of the newcomers, I'm going to say no.
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Originally posted by muddysquirrel
Yes. Gunning for diamond with your 5th LP in absolutely dead music market is much more impressive than what Brit has ever done.
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the fact you think 1989 will go diamond
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Originally posted by Toxicity.
Why do you keep using IS? Shouldn't it be WAS? Because Britney is not bigger than Taylor anywhere on planet Earth and hasn't been since 2008. I'm just concerned about your tense usage.
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You do realise Taylor was local up until the Red era
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Britney is in another level...sorry
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Member Since: 12/30/2010
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Yes, she actually has always been bigger than her.
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No, she is still a local star. She's BIG outside US, but not on Rihanna's, Katy's or Gaga's level. She's more like Selena or Demi Lovato WW.
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taylor Swift is bigger than EVERYONE in the music industry atm(excluding Adele) not just Britney.
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Originally posted by Dollas n Diamonds
I certainly hope you ment 1989 cause
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So Taylor Swift fans have gone to the extent that it's disgusting to be born in another year other than their precious little fave's year?
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Originally posted by Eternium
Wait, I remember that post you made about being born in 1998 and not remembering Britney at all from '98-'01. Yess @ you joining the team
The Hive coming through for the Army today I owe you guys one.
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Yaaas #ArmyHive2015.
Seriously tho. I may shade Britney here and there but I do like her (probably may add her to my sig if I heard all her albums) and I cannot DENY her achievements. Just because she's not as big now doesn't take away all her success and impact.
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Originally posted by °ColdFire°
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Originally posted by BlueTimberwolf
This is why Swifites are annoying, you are always try to throw other artists under the bus to make Taylor look better.
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!!!! Always coming for Beyonce and Kanye, like
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Originally posted by analxspears
Britney ***** on Taylor.
Let me start with her career
Britney at her peak 1998-2004 had successful multi-platinum album's singles, tours, pumping out HIT AFTER hit, music videos that to this day are iconic and referenced(the same can't be said for taylor when her hits from last era are forgotten), performances that are ICONIC POP CULTURE moments and are still referenced to this day(the same can't be said for taylor as... she's done nothing) not only this but also huge amounts of merchandise( Dolls, VIDEO GAMES EVEN, pencil cases ect).
She then became a tabloid icon 2004-2007 as she was watched intensely by the WORLD, "britney watch" as they call it.
She then rose from the ashes and had a SECOND PEAK in 2008-2009 having a wildly successful comeback with HUGE selling singles, good selling album, her most successful tour ect. She then had another commercial era Femme Fatale later on.
Not only this but she has a star on the hollywood walk of fame, has performed with madonna and MJ, the royalty of the pop world, and has even collaborated with Madonna.
When will Local Taylor achieve a fraction of this?
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Taylor fans think everything is all about sales.
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No it means you're 15 what the hell would you know about peak Spears
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