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Poll: Do you still consider Gaga a main pop girl?
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Originally posted by Bang Up
ARTPOP had more chart hits than BEYONCE.
PRISM only sold around 1m more than ARTPOP despite having two massive singles.
Rihanna hasn't done anything in a while apart from a collab.
Gaga and Beyonce were the only two female artists to land on Forbes' Most Powerful Women list.
Gaga's "flop" tour grossed/the same as Rihanna and Katy's tours during their album peaks.
Rihanna and Katy only made around $7m more in 2013 than Gaga and they both have double the endorsements, hits, and supposed "relevancy".
If Gaga isn't still a big pop girl then neither are the others.  |
1. It had more hits yet it couldn't outsell it when it's been out the longer time?
2. Prism is at 3.3m, ARTPOP is not over 2m so I don't know where you got those 1 million over Gaga, as if it was something easy to sell nowadays...
3. I give the Forbes thing.
4. ARTRave did considerably less than the other two tours and this is not Katy's peak as many monsters have made it seem and the tour dates has nothing to do it because if there's demand of course they'd add more dates.
5. I give the endorsements thing too
But out of that they've been bigger than Gaga...
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Originally posted by Bang Up
Katy still declined, though.
And if you wanna get real, Gaga had a reason to decline considering she had no major hits to keep her going. Meanwhile, Katy recently scored two of the biggest hits of the decade and still failed to sell as much as she did before.
Cut the ******** and stop trying to justify your fave's decline while hyperbolating and shading Gaga's. Everyone has declined besides Taylor, who is just a force beyond belief.
and wow yes Birthday and THIWD sold less than 1 million such an accomplishment  i would be worried if they didn't |
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Originally posted by UnusualBoy
1. It had more hits yet it couldn't outsold it when it's been out the longer time?
2. Prism is at 3.3m, ARTPOP is not over 2m so I don't know where you got those 1 million over Gaga, as if it was something easy to sell nowadays...
3. I give the Forbes thing.
4. ARTRave did considerably less than the other two tours and this is not Katy's peak as many monsters have made it seem and the tour dates has nothing to do it because if there's demand of course they'd add more dates.
5. I give the endorsements thing too
But out of that they've been bigger than Gaga...
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Let's be real, part of the reason why BEYONCE was so huge was 'cause of the surprise release... it was a great marketing tactic.
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Originally posted by UnusualBoy
1. It had more hits yet it couldn't outsell it when it's been out the longer time?
2. Prism is at 3.3m, ARTPOP is not over 2m so I don't know where you got those 1 million over Gaga, as if it was something easy to sell nowadays...
3. I give the Forbes thing.
4. ARTRave did considerably less than the other two tours and this is not Katy's peak as many monsters have made it seem and the tour dates has nothing to do it because if there's demand of course they'd add more dates.
5. I give the endorsements thing too
But out of that they've been bigger than Gaga...
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Nope, it didn't outsell BEYONCE, but ATRL likes to act like chart hits are the most important thing.
ARTPOP is over 2.3m. It sold 2.3m in 2013 alone as confirmed by the ONLY RELIABLE SOURCE for worldwide sales, IFPI.
Of course the artRAVE did less. What is your point? The MDNA tour grossed $100,000,000 less than Madonna's previous tour and no one is talking about that. The artRAVE was for an album that simply didn't connect so, like MDNA, its tour did not do as well. Simple logic.
But yeah, they are bigger than Gaga, I'm not denying that. I'm not saying Gaga is the biggest popstar, she's not and hasn't been for a while. But she is a major pop girl. That's my point and why I made the comparisons (they aren't much bigger by the numbers).
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Originally posted by Mariano
DWUW sold 1.4M in the USA alone without a video and only 89M AI. If the video was released it would be by far bigger than Applause and probably close to BTW numbers in the USA and WW (It has done better WW than Applause without the video)
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"Without a music video" as if it wasn't promoted EVERYWHERE? as if she didn't release a remix with Christina Aguilera? as if she didn't ***** it out on twitter?
The single sold 1.2m not 1.4m and no sweetie, it wouldn't have sold close to BTW numbers lol wtf 
the delusion is literally real
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Originally posted by Mariano
Really ? Are you for real 
Katy Perry - 178 000 000 results
Lady Gaga - 153 000 000 results
THIS is ABSOLUTELY THE SAME LIKE THIS
https://www.google.bg/trends/explore...20Perry&cmpt=q
IT SAYS:
November 2014 (you have to ****ing place your mouse on the end of the diagram to see it ) Lady Gaga - 10, Katy Perry - 16
Does that look to you as if Katy is WAY above Gaga ? It's in front of your eyes.
And do I have to remind you again that the results when you search for Katy / Gaga's name in Google is absolutely the same thing as the DIAGRAM in Google Trends which covers google searches ? 
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What the **** are you even talking about? I'm talking about the ENTIRE year, not the last 21 days where NONE of them haven't done anything (maybe gaga did but probably not because it'd be embarrassing if she was still under katy)
I know the diagram thing, I've never even denied it like what the hell is wrong with you 
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Beyonce has longevity. Please don't underestimate that in this argument.
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Yes, you'd have to be delusional or a troll to say otherwise.
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Originally posted by Bang Up
ARTPOP had more chart hits than BEYONCE.
PRISM only sold around 1m more than ARTPOP despite having two massive singles.
Rihanna hasn't done anything in a while apart from a collab.
Gaga and Beyonce were the only two female artists to land on Forbes' Most Powerful Women list.
Gaga's "flop" tour grossed/the same as Rihanna and Katy's tours during their album peaks.
Rihanna and Katy only made around $7m more in 2013 than Gaga and they both have double the endorsements, hits, and supposed "relevancy".
If Gaga isn't still a big pop girl then neither are the others. |
 a milli is HUGE in todays market, and who cares if Rihannas and Katy tour #'s back then weren't that good at the end the 2 of them improved, Gaga gross declined from the get go she grosses less with every new tour.
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To say she isn't would be stupid. Not arguable.
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The excuses in this thread
"It didn't have a video"
"Only one flop era"
"No major hits"
"If this and if that"
"But Katy's peak and Katy only sold!1!1"
"Obama, Forbes and Billboard still mentioning her!!!1!!1"
This is getting embarrasing  People need to accept the fact that she isn't at her top game anymore and stop living in denial.
Also ARTPOP barely selling 2m with all of this promo prior to the album being released:
VMA's
iTunes Festival
GMA
Xfactor UK
SNL
+ a special glee episode, countless tweets about the album hyping it + 3 promo singles and 3 months of pre-ordering - isn't really something to be proud of 
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Of course she is.
I would say Beyonce, Rihanna, Ariana, Gaga, Katy, Taylor, Miley, and P!nk are the main pop girls.
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Originally posted by Monceau
a milli is HUGE in todays market, and who cares if Rihannas and Katy tour #'s back then weren't that good at the end the 2 of them improved, Gaga gross declined from the get go she grosses less with every new tour. |
Of course they improved, their beginning numbers were horrid. Gaga's on the other hand were phenomenal. She ****ing grossed $228,000,000 with her first tour, of course she's going to decline. You guys always ignore the fact that Gaga's debut was so big that she couldn't possibly "improve" on it.
And again, a decline =/= unsuccessful. She is still selling millions of records, tickets, albums, etc.
You guys have to repeatedly strip the context from everything surrounding Gaga in order to hyperbolate her "decline", which only shows she's not doing as poorly as you guys want to believe.
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Originally posted by Fred Perry
The excuses in this thread
"It didn't have a video"
"Only one flop era"
"No major hits"
"If this and if that"
"But Katy's peak and Katy only sold!1!1"
"Obama, Forbes and Billboard still mentioning her!!!1!!1"
This is getting embarrasing People need to accept the fact that she isn't at her top game anymore and stop living in denial.
Also ARTPOP barely selling 2m with all of this promo prior to the album being released:
VMA's
iTunes Festival
GMA
Xfactor UK
SNL
+ a special glee episode, countless tweets about the album hyping it + 3 promo singles and 3 months of pre-ordering - isn't really something to be proud of |
90% of these are not "Excuses", they're factors that literally play a role in an album's and single's success. Major hits, videos, promotion, etc. Like, again with the removing of context in order to twist things.
And again, ARTPOP sold over 2m in 2013 alone. You guys can pretend like IFPI doesn't exist, it only furthers proves my point that you guys have to ignore things to hyperbolate Gaga's "decline".
Your fave did all that promo and then some plus had two of this decade's biggest hits and videos and only sold about 1m more and half of her previous album. That's not really something to be proud of.
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Originally posted by Bang Up
'Applause' is Gaga's biggest radio hit. You can ask anyone in the radio thread, or anyone who pays attention to that. You don't even know the facts and yet you're trying to talk about it.
Katy still declined, though.
And if you wanna get real, Gaga had a reason to decline considering she had no major hits to keep her going. Meanwhile, Katy recently scored two of the biggest hits of the decade and still failed to sell as much as she did before.
Cut the ******** and stop trying to justify your fave's decline while hyperbolating and shading Gaga's. Everyone has declined besides Taylor, who is just a force beyond belief.
and wow yes Birthday and THIWD sold less than 1 million such an accomplishment i would be worried if they didn't |
Applause
#4 Top 40
#24 AC
#8 HAC
Bad Romance (not sure if its her biggest hit)
#1 Top 40
#20 AC
#7 HAC
and Applause has BARELY any recurrent airplay and wouldn't it be a drag if it was her biggest radio hit and it only sold 2.4 million?
Miss me with that ********.
First you say its her biggest radio hit then you say she didn't have any major hits? hm? and the fact she didn't have any SMASH HITS is a decline, no one supported her or backed her up.
Why the **** would Katy sell as much as her peak when she had 8 Top 3 singles? like do you realize how stupid you sound?
Katy had a normal decline while Gaga's isn't normal, there's an OBVIOUS difference here like everyone sees it except the little monsters omg
Who said anything about Bday and TIHWD?
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yes and i'm a katy kat so this is unbiased!
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Originally posted by Alaska.
Yes, you'd have to be delusional or a troll to say otherwise.
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This.
Even though ARTPOP is her lowest selling era it does not mean she is a flop. I mean just look at album sales this year; they are in the pits. One under performing era doesn't make you a flop with two top 15 singles, a widely successful tour and 1.7+ million sales
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yes, the GP doesnt care about the sales figures y'all are arguing over. people still know the name lady gaga over most other girls so yes she is 
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Biggest radio hit argument is laughable, Britney got her biggest one with I Wanna Go followed with Scream & Shout, it didn't stop WB to flop just like MLJ didn't make Your Body a hit.
Touring is today way to know who the gp wants the fact remains Gaga con compete today with P!nk, Beyoncé, Rihanna or Katy. She is in no way a fad or has been but she is now in another league.
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Originally posted by Fred Perry
Also ARTPOP barely selling 2m with all of this promo prior to the album being released:
VMA's
iTunes Festival
GMA
Xfactor UK
SNL
+ a special glee episode, countless tweets about the album hyping it + 3 promo singles and 3 months of pre-ordering - isn't really something to be proud of |
I think its so obnoxious when people try and exaggerate how much promotion it had as if it were majorly hyped to the same extent as some of her peers or her previous albums. The album had decent to mild promotion for Lady Gaga, the most prominent being the VMA's which clearly did make a difference considering Applause's success which was much more than the majority of singles from Born This Way. I can't with people acting like UK X Factor, itunes festival, or GMA is some sort of important vessel for releasing music. only the fans really pay attention to **** like that.
Theres a variety of factors that contributed to this being her obviously least successful era but so far shes been incapable of providing a legitimate train wreck commercially. People desperately want to make this out to be some sort of Bionic/MDNA type album disaster as proved by responses from Katy Perry and Madonna fans in this thread but honestly ARTPOP was all around just whatever. And that for Lady Gaga isn't a great thing and I don't think its arguable that people have opposition towards her, but a train wreck it is not. Her tour did well, the album did ok. When she sells 80k- and gets demoted to doing theater tours and county fairs than there will be validity to these arguments of how supposedly unsuccessful and irrelevant she is. Right now shes just like this big name in successful limbo.
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