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Celeb News: Kesha Swore Under Oath Dr. Luke Did NOT Sexually Assault Her
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Originally posted by TikiMiss
that may be the truth, but in front of a jury and a judge, they likely won't be thinking in those terms. The defense (Luke) will probably be relentless and spend their time calling Kesha's character into question, which is the easiest way for them to win the case. If Kesha admits to perjury, she will have done 50% of the work for them because lying, especially as a rich successful celebrity, is rarely excusable. If she doesn't admit to perjury, there are huge gaping holes in her story and lawsuit, and there's likelihood it will get thrown out before even going to the jury.
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okay but I'm talking about what YOU believe. You're not on the jury are you?
We are not the jury. This forum, tmz and all other media outlets are made up of celebrity/music fans and all we can do is discuss what we think based off of what we read.
Even now, based off of what you just said I've concluded that Luke set her up to fail from the very beginning. Isn't it obvious? She's trapped and it's his fault. Questioning Kesha's character based off of this is reasonable but you can't just question hers... You have to question his too and I don't believe anyone in their right mind would think he's a good, honest person after analyzing how Kesha is trapped in this predicament.
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Originally posted by TikiMiss
Ke$ha is 27 as of now 2014. She claims, in her lawsuit, that she was abused since 18, which would have been 2003. In 2011, she testifies that she was never roofed/drugged by Dr. Luke and that she never had sexual relations with him. So, going by your theory that the sexual stuff happened after, 2003-2011 was A-OK, and then as soon as K$ turned 24, Dr. Luke finds her irresistibly attractive, and decides to roofie her to get in her pants? all while calling her a fat refrigerator?
The story does not add up whatsoever, and that is what a jury/judge will probably find too, unless Kesha admits to perjury.
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Luke's team is so smart, though. By making the case look unwinnable, he may have just scared any potential additional witnesses/victims back into hiding. Not saying it's a good thing, but it's great legal maneuvering.
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She stated he ABUSED her which could fall under a number of things, including rape, sexually, emotionally abused, physically bused ect. You're point proves nothing, the only thing that matters now is time and when things occurred now.
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Originally posted by collin
Lol at "Yas Dr. Luke" coming from someone named SneakerNerd, eek!
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I'm dyihg OMG.
Well, Kesha you in danger gurl.
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Originally posted by Antonini
But if they had to ask her back then then I think this could give credence to her claims
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This.
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Originally posted by Giliap
the problem is that with this logic (which is totally fair) people should be keeping quiet but instead they're finding anything to discredit Kesha.
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And people are also trying to discredit the accused. What's the difference?
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Clearly Kesha could have lied back in 2011. She was on top of the world and the last thing that was going thru her head was a disastrous lawsuit like this one. She would've been screwed if she didn't lie and to add on to that Luke threatened her and her family... case and point.
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Originally posted by TikiMiss
Ke$ha is 27 as of now 2014. She claims, in her lawsuit, that she was abused since 18, which would have been 2003.
Luke's team is so smart, though. By making the case look unwinnable, he may have just scared any potential additional witnesses/victims back into hiding. Not saying it's a good thing, but it's great legal maneuvering.
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No. In 2003, she was only 16. That's in 2005, the year she was signed by Dr. Luke, that she was 18.
And I wouldn't say Luke's team is "smart" tbh. I find them pretty pathetic, like they're running out so much of ideas that they have to bring some **** from the past.
As of now, there are just allegations, Kesha's claims + some actual facts, Luke's deny...but all I can say is that I find Luke's lawyer very unprofessional, I don't know but all these statements seem so childish to me...
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Originally posted by TikiMiss
Ke$ha is 27 as of now 2014. She claims, in her lawsuit, that she was abused since 18, which would have been 2003. In 2011, she testifies that she was never roofed/drugged by Dr. Luke and that she never had sexual relations with him. So, going by your theory that the sexual stuff happened after, 2003-2011 was A-OK, and then as soon as K$ turned 24, Dr. Luke finds her irresistibly attractive, and decides to roofie her to get in her pants? all while calling her a fat refrigerator?
The story does not add up whatsoever, and that is what a jury/judge will probably find too, unless Kesha admits to perjury.
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Luke's team is so smart, though. By making the case look unwinnable, he may have just scared any potential additional witnesses/victims back into hiding. Not saying it's a good thing, but it's great legal maneuvering.
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And dead @ you not realizing how complex an abuser can be as if calling her names and then sexually abusing her in the same moment is out of character for an abuser. You have no clue what you're talking about and what's worse is that you're impressed by this "legal maneuvering."
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It's hard to have an opinion on the case without evidence either way. It's literally two people saying "You abused me" and "No I didn't you're a liar!"
I can understand why people are waiting for proof to take a stance. Both sides have questionable holes in their claims but it's up to Kesha (and or witnesses) to prove Dr. Luke is guilty, otherwise he's innocent. It's how law works. He already has the deposition which even if it was years ago, by LAW she said he was innocent.
Now she is saying he isn't. You can see why the burden is even more on Kesha now. She's in a ****** position and if she is telling the truth, he set her up hardcore from the beginning.
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Originally posted by Giliap
okay but I'm talking about what YOU believe. You're not on the jury are you?
We are not the jury. This forum, tmz and all other media outlets are made up of celebrity/music fans and all we can do is discuss what we think based off of what we read.
Even now, based off of what you just said I've concluded that Luke set her up to fail from the very beginning. Isn't it obvious? She's trapped and it's his fault. Questioning Kesha's character based off of this is reasonable but you can't just question hers... You have to question his too and I don't believe anyone in their right mind would think he's a good, honest person after analyzing how Kesha is trapped in this predicament.
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You're right. I'm neither judge nor jury, just spectator. But, as a spectator, my first question is who has the motive? Is Dr. Luke, a successful and well-known man worth millions of dollars who is relatively good looking, have more of a motive to roofie and rape Ke$ha while also calling her unattractive and "a fat refrigerator"? or does Ke$ha, a fallen musician who wants out of her binding contract with Dr. Luke, have more of a motive to lie so as to break her contract?
From before the evidence, I was slightly suspicious of the timing of the suit and severity of the accusations, and now after these new details have come up, I am even more suspicious. Of course, I will wait to judge, but in my mind, Ke$ha's side of the story simply doesn't add up, all things considered (that a man who calls her ugly would secretly drug her and rape her, when said man could arguably have his pick of women in Hollywood).
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Originally posted by jackcampbell1
She stated he ABUSED her which could fall under a number of things, including rape, sexually, emotionally abused, physically bused ect. You're point proves nothing, the only thing that matters now is time and when things occurred now.
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The summary of her suit, from TMZ, seemed to specify that he has consistently drugged and raped her since 18, and called her fat/ugly. Not sure because I haven't seen the document, but so far, there are too many gaping holes in Kesha's side.
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I still believe he abused Kesha. Kesha isn't stupid. If she didn't have solid evidence, she wouldn't be making these claims especially when she said something contradictory under oath.
Also literally half of the industry (INCLUDING MY FAVE) hates Dr. Luke.
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Originally posted by AHemsworth
And people are also trying to discredit the accused. What's the difference?
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The people who are all "innocent until proven guilty!" are the ones not being fair though. If that's your logic, stand by it and keep hush until a verdict is out. People trying to discredit the accused, Luke, aren't crying "innocent until proven guilty" though.
Obviously if I was on the jury I would abide by that logic but I'm not therefore I will come to my own conclusions.
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Originally posted by Vin
It's so hilarious how moronic people are in here. Kesha isn't going to jail for lying in court.
The worst case scenario is that she'll have to pay some insignificant fine.
The bottom line is that Kesha will get out of her contract with Dr. Luke, her rapist. And Dr. Luke will cover all court costs and will give Kesha a large settlement to end this case, or Kesha and Mark Geragos, Michael Jackson's lawyer, are filing a criminal case and things get very serious for Lukasz "this-will-be-funny, use-chicken-stickers" Gottwald. Jail time serious.
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Originally posted by Vin
Dr. Luke isn't innocent. We still don't know why Kesha was under oath in 2011. The most obvious answer is that Lukasz Sebastian Gottwald wanted one Kesha Rose Sebert to say, under oath, that he did not roofie her and that she did not have a sexual relationship with him to cover his tracks if ever the victim, Kesha Rose Sebert, decided to come forward with sexual assault allegations. Dr. Luke is controlling and has sociopathic tendencies. He knew exactly what he was doing by having Kesha testify in court. He wanted documentation and was thinking ahead, as is the case with most controlling sociopaths.
...Vin
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Originally posted by Jezang Looz
It's hard to have an opinion on the case without evidence either way. It's literally two people saying "You abused me" and "No I didn't you're a liar!"
I can understand why people are waiting for proof to take a stance. Both sides have questionable holes in their claims but it's up to Kesha (and or witnesses) to prove Dr. Luke is guilty, otherwise he's innocent. It's how law works. He already has the deposition which even if it was years ago, by LAW she said he was innocent.
Now she is saying he isn't. You can see why the burden is even more on Kesha now. She's in a ****** position and if she is telling the truth, he set her up hardcore from the beginning.
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Why was she being depo'd back in 2011? Like what motivated them to ask her questions like that?
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Originally posted by TikiMiss
You're right. I'm neither judge nor jury, just spectator. But, as a spectator, my first question is who has the motive? Is Dr. Luke, a successful and well-known man worth millions of dollars who is relatively good looking, have more of a motive to roofie and rape Ke$ha while also calling her unattractive and "a fat refrigerator"? or does Ke$ha, a fallen musician who wants out of her binding contract with Dr. Luke, have more of a motive to lie so as to break her contract?
From before the evidence, I was slightly suspicious of the timing of the suit and severity of the accusations, and now after these new details have come up, I am even more suspicious. Of course, I will wait to judge, but in my mind, Ke$ha's side of the story simply doesn't add up, all things considered (that a man who calls her ugly would secretly drug her and rape her, when said man could arguably have his pick of women in Hollywood).
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Originally posted by Giliap
And dead @ you not realizing how complex an abuser can be as if calling her names and then sexually abusing her in the same moment is out of character for an abuser. You have no clue what you're talking about and what's worse is that you're impressed by this "legal maneuvering."
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you're being so narrow minded.
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And if Keshas Lawyer was smart enough, he would say the question "Did Luke ever give you a roofie" is invalid because Kesha was given the roofie without knowledge or content so technically she had no idea she was roofied. BYE! CYA! TATA!
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Originally posted by Giselle
Why was she being depo'd back in 2011? Like what motivated them to ask her questions like that?
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Because he knew she would eventually come forward. Vin's post was EVERYTHING.
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Welp
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This could work against Luke. I mean why ask those questions three years ago?
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She really could use those other people to come forward. If they do I think the case is pretty much in her favor then.
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