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Discussion: Are You Pro Life or Pro Choice?
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Originally posted by Bea.
I said ages ago that everyone is entitled to an opinion, I just think it isn't right for anyone to dictate what a woman can or cannot do with her own body. Especially someone who is never going to touch the issue or understand it in full.
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I'm just saying females in general in this thread.
I see what people are saying when they say that its the woman's own body, but it's the child's body, too. Abortion causes a MUCH greater impact on the child's body, obviously, than it does for the woman's body. Idk, people might think this opinion is stupid, but I don't see much of the impact an abortion has on a female in comparison to the trauma and death it causes the child.
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Originally posted by B3NK3V1N
Pro-choice.
But, I think if a woman is thinking of doing it, sooner is so much better than later. Really late term abortions make me cringe sometimes.
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Other than in special cases doctors tend to not do it past 8 weeks.
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Originally posted by Bea.
Other than in special cases doctors tend to not do it past 8 weeks.
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Oh, well I hadn't known that! Thanks for the clarification.
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Oh. And the price for legal abortion shouldn't be too expensive, otherwise the underground abortion clinics will still be busy.
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Originally posted by JungleDisturbia
I'm just saying females in general in this thread.
I see what people are saying when they say that its the woman's own body, but it's the child's body, too. Abortion causes a MUCH greater impact on the child's body, obviously, than it does for the woman's body. Idk, people might think this opinion is stupid, but I don't see much of the impact an abortion has on a female in comparison to the trauma and death it causes the child.
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As i said earlier many times. Every situation is different. We don't know the ins and outs of the womans physical and mental health. We don't know about her personal life, the circumstances of the pregnancy.
A lot of pro-lifers are so busy caring about the fetus they forget about the woman. She should have more rights.
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Originally posted by Bea.
I can't at all these gay men who think they can tell a pregnant woman what they can and can't do without thinking about it or having the slightest clue what it would be like for that girl... And yes some of you may know about it through the experiences of a friend and you are ALL entitled to an opinion.
Respect to you all and your struggles. I would never act like I know about how hard it is to be a gay youth in America, nor would I tell you to be straight or be out and proud because every situation is different and it is completely up to YOU. Same here.
A debatable human life may be involved in this one too but it is no-ones business but the Mother and Father. No-one knows what is going on in their lives and their situation but them.
Pro-choice. Because every woman has the right to decide what happens to her body.
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I think the most vocal pro-lifers in this thread (from what I'd read up to this post) were a straight male and a bisexual(?) female.
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Originally posted by eli's_rhythm
I think the most vocal pro-lifers in this thread (from what I'd read up to this post) were a straight male and a bisexual(?) female.
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Vocal yes but many people said pro-life and left. I said earlier that they are equally entitled to an opinion as everyone is but as TheOnlyOne pointed out, it is a bit...well you can read those posts.
A woman should have say over what happens to her own body. That is that.
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Originally posted by supaspaz
Just something to think about: Especially with the current conservative attacks on sex education and Planned Parenthood, not every young person who is sexually active has the knowledge necessary to make responsible decisions or the resources necessary to stay safe. It's not fair to hold them entirely responsible for an accidental pregnancy when society has often played a large part in putting them in that situation.
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...so, they shouldn't be held responsible for their actions.
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Originally posted by Bea.
This is true but if you are in a promiscuous lifestyle or are having sex with anyone you are not in a relationship with and are therefore not in the position to bring another life into the world with you really should use the Pill and a condom. Even then it can **** up but still.
I am very much pro-choice but very much anti-stupid and for pro-activeness.
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I hate to go in or play devil's advocate here, but isn't you saying someone should use protection and how much really no different than one being Pro-Life? You are in essence telling someone else what they should do.
Do I think girls using abortions as a form a birth control is trashy, sad, and irresponsible? Yes, definitely. But I'm never going to say what someone else should do. If a simple **** wants to feel the dick inside her and doesn't like swallowing a pill every morning, that's on her in my eyes. Would I (if female) do it? No, but I'll never say what someone else should do with their own cooch.
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Originally posted by eli's_rhythm
I think the most vocal pro-lifers in this thread (from what I'd read up to this post) were a straight male and a bisexual(?) female.
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I'm gay, but my mother is straight, and so is my sister and Brother's wife...
Does my being gay mean... that I don't have contact with people who have been through pregnancies.. .
Idk i'm confused.
Eli this wasn't toward btw.. I was just making a point.
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Originally posted by TREMendo
I'm gay, but my mother is straight, and so is my sister and Brother's wife...
Does my being gay mean... that I don't have contact with people who have been through pregnancies.. .
Idk i'm confused.
Eli this wasn't toward btw.. I was just making a point.
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No, but I cannot see how any intelligent, sound-minded, reasonable gay man can possibly be Pro-Life.
A gay man saying a woman shouldn't be allowed to have an abortion is no different than a heterosexual saying gays shouldn't marry. We of all people should be the most sympathetic and understanding when it comes to civil rights and social issues like this.
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Originally posted by TheOnlyOne
I hate to go in or play devil's advocate here, but isn't you saying someone should use protection and how much really no different than one being Pro-Life? You are in essence telling someone else what they should do.
Do I think girls using abortions as a form a birth control is trashy, sad, and irresponsible? Yes, definitely. But I'm never going to say what someone else should do. If a simple **** wants to feel the dick inside her and doesn't like swallowing a pill every morning, that's on her in my eyes. Would I (if female) do it? No, but I'll never say what someone else should do with their own cooch.
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I think there is a difference between having a choice and being completely irresponsible. There is a line that people should try to stay behind. If you want to have sex all the time taking a pill is not hard. I have been on the pill for years because in my opinion abortion SHOULD be a last option, taking steps to prevent pregnancy is important. What I was saying was all suggestions as to ways around having to have an abortion, what people could or should do, I'm not giving instructions, people will do what they want.
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Originally posted by TheOnlyOne
No, but I cannot see how any intelligent, sound-minded, reasonable gay man can possibly be Pro-Life.
A gay man saying a woman shouldn't be allowed to have an abortion is no different than a heterosexual saying gays shouldn't marry. We of all people should be the most sympathetic and understanding when it comes to civil rights and social issues like this.
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I think you missed my point where it isn't the governments job to govern a body but it is their job to protect life and save lives.
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Originally posted by Mélina
And to the people saying Adoption is bad,...
It beats being six feet under. At least you have a chance.
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You can't be dead if you were never conscious.
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Originally posted by Bea.
I think there is a difference between having a choice and being completely irresponsible. There is a line that people should try to stay behind. If you want to have sex all the time taking a pill is not hard. I have been on the pill for years because in my opinion abortion SHOULD be a last option, taking steps to prevent pregnancy is important.
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Lets get married!
... i'm the one with the bow-tie
Muaaaah!
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Originally posted by Bea.
As i said earlier many times. Every situation is different. We don't know the ins and outs of the womans physical and mental health. We don't know about her personal life, the circumstances of the pregnancy.
A lot of pro-lifers are so busy caring about the fetus they forget about the woman. She should have more rights.
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This is where I completely agree. I am more "Pro-Life" when it comes to ignorant sex, if that makes sense. If there is a legitimate reason, and not just "Oh, next time we should be more careful", then I'm all for the choice. I just think this type of situation is more common than mental health, rape, etc, so I just label myself as "Pro-Life".
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Originally posted by Mani
Well, I'm not going to consider it a stupid rule because it was obviously a reason he doesn't agree with it. He is after all our creator, but I just can't find it in my heart to hate someone for who they are.. I'm bi-sexual myself so I kind of understand. As long as they are a follower in Christ, they are accepted by him anyways
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Wait so people who follow different religions aren't accepted by God now
Jesus was Jewish, you know.
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Member Since: 6/16/2010
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Originally posted by JungleDisturbia
This is where I completely agree. I am more "Pro-Life" when it comes to ignorant sex, if that makes sense. If there is a legitimate reason, and not just "Oh, next time we should be more careful", then I'm all for the choice. I just think this type of situation is more common than mental health, rape, etc, so I just label myself as "Pro-Life".
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This is almost my opinion hence my original post explaining that I am pro-choice except for with complete idiots and that it is nor for me personally.
I just believe there are circumstances that we may or may not know and it is no-ones right to judge. A woman should be in control of her own body. I won't let anyone tell me what can and can't grow inside me. If I want a baby, I'll have one. If I don't I'll use contraception because I'm not a skank.
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Member Since: 9/25/2001
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Three things:
Men shouldn't really get to decide.
But, I'm mostly pro-choice. It's up to the woman.
However, I'm against pro-choice when it is used irresponsibly or as birth control.
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