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ATRL: Would Aaliyah have ever flopped?
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Originally posted by Wick
Aaliyah, now that I've just googled her, was never a superstar, or even one in the making.
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Originally posted by Boomer
For sure. Every young R&B chick that came in the game (solo) in the 90's has a flop album. What would've made Aaliyah different? She was neither the best dancer (Mya) or singer (Brandy or Monica depending on who you ask) of the crop of teenage R&B girls that debuted around the same time. Nothing special separated her from these other chicks...except her music, which has more to do with Timbaland than her.
Whether she would've had a successful film career can also be debated. I don't think she was that great of an actor. Not that it matters. Plenty of terrible actors have successful careers.
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Originally posted by ****y On Venus
She would have flopped and been GROSSLY overshadowed by the Beyonce storm, just like every other female artist from her era.
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Originally posted by IDRAG4MJ
aaliyah actually was big but lets not kid ourselves never as big as brandy !!!
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Originally posted by Lately 1814
"Brandy was huge in the 90's, can't knock that, but to be realistic, Aaliyah and Monica were on the same level. About even."
Please.
KII @ you clinging on to that one era as leverage when Brandy and Monica mopped the floor with her for 6 years straight.
Who said she was?
Aaliyah's albums weren't selling millions. In the 90s she was struggling to surpass platinum, hence why it took her debut 7 years to go 2x platinum and that was AFTER she died and her sales increased. No one is saying that she was flopping. My point is that Brandy and Monica were more popular than her based on the charts and the sales. That's fact, and don't try to refute the facts as they are just that, facts.
I know the difference between the two sweetheart. Understand something, shipping albums = demand = public is buying your albums. Aaliyah's albums stopped being certified after a certain period of time because the demand wasn't there. Basic supply and demand, one of the fundamental principles of Capitalism. Monica's albums were still being shipped because retailers felt they could make a profit from the albums. Aaliyah never came because they didn't SEND for her hun. So she stayed HOME. And Monica's albums are certified just right when you factor in the sales from BMG Music Club and Columbia House. There's no over shipped albums for her.
LOL @ trying to rule out the comparison. R&B was pop in the 90s, and was the biggest selling genre for a quite some time. And my point still stands, labels did not put her singles on sale because they wanted the album to sell. Consumers, at that point, are forced to buy the album. It did not work because people STILL did not buy her albums. KII @ that reach for diamond. Girl let's stay on the ground.
Sweetie, Aaliyah only went multi platinum ONCE before she died. There is a reason for that.
Beyonce's voice was better than Aaliyah's at 20, and ANY age. Beyonce's lower range is more resonant than Aaliyah's N-T-WAY.
Don't be silly child. An album that stays on the charts for 188 weeks doesn't just go 2x platinum no matter WHAT the sales climate is, esp in 2001 when CD sales were still high.
http://www.billboard.com/#/album/aaliyah/aaliyah/484174
There's two BB200 positions on there under "Aaliyah" for a reason. Two of her albums were combined and that's how they got 188 charting weeks. Girl FOH thinking she stayed on the charts for 188 with no hit single to carry the album on the charts. Miss me much with the foolery.
LOL @ her family saying they didn't want the label to profit off her death. Business is business, and not one person in her family had a binding contract with Aaliyah's music to tell the company what to do with their product. The label owns Aaliyah's music and they can do what they want with it.
No.
Because NOBODY was checking for her. Even with her last album when she was alive, "...Resolution" stalled at #59 on the Hot 100 and only managed to get to #15 on the R&B chart. Then even after she died, "Rock The Boat" only managed to get to #2 on the R&B and stalled at #14 on the Hot 100.
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Originally posted by Lately 1814
Monica sold more albums than her in the 90s. That's undeniable. Save the sales post death. They don't count.
KIII @ you still clinging on to that one era when Aaliyah did better than her peers despite them using her wig as a wash cloth in the 94-00.
Certifications are a better judge of because Aaliyah's sales after she died are counted in her Soundscan total. There is no telling how much sold per Soundscan 94-July 2001. I'm not here for you trying add in post death sales to give you leverage. By the end of the 90s, Brandy had shipped 9 million albums. Monica shipped 5 million albums. Aaliyah shipped 3 million albums. Even if the albums are over certified, it indicates who was more in demand than the others..
Monica outsold Aaliyah during the 90s regardles of how YOU manipulate it lol.
Irrelevant.
And you just proved my point! LOLOLOL....retailers ordered more Brandy and Monica albums because they were more profitable. Why did they order more? Because they were selling more. Why did they sell more? Because they were more popular than Aaliyah.
I listen to BOTH of them consistently, and Beyonce's voice is better. Her belting is better. Her control is better. Her modal range is better. Her transitions are better. Her resonance is each register is better. Her power is better. Her technique is better. Her tone is fuller. Her vocal agility is better. Beyonce's voice >>>>>> Aaliyah's and you will deal with it LOL
Once again still clinging on to that ONE era when Aaliyah did better despite Brandy and Monica doing better than her 6 years straight lol
So now we're jumping to movies now!? Blackground and Jive were certifying her albums AFTER she died, which means they were making money off of it. And please spare me the nonsense of the family making the label not sell her albums. Until I see some receipts for purchase, your point is moot.
Nobody did that. But face reality, Aaliyah would have flopped.
His album still debuted at #3 and sold 3 million worldwide. KII @ "Michael" going platinum. KII @ "This Is It" going platinum. How much did "I Care 4 U" do?
http://www.walmart.com/search/search...h_constraint=0
http://www.target.com/s?searchTerm=A...all+categories
Thanks to her dying. Such a huge artist as you claim, yet her highest Soundscan total is 2 million.
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Originally posted by Beatz
Sadly she would be where Brandy, Monica and all those big girls from the mid 90's are now, mainstream top 40 music obviously... (Maybe her acting career would kept her in the spotlight).
You're not going to have hits forever.
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yess
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Originally posted by Lasers
Why do you keep jumping on the "death" sales? One In a Million sold 2 million while ALIVE, And AANBAn sold 1 million while ALIVE. That equals 3 million. Monica's first sold 1 million, and her second sold 2 million, JUST like Aaliyah. making them equal. Where are the "Monica sold more albums" tea? She may have SHIPPED more albums, but at the end of the day SOLD albums matter more than UNSOLD SHIPPED albums that are left sitting on the shelf.
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Girl, SHUT UP. Monica shipped more albums in the 90s than Aaliyah because her albums were selling more. Deal with that.
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You just proved my point. I dragged you by your scalp and left you bald with FACTS and now you coming with that weak ****? Stand in your stilettos and take your loss like a woman.
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Cosigning yourself doesn't make a false statement true.
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Certifications, will never be, as important as actual album sales. Soundscan>> RIAA. But of course you won't admit that. And where is this "death" sales that you are speaking of? What is this "death" sales that you keep bringing up? Aaliyah sold 3 million while ALIVE. and if you really want EGG on that face, click this.
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Both of them are reliable. Soundscan doesn't count music clubs. Soundscan isn't even accurate as they don't count ALL retailers.
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This article was written in 2001 BEFORE she died:
"The Detroit native made her first mark on the music scene back in 1994 with her debut, "Age Ain't Nothing But a Number." Since then, "Age" and 1996's "One in a Million" have sold more than 3 million copies, according to SoundScan. "
http://www.billboard.com/news#/news/...c-963309.story
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Aaliyah:
Age Ain't Nothin But a Number - 2,619,829
One in a Million - 1,955,172
Aaliyah - 2,619,829
I Care 4 U - 1,737,789
Where's 3 million sis?
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So, this proves that With two albums, Aaliyah has sold 3 million while ALIVE.
Now, where was I?
They ordered more albums, but they still didn't sell. WHo cares?
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Don't care about voice. Irrelavant. Aaliyah>>Bey to me. and you can keep wasting your time with lies and more biased slop.
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Deal with the facts.
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Me clinging on to that "one era" doesn't change the fact that she was selling better than them and you were wrong once again. Maybe you should follow suit and cling on to some actual facts?
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She sold better than them ONE time.
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Which is exactly why they had Aaliyah, OIAM, and IC4U pulled of shelves, silly goose. The only album that's still purchasable in it's original format is AANBAN. And I posted the reciepts, Static's ,manager, which I've talked to on various occasions, even said this. I even gave you his twitter that you can ask him YOURSELF. Last year he used to do video chats with Aaliyah fans on twitter and he gave us the tea on all that ****. Don't belive me? ASK HIM.
http://twitter.com/#!/staticmajor502
Rashad, even doesn't deal with Aaliyah's record label owner (their own uncle) because he was milking Aaliyah's death for every penny it was worth. Diane (Aaliyah's mom) doesn't want Aaliyah to be profitied. She didn't even want the video to "RTB" to come out but Aaliyah's father talked her out of it.
So, if you don't believe this, simply Hit up Neeze on twitter and watch him tell you and you'll look like a fool once more.
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Family has no bearing on what a record label can do with products they own. Her albums are still on the shelves. They're still being sold on line. You can buy them just about everywhere. So miss me much with that bull.
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THe links you provided proves my point, Goose. Why is more than half of her discography is missing? And not that damn re-release that's not even made in AMERICA (import). Where's the ORIGINAL versions of OIAM, Aaliyah, and I Care 4 U? why arent they purchaseable? huh? did they dissapear in thin air? did swiper steal all the copies and didn't give them back? Huh?
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http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_no...aliyah&x=0&y=0
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She still sold millions alive, sweets. I posted the soundscan reciepts while ALIVE. she sold 3 million=MULTI PLATINUM star= An artist that sold MILLIONS. Good day.
and thats a WRAP!
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She didn't sell more than Brandy.
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There is absolutely no way for us to predict this.
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Originally posted by GaGaFan
There is absolutely no way for us to predict this.
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The truest tea!
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This article was written in 2001 BEFORE she died:
"The Detroit native made her first mark on the music scene back in 1994 with her debut, "Age Ain't Nothing But a Number." Since then, "Age" and 1996's "One in a Million" have sold more than 3 million copies, according to SoundScan. "
http://www.billboard.com/news#/news/...c-963309.story
and that's the bottom line. So Kisuke and Late can steam.
Lol @ Late wanting to dispute facts from SOUNDSCAN. You lost.
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Aaliyah:
Age Ain't Nothin But a Number - 2,619,829
One in a Million - 1,955,172
Aaliyah - 2,619,829
I Care 4 U - 1,737,789
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Member Since: 6/1/2010
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Why the hell is this thread still opened?
Any other thread debating stuff and going in circles would have been closed by now.
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Member Since: 4/30/2009
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This article was written in 2001 BEFORE she died:
"The Detroit native made her first mark on the music scene back in 1994 with her debut, "Age Ain't Nothing But a Number." Since then, "Age" and 1996's "One in a Million" have sold more than 3 million copies, according to SoundScan. "
http://www.billboard.com/news#/news/...c-963309.story
Where does this leave Late and her RIAA reciepts?
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Member Since: 4/30/2009
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Originally posted by Lately 1814
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the ki is that you didn't post proof of these numbers.
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Aaliyah:
Age Ain't Nothin But a Number - 2,619,829
One in a Million - 1,955,172
Aaliyah - 2,619,829
I Care 4 U - 1,737,789
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Member Since: 4/30/2009
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Originally posted by Lasers
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I posted my reciepts. Where's LATES?
This article was written in 2001 BEFORE she died:
"The Detroit native made her first mark on the music scene back in 1994 with her debut, "Age Ain't Nothing But a Number." Since then, "Age" and 1996's "One in a Million" have sold more than 3 million copies, according to SoundScan. "
http://www.billboard.com/news#/news/...c-963309.story
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One in a Million (1996)
USA: 2.500.000-3.000.000 (2xPlatinum) | soundscan + very strong club sales, sold well after her death.
Canada: 50.000-60.000 (Gold)
Europe: 500.000 (shipped), boost in sales after her death
Japan: ???
Australia: ???
Worldwide: 4.000.000 (ship
http://www.ukmix.org/forums/viewtopi...833166#1833166
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All of those estimated figures tie in just nicely with her 8.1 million Soundscan total.
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Originally posted by Lately 1814
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When did I EVER say they sold 3 million each?
The point was that, She sold 3 million albums while ALIVE, and that means she sold MILLIONS.
And even if I take away AANBAN, OIAM was STILL multi platinum and that means she sold millions.
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Originally posted by Lately 1814
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Oh the irony
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Originally posted by Lasers
When did I EVER say they sold 3 million each?
The point was that, She sold 3 million albums while ALIVE, and that means she sold MILLIONS.
And even if I take away AANBAN, OIAM was STILL multi platinum and that means she sold millions.
Oh the irony
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And that's STILL less than what Monica and Brandy had sold, thus proving my point that Aaliyah was less popular than Brandy and Monica in the 90s.
Poor gal, keep up.
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Member Since: 4/30/2009
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Originally posted by Lately 1814
And that's STILL less than what Monica and Brandy had sold, thus proving my point that Aaliyah was less popular than Brandy and Monica in the 90s.
Poor gal, keep up.
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Fixed.
And post proof that proves otherwise. From SOUNDSCAN. Not from RIAA, flop music sites, etc. You lost.
You need to keep up. I'm already at the finish line with my flag waving and Aaliyah's plaques in my hand.
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Who would have thought an Aaliyah/Brandy/Monica stan war thread would ever emerge on atrl in these years
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I think Aaliyah would have been more like Janet. She was better, IMO.
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