I agree that some of her songs are slightly unique, like Bloody Mary and i could agree that some of her lyrics are slightly avan-garde for the mainstream pop. But nothing more than that.
Now this is unique.
Unless I'm missing something, this is one track she's produced that doesn't relate to anything I've heard before
She plays two characters; One minute she's a timid woman expressing her issues, past problems and lack of self-esteem.
The next she's tooting her own horn and making arrogant remarks about her music/work-ethic.
I just don't understand how someone can think of Whitney ****ing Houston when singing a pop record (due to insecurities), praises Madonna, Michael Jackson etc for infuencing her album and then say, my music is innovative.
How can it be ahead of it's time if it were already there?
Well, this "unimportant" Bey stan will tell you that Beyonce was wearing genuine avant garde clothing when Gaga was wearing knock-offs.
So influence is limited to wearing the same fashion? Gurl bye.
Bey agreed to work with Gaga in Telephone/Video Phone, the influence is as simple as that. Bey wouldn't have worked with her if she doesn't admire her, and vice versa.
I CAN'T at some people saying "Gaga didn't have an influence on XXX." Gaga is the biggest girl in the business, she unfounded them whether you know it or not. It could be as obvious as a shift in music direction or the necessity to step up her game.
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People in this thread are totally hung up on whether she means avant-garde music or avant-garde fashion.
The point is, she's really the first mainstream artist of my generation to totally and completely marry the two. Her music is just a vehicle for the fashion, and her fashion is just to get people to listen to her music.
And her point is, with Born This Way, for the first time the music MATCHES the image. And with Born This Way, for the first time, the music and image match the MESSAGE, which is total and complete self-acceptance.
The fact that she's avant-garde, while still being totally and utterly mainstream, is what makes her so interesting to me. She puts thought into her art, so you feel privileged while listening to it, but at the same time, you and millions of other people are all listening to the same song.
Those kinds of contradictions are what make me love her. She's arrogant, yet totally insecure. A breath of fresh air in the industry, yet she wears her influences on her sleeve. She's pushing boundaries, yet utterly mainstream.
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And I'm sorry but anyone who thinks her music is generic and sounds like everything else on the radio, hasn't given Bloody Mary or Heavy Metal Lover or Government Hooker or Electric Chapel a fair shot. They sound like NOTHING else that's popular right now, and that's what she means when she says for the first time her music is as avant garde as her image.
She plays two characters; One minute she's a timid woman expressing her issues, past problems and lack of self-esteem.
The next she's tooting her own horn and making arrogant remarks about her music/work-ethic.
I just don't understand how someone can think of Whitney ****ing Houston when singing a pop record (due to insecurities), praises Madonna, Michael Jackson etc for infuencing her album and then say, my music is innovative.
How can it be ahead of it's time if it were already there?
She is/was a very insecure person who is still probably trying to find herself. But she doesn't really try to appear innocent in any way.
She is influenced by many artists but she adds a new twist on the tracks which is a certain kind of innovation. She doesn't say that she is inventing a new genre or whatever but she is saying that she is creating something new with influence from the old.
I'm sorry. Doesn't she use Religion as metaphors in a lot of her songs now? Bloody Mary, Black Jesus + Amen Fashion, Judas, etc. I think she uses the metaphors with religion very well, but she shouldn't be talking **** like this. It makes me not like her. I will always love her music, but I prefer the less cocky, humbly-honest, Gaga.
That is what this thread is about, but people have strayed slightly off topic and I was just following that. I'm not even trying to start anything, people are just too damn sensitive here.