[wolfaire]

Her impact is not on merely a song or two. It's on her persona; Bey as a singer, as a performer. Her impact is bigger as a whole

[swissman]

Originally posted by Six

Once again, her having hits doesn't mean she actually changed anything in the industry. It solely means people liked those songs and liked her. Are you really that naive to think that the main reason a song smashes is due to the song itself? Do you know in what world we live in, right? You do know that our tastes (including music) are to a significant extent very influenced by marketing strategies? If you consider particularly pop girl's audience who consist of tweens, teens and children, they're even more susceptible to these approaches.
Beyonce is a brand, a very succesful one, there's no denial possible. People LOVE her and whorship her. But Beyonce the musician? That brand doesn't sell and she's not marketed that way for a reason. Yes, her album is selling like CRAZY but it's not because of her music.

But I didn't mention hits. I mentioned Crazy in Love being on Critic's Decade-End lists which primarily are NOT composed of hits but songs they find to be the best of the decade. This supports the idea that Beyonce's music does have impact and is not just reliant on her as a brand. Otherwise, most of these lists would have included popstars when they generally didn't.

So that invalidates the rest of your post really, although it is true what you are saying about how hits become hits.

[Drais.]

Originally posted by wolfaire

Her impact is not on merely a song or two. It's on her persona; Bey as a singer, as a performer. Her impact is bigger as a whole

Perfectly put

[swissman]

Originally posted by BajanBeauty

Acts like Brick and Lace, Nina Sky, and as you said Lumidee all incorporated island sounds into their music. Im sorry I just can't make the connection between Bey and dancehall enough to give her credit for its popularity especially not when artists like Shaggy, Elephant Man, Kevin Lyttle, Ruppe, Vybz Kartel, Lady Saw, Alaine, Alison Hinds have been doing it before her and achieved mainstream success.

Whew I feel like this thread is going so off topic

Firstly, I admitted it was a shaky claim.

Secondly, Brick and Lace debuted in 2007, that's 4 years after Baby Boy came out. Nina Sky debuted in 2004, a year after Baby Boy. Lumidee came out the same year (only a few months) before Dangerously in Love did. And as you know Rihanna debuted two years after Baby Boy.

What I was saying was that while dancehall was popular (you've provided a good list of examples) and got mainstream success, it was pretty non-existant for a female artist let alone a popstar (read: not a novelly-act) to do it. That being said, Baby Boy certainly was riding the wave of Sean Paul, and it was probably only a matter of time before dancehall became a thing for female popstars.

[Lipton]

Not at all. None is trying to give her sound, and most of her sounds are admittedly inspired and tributary of legendary black artists.

She's never created anything new or original to use as a reference points for others.

[swissman]

Originally posted by Lipton

Not at all. None is trying to give her sound, and most of her sounds are admittedly inspired and tributary of legendary black artists.

She's never created anything new or original to use as a reference points for others.

Very little of her Destiny's Child singles were tributary though. Unless you count a Stevie Nicks sample.

And songs like Countdown, Ring the Alarm, End of Time, Grown Woman, Irreplaceable, etc. have no clear sense of tribute.

[cats&fashion]

She has, but the pressed will continue saying no even though the impact is undeniable

[Navyman]

Originally posted by BnPac

So many Bey's threads.

Yes. Songs like Bug A Boo, Upgrade U, Interdependent Women popularize the singing-rapping vocal style. Not to mention all the Crazy In Love copy cats songs and Irreplaceable's copy cat songs. But is she Prince? Of course not.

U tried it!! She was not the 1st nor the last to do singing rapping style nor did she popularize it..

[Ascension]

Originally posted by Lipton

Not at all. None is trying to give her sound, and most of her sounds are admittedly inspired and tributary of legendary black artists.

She's never created anything new or original to use as a reference points for others.

Wait until Enya ends you with ha soothing nature sounds cover of Drunk in Love tho.

[swissman]

Originally posted by Navyman

U tried it!! She was not the 1st nor the last to do singing rapping style nor did she popularize it..

I guess you missed the countless receipts posted in this thread about it then?

Even if she wasn't the first how can you say she didn't popularize it?

[Being Human]

12 pages just for Queen B even her name enough for a big threads..

[Sombra]

No, she doesn't really change it up between albums, they're usually the same sound overall. I think thats why she fails to have an impact from her discography.

[Navyman]

Originally posted by QueenBeé

Then why didn't the recording artists reject the songs because they sounded like CIL & Irreplaceable? Exactly. They were so impactful that the artists thought their song would've done the same, which failed miserably.

Lmao please Dont be that naive sweetie, u do know those artist have people handling them and they are at no status to reject it, fact is a lot of them were probably forced to release this sound. The sound itself was not groundbreaking that what the op is asking.

[Navyman]

Originally posted by swissman

how can you say she didn't popularize it?

Easy like this....she didn't popularize it.

[Six]

The stans are so pressed and turn everything into a Beyonce praising fest. I just can't anymore #ThePowerOfTheHiveIsRealAndCannotPossiblyBeOvertak en

[Ascension]

Originally posted by swissman

I guess you missed the countless receipts posted in this thread about it then?

Even if she wasn't the first how can you say she didn't popularize it?

If you ask them to articulate a reason why or how she didn't after giving receipt after receipt and respected publications noting that vocal style as one of her greatest contributions, you'll be greeted with *crickets* and "but, she wasn't the first!!!111!!1"; ask them to expound on WHO and you'll be greeted with ish like "Da Brat...En Vogue...Tone Loc...Biggie..Tupac..Shabba..." -- I'm so done. Like, K.

[Blue Skies]

A couple of songs have, but other than that...no.

[Ascension]

Originally posted by Harmonic Dreamer

GIRL.
You came in here twirling, thinking you knew what you were talking about.
You can't even discern between rapping, singing, and a blend of both.
All three of these are very different.
One is rhythmic and syncopated, jarring and it's backbone is centered in speech.
The next is very melodic and legato structured, having to do with the way the vocal folds move and vibrate with one another.

B took both of those elements, a rhythmic backbone and a melodic line and combined the two together to create rap-singing.

I'm not understanding what you don't get here.

All of this.

[swissman]

Originally posted by Luke.

No, she doesn't really change it up between albums, they're usually the same sound overall. I think thats why she fails to have an impact from her discography.

Riiiiight.

Because Frank Sinatra, Bing Crosby, Barbra Streisand, Ella Fitzgerald, Prince, Michael Jackson, Stevie Wonder, Billie Holliday, Peggy Lee, James Taylor, Carole King, Stevie Nicks, Aretha Franklin, James Brown, Elvis, Sam Cooke, Whitney Houston ... (shall I keep going) all have impacted the music industry because they "change it up between albums."

[mikeyace16]

Yes. Single Ladies